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« Reply #690 on: September 07, 2017, 11:32:45 AM »
It is a small point, but overseas coverage of this case was actually astonishingly limited. It has never been reported here. Obviously it received great attention in the Dutch media, but ONLY after the arrest of Vincent Tabak. This always makes me wonder how he and Tanja managed to see the arrest of the landlord on TV at the holiday centre where they were staying.


I agree leonora..... It was poetic license on my part...

They made out that this case had coverage everywhere, when In reality i do not believe it did, and I too have often wondered whether it was possible for Dr Vincent Tabak and Tanja Morson to actually see the coverage of the arrest of the Landlord in Holland....

I don't believe they did...  I think it was all a ruse....


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« Reply #691 on: September 07, 2017, 12:13:13 PM »
I would guess that the incident vehicle was there to encourage neighbours who might know something to talk to the police . 

However, I don't know why it was gone by 30th December. Perhaps they thought they had solved the case!

You're right mrswah, although the police were doing door to door/flat to flat enquiries, they had that vehicle there for people, who perhaps didn't want to talk in front of a partner, or who thought that they might have heard or seen something.

It actually used to vanish for a few hours and then reappear on quite a few days. We all assumed that they were off for lunch or something non-important.

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Re: The Defence Will State Their Case Or I forgot to mention my client.
« Reply #692 on: September 07, 2017, 12:18:15 PM »

I agree leonora..... It was poetic license on my part...

They made out that this case had coverage everywhere, when In reality i do not believe it did, and I too have often wondered whether it was possible for Dr Vincent Tabak and Tanja Morson to actually see the coverage of the arrest of the Landlord in Holland....

I don't believe they did...  I think it was all a ruse....

I doubt they saw it on TV---but they might have seen it on their laptop.

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« Reply #693 on: September 07, 2017, 01:15:03 PM »
I doubt they saw it on TV---but they might have seen it on their laptop.

Which answers Nine's question ...... did they take their laptop to the Netherlands.

Sorry I can't remember which post it was, but Nine did ask that.

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« Reply #694 on: September 07, 2017, 02:02:51 PM »
Which answers Nine's question ...... did they take their laptop to the Netherlands.

Sorry I can't remember which post it was, but Nine did ask that.

I don't know, but I would speculate that they did take at least one laptop, since they would have wanted to follow what was happening re the disappearance of their next door neighbour, among other things (and no, I'm not suggesting that VT would have wanted to watch porn!!).  Since they took their car over to Holland, it would have been easy enough to take a laptop.

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« Reply #695 on: September 07, 2017, 02:03:45 PM »
You're right mrswah, although the police were doing door to door/flat to flat enquiries, they had that vehicle there for people, who perhaps didn't want to talk in front of a partner, or who thought that they might have heard or seen something.

It actually used to vanish for a few hours and then reappear on quite a few days. We all assumed that they were off for lunch or something non-important.

If you saw this vehicle keep moving Nina... Did you see them put up the scaffolding.... And when was it???


And it is important that they kept moving that vehicle....(IMO)...   Was it there for show ???

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« Reply #696 on: September 07, 2017, 02:28:35 PM »
If you saw this vehicle keep moving Nina... Did you see them put up the scaffolding.... And when was it???


And it is important that they kept moving that vehicle....(IMO)...   Was it there for show ???


Well yes I do remember them putting scaffolding up, but I was just walking by and didn't take any notice of it. Heck it was seven years ago.

I don't honestly think that vehicle was for show. I did see two people go into it. Admittedly one was a slightly dotty person who had a plate of cakes, for the nice men.

It didn't move every day, as far as I know, bearing in mind I wasn't out every day in that weather.  Just every so often myself and a friend would notice it had gone. And upon returning later we would notice it was back.

Sorry I can't be of more help.

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« Reply #697 on: September 07, 2017, 02:37:23 PM »
We were not allowed on that side of the road, so looking down to see anything was a no no.

Also my friend said she saw three people and named names go into that vehicle. So some people did have something to say.



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« Reply #698 on: September 07, 2017, 04:04:54 PM »
We were not allowed on that side of the road, so looking down to see anything was a no no.

