Dog Search 5A

[Innominate]

I was looking at the dog videos again, and I noticed that the search of the master bedroom may have been flawed.

The bed is not pushed over as it was on the night of the 3rd.

Keela goes over every square inch except the area under the bed, which was exposed on that night.

I'm not suggesting that anything would have been found, but it does seem to indicate a lack of attention to detail, especially as there was an alert from Eddie in that room.

Disclaimer: My own opinion, at present, is that it is not possible to determine what happened on that night, from the publicly available evidence, and that there are a number of plausible theories, including burglary gone wrong.

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[sadie]

I was looking at the dog videos again, and I noticed that the search of the master bedroom may have been flawed.

The bed is not pushed over as it was on the night of the 3rd.

Keela goes over every square inch except the area under the bed, which was exposed on that night.

I'm not suggesting that anything would have been found, but it does seem to indicate a lack of attention to detail, especially as there was an alert from Eddie in that room.

Disclaimer: My own opinion, at present, is that it is not possible to determine what happened on that night, from the publicly available evidence, and that there are a number of plausible theories, including burglary gone wrong.

Interesting observation.  Well spotted Innominate ... and welcome

[misty]

I was looking at the dog videos again, and I noticed that the search of the master bedroom may have been flawed.

The bed is not pushed over as it was on the night of the 3rd.

Keela goes over every square inch except the area under the bed, which was exposed on that night.

I'm not suggesting that anything would have been found, but it does seem to indicate a lack of attention to detail, especially as there was an alert from Eddie in that room.

Disclaimer: My own opinion, at present, is that it is not possible to determine what happened on that night, from the publicly available evidence, and that there are a number of plausible theories, including burglary gone wrong.

That's a good point.

The bedding probably also wouldn't have been the same - linen taken to the laundry & then used in other apartments & maybe the duvets + pillows were also laundered between May & August.

[sadie]

So two flaws spotted by two observant members.  Neither had we noticed before.  Well done both of you.

I wonder if there are any more?   

[Admin]

They took far too long to bring in specialist dogs in my view.

[John]

I was looking at the dog videos again, and I noticed that the search of the master bedroom may have been flawed.

The bed is not pushed over as it was on the night of the 3rd.

Keela goes over every square inch except the area under the bed, which was exposed on that night.

I'm not suggesting that anything would have been found, but it does seem to indicate a lack of attention to detail, especially as there was an alert from Eddie in that room.

Disclaimer: My own opinion, at present, is that it is not possible to determine what happened on that night, from the publicly available evidence, and that there are a number of plausible theories, including burglary gone wrong.

Well spotted Innominate and welcome to the forum.   

[pathfinder73]

They took far too long to bring in specialist dogs in my view.

Not long compared to this case 

Oct. 11, 1976: Jeanette Zapata vanishes.

Jan. 12, 2005: Madison police use cadaver dogs to check the basement of Zapata's former home on Indian Trace in Madison. Other cadaver dog searches of that property and other locations take place throughout 2005 and into 2006. The dogs alert to the scent of human remains, but none are found.

April 7-14, 2005: Zapata comes to Wisconsin from his home in Henderson, Nev., cleans out a storage locker and visits the Juneau County Landfill near Mauston.

Aug. 28, 2006: Zapata is charged with first-degree murder in Dane County and is arrested in Nevada.

Feb. 5, 2008: Zapata pleads guilty to homicide by reckless conduct and is sentenced to five years in prison.

http://host.madison.com/news/zapata-admits-killing-wife-gets-years-the-former-madison-man/article_3f7a7f4f-cb83-5869-b9c6-23532bc49a4e.html

How I chuckle everytime I read this article

The couple, from Rothley, Leics, are already preparing their defence in case they are charged with their daughter's death.

Their UK lawyers consulted the legal team of Eugene Zapata, 68, who is accused of murdering his estranged wife Jeanette in 1976.

He was charged with murder last year after dogs indicated that they sniffed human remains in the basement of the former family home in Madison, Wisconsin.

But a judge ruled last month that the evidence was no more reliable than "the flip of a coin" and could not be put before a jury.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1563381/Madeleine-McCanns-parents-look-to-US-sniffer-dog-case.html

[Robittybob1]

They took far too long to bring in specialist dogs in my view.

The theme in my head today is that interview with Sandra  Felgueiras and the McCanns. "Sandra Felgueiras 'Ask the dogs' Interview London November 2009" 
Were the English dogs better than the Portuguese cadaver dogs?  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4EIxwtAJF8

In there are vital clues as to what is going on.  Gerry is not being silly when he says "Ask the dogs".  I now think he is meaning "ask the PJ not us".
That question about the "pack of silence" throws Kate but Gerry seems to answer it in another way.
There is no simple solution to this case IMO.

[Robittybob1]

to go straight to that infamous question https://youtu.be/E4EIxwtAJF8?t=232

[misty]

Going back to the OP, I think we can all agree that the dogs' examination of the parents' bedroom was incomplete because the beds were not positioned as they had been on 3/5/07. This means that crucial forensics may have been missed, verifying Eddie's alert near the wardrobe.

[stephen25000]

Going back to the OP, I think we can all agree that the dogs' examination of the parents' bedroom was incomplete because the beds were not positioned as they had been on 3/5/07. This means that crucial forensics may have been missed, verifying Eddie's alert near the wardrobe.

Or nothing was missed at all.....................

[misty]

Or nothing was missed at all.....................

We have been provided with visual proof that not all the exposed flooring seen in the crime scene photos was examined by the blood dog after an alert by the cadaver dog in an area beside the wardrobe. So something was missed, if only for elimination purposes.
We also know that at least some of the bedding in 5a on 3/5 was not examined by the dogs.
IMO.

[stephen25000]

We have been provided with visual proof that not all the exposed flooring seen in the crime scene photos was examined by the blood dog after an alert by the cadaver dog in an area beside the wardrobe. So something was missed, if only for elimination purposes.
We also know that at least some of the bedding in 5a on 3/5 was not examined by the dogs.
IMO.

In your own terms, if samples weren't removed from all areas, then accidental death cannot be ruled out.

[Mr Gray]

In your own terms, if samples weren't removed from all areas, then accidental death cannot be ruled out.

accidental death has been ruled out as the parents are not suspects

[Alice Purjorick]

We have been provided with visual proof that not all the exposed flooring seen in the crime scene photos was examined by the blood dog after an alert by the cadaver dog in an area beside the wardrobe. So something was missed, if only for elimination purposes.
We also know that at least some of the bedding in 5a on 3/5 was not examined by the dogs.
IMO.

Have we?
How do you know that any video footage is complete?