Also my friend said she saw three people and named names go into that vehicle. So some people did have something to say.



Were these people The people who happened to make comments to the paper???

Or where they maybe the people who CJ saw at the gate ???


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« Reply #699 on: September 09, 2017, 06:50:50 AM »
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« Reply #700 on: September 09, 2017, 11:47:17 AM »


Were these people The people who happened to make comments to the paper???

Or where they maybe the people who CJ saw at the gate ???



I don't know which comments you are referring to, Nine.... but I do know that none of the people I know talked to the press, or so they say.

What I can tell you is that we learnt from the very beginning that a "No Comment" can mean to some of the media "We know something but are not talking to you".

Have you ever had to run the gauntlet of the press? They are aggressive, rude and downright single minded when it comes to the `story'..... and it's all quite awful.

You may also be interested in that right from the beginning, before Chris Jefferies was arrested the media were asking questions, not about Joanna, but Chris Jefferies. Just because he `looked different' from most people ..... therefore he must be an abductor or murderer.

People seen at the gate: I've never got a grip on this one. Up until mrswah started this, I'd always thought that it was a myth. Is it from Chris Jefferies' second statement which has not been leaked? Anyway again I don't know anything about this aspect.

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Re: The Defence Will State Their Case
« Reply #701 on: September 09, 2017, 01:46:43 PM »
I don't know which comments you are referring to, Nine.... but I do know that none of the people I know talked to the press, or so they say.

What I can tell you is that we learnt from the very beginning that a "No Comment" can mean to some of the media "We know something but are not talking to you".

Have you ever had to run the gauntlet of the press? They are aggressive, rude and downright single minded when it comes to the `story'..... and it's all quite awful.

You may also be interested in that right from the beginning, before Chris Jefferies was arrested the media were asking questions, not about Joanna, but Chris Jefferies. Just because he `looked different' from most people ..... therefore he must be an abductor or murderer.

People seen at the gate: I've never got a grip on this one. Up until mrswah started this, I'd always thought that it was a myth. Is it from Chris Jefferies' second statement which has not been leaked? Anyway again I don't know anything about this aspect.

Chris Jefferies said himself that he had seen or heard  people at the gate, while he was parking his car at around 9pm.Apparently he told the same to some of his neighbours.  This has been well documented.  He did not say who the people were, and, according to him, he didn't know. The media got hold of it, and this is why they were pestering him shortly before he was arrested.  He denied (to the media) that he had seen Joanna with two other people,  and said that what he had told the police was "much much vaguer than that."
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Re: The Defence Will State Their Case
« Reply #702 on: September 09, 2017, 03:25:43 PM »
Chris Jefferies said himself that he had seen or heard  people at the gate, while he was parking his car at around 9pm.Apparently he told the same to some of his neighbours.  This has been well documented.  He did not say who the people were, and, according to him, he didn't know. The media got hold of it, and this is why they were pestering him shortly before he was arrested.  He denied (to the media) that he had seen Joanna with two other people,  and said that what he had told the police was "much much vaguer than that."
Christopher Jefferies has never stated explicitly that the did not identify the people he saw. He implied it when he was doorstepped by journalists the day before his arrest, and made his much quoted remark about his sighting being "Very, very, very very, vague". He was angry, not least because he claimed that the press had a garbled version of what he had told the police.

You need to be clear that the landlord was deliberately set up by the police, and that both he and the police have always been economical with the truth. Both CJ and Chief Constable Colin Port testified to the Leveson Inquiry, and what they said was important.

Christopher Jefferies told Leveson that someone in the police had leaked parts of his 2nd witness statement to the press. Colin Port told Leveson that he knew of eight persons whom CJ had told about the persons he had seen on Joanna's front path, implying that the press could have got it from neighbour's gossip. Only the police, however, had a motive to "garble" the details of the landlord's sighting.

The leak took place during the late afternoon or evening of the day when DCI Phil Jones gave his first press conference. Therefore it can ONLY have come from the police, since the neighbours could have gossiped at any time. Christopher Jefferies was doorstepped the following morning, and by that time he was already aware of what the press was alleging he had seen.

The landlord was deliberately "groomed" to make him appear a suitable suspect. He was angry and he looked eccentric. The arrest of the landlord was certainly orchestrated so as to entrap Vincent Tabak, who fell for the bait because he and Tanja had heard the landlord's story from the horse's mouth, and it was a totally different story from the one the landlord admitted to when he was doorstepped. The young couple thought they were catching the landlord out incriminating himself. They could not know that CJ must have kept his other neighbours, who were still at home, abreast of what was going on, so they too did not at once reach for their telephones.

None of the "vilification" stories that the press published during CJ's arrest were attributed. The press would never have published these anonymously unless the ex-pupils, neighbours etc. had given their names to the journalist and the editor. Therefore these stories about CJ's eccentricities came from a trusted source - the police.
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Re: The Defence Will State Their Case
« Reply #703 on: September 09, 2017, 03:42:29 PM »
Christopher Jefferies has never stated explicitly that the did not identify the people he saw. He implied it when he was doorstepped by journalists the day before his arrest, and made his much quoted remark about his sighting being "Very, very, very very, vague". He was angry, not least because he claimed that the press had a garbled version of what he had told the police.

You need to be clear that the landlord was deliberately set up by the police, and that both he and the police have always been economical with the truth. Both CJ and Chief Constable Colin Port testified to the Leveson Inquiry, and what they said was important.

Christopher Jefferies told Leveson that someone in the police had leaked parts of his 2nd witness statement to the press. Colin Port told Leveson that he knew of eight persons whom CJ had told about the persons he had seen on Joanna's front path, implying that the press could have got it from neighbour's gossip. Only the police, however, had a motive to "garble" the details of the landlord's sighting.

The leak took place during the late afternoon or evening of the day when DCI Phil Jones gave his first press conference. Therefore it can ONLY have come from the police, since the neighbours could have gossiped at any time. Christopher Jefferies was doorstepped the following morning, and by that time he was already aware of what the press was alleging he had seen.

The landlord was deliberately "groomed" to make him appear a suitable suspect. He was angry and he looked eccentric. The arrest of the landlord was certainly orchestrated so as to entrap Vincent Tabak, who fell for the bait because he and Tanja had heard the landlord's story from the horse's mouth, and it was a totally different story from the one the landlord admitted to when he was doorstepped. The young couple thought they were catching the landlord out incriminating himself. They could not know that CJ must have kept his other neighbours, who were still at home, abreast of what was going on, so they too did not at once reach for their telephones.

None of the "vilification" stories that the press published during CJ's arrest were attributed. The press would never have published these anonymously unless the ex-pupils, neighbours etc. had given their names to the journalist and the editor. Therefore these stories about CJ's eccentricities came from a trusted source - the police.

I more or less agree with what you have posted Leonora.

Leaked it certainly was and as you say it could have only have come from the police.

Of course most of what I post is gossip or things I have seen myself. What else can you do when the press is making up silly stories and the police won't talk or we won't talk to the police.

From the beginning, locally, we had the now famous image of Chris Jefferies with his long, slightly tinted hair. Yes I believe that the police set him up, but right from the start the press were going all out to give the impression that something was weird.

And I am so glad he sued them.

But if I understand you all, why set up, in the most drastic way, Chris Jefferies .... to catch VT .... because?

Please don't anyone come back with `important people' .... we don't have any in Bristol!!

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Re: The Defence Will State Their Case
« Reply #704 on: September 09, 2017, 04:10:11 PM »
Chris Jefferies said himself that he had seen or heard  people at the gate, while he was parking his car at around 9pm.Apparently he told the same to some of his neighbours.  This has been well documented.  He did not say who the people were, and, according to him, he didn't know. The media got hold of it, and this is why they were pestering him shortly before he was arrested.  He denied (to the media) that he had seen Joanna with two other people,  and said that what he had told the police was "much much vaguer than that."

Thanks for clearing that up mrswah.

I honestly had that filed under `stupid' media stories.

Isn't there a short cut of sorts that comes out at where Joanna's path/gate would have been?

I don't want to have to go a take a look myself!