Was it Karen Thomas who dismissed Kingdom's statement that he heard the words "Help Me" on Saturday the 18th December 2010?
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Default Re: Did Harry Walker change his story about the screams he heard?
- they newspaper seems to be incorporating several people's experiences in that article.
I only found out about Harry Walker's witness statement 10 days ago and have only read the details for the first time on this thread. What i experienced was during the day time - this is what i explained to the police on the 21st of December and to an Evening Post journalist a few days later.
(I'm the person in one of three flats - not Harry Walker - whose bedrooms back onto both CJ's drive - and with one having an oblique view of Tabak's door -- HW is in the same development but in the main house).
What i heard - on what i NOW believe to be saturday mid morning - probably between 10am - and 12.30 pm - was what sounded like a female voice shout out - 'Why won't someone help me!' very loudly. I only clearly caught the last two words 'help me!' - looked outside and there was no one about and assumed it was someone actually calling to someone else on Canynge Road and that i'd misheard - what i thought i'd heard).
It definitely wasn't on the friday night - i was in on the friday night and can't recall hearing anything undue - although i do recall hearing raised voices one evening of that week - which could have been an argument or could equally have revelers). I have a TV in the bedroom so it feasible that any scream might have been blocked out by the sound of that - (i seem to recall there was a turbulent episode of Eastenders on that evening).
I spoke to the DC last week who i had spoken to back in January and she said that as i hadn't been called as a witness they had probably concluded that what i heard was not relevant to the case. (Which i took to mean that the police have concrete forensic evidence that Jo was murdered on the friday night and that what i heard could not have been her on the saturday morning).
Personally i disagree. I'm not a fantasist or prone to a wild imagination and it would be a spectacular coincidence if the shout had not been Jo as at the time i thought the timbre of the voice sounded very odd.
I have contacted the police about this issue on at least 4 occasions specifying that i had heard this during the brightest part of that day -
He states Harry Walker couldn't have heard the screams as he lives in the main part of the building.. And Kingdom's backs onto the back of Canygne Road...
I spoke to the DC last week who i had spoken to back in January and she said that as i hadn't been called as a witness they had probably concluded that what i heard was not relevant to the case.
Did they dismiss out of hand Kingdoms statement because it was in the daytime that he heard the screams???
I spoke to the DC last week who i had spoken to back in January and she said that as i hadn't been called as a witness they had probably concluded that what i heard was not relevant to the case. (Which i took to mean that the police have concrete forensic evidence that Jo was murdered on the friday night and that what i heard could not have been her on the saturday morning).
Kingdom was under the impression that they had concrete Forensic Evidence that Joanna Yeates was murdered Friday Night... So what did the DC says to him???
Now kingdoms statement should have been taken more seriously... (imo)
Why won't someone help me!' very loudly. I only clearly caught the last two words 'help me!'
He hears someone shouting
"Why won't someone Help me".... And the Police decide in their wisdom that this neighbour who is the closest neighbour to Joanna Yeates , doesn't have a valid statement...
I would have thought that out of all the neighbours.."Kingdom" was in a better position than anyone...
Where the jury ever told that the words help me were said on their visit to Percival Court???
Because why take them there... As Harry Walker couldn't hear anything..... Did they go inside "Percival Court to Harry Walkers Flat??? Or were they just stood in the garden or somewhere outside???
Because they would need to go inside his Flat.....
The jury also heard evidence from Harry Walker who said he heard a scream on the evening of 17 December.
Now it doesn't state whether he was inside or out????? And as there wasn't parties going on at Percival Court and the weather was freezing.. Harry Walker had to be inside.... So did the Jury go into Harry Walkers Flat to see if he could hear, screams coming from The Back of 44 Canygne Road ????
The jury went to 4 sites??
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Clegg QC says there are four particular sites they will look at. Jurors are to make a note of how long it takes to walk route Joanna took.
(1) Longwood Lane
(2) 53 Canygne Road
(3) Flat 1 44 Canygne Road
(4) Flat 2 Canygne Road
(5) Percival Court
(6) Joanna Yeates journey home
Amid a heavy police presence, Mr Justice Field helped the jury retrace her steps through Bristol's upmarket Clifton district.
There would have been loads of sites for number 6!!
Whatever is said to the jury on their visit... Is it recorded ??? Could the jury have been told about the cries for "help"??
So Karen Thomas did do a lot of Interviews... Was it she who spoke to "Kingdom" and dismissed his
Important Statement A a credbile person witnessing a woman's cry for help?????
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/picturegalleries/uknews/8822613/Inside-the-flat-where-Joanna-Yeates-was-killed-by-Vincent-Tabak.html?image=11http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=7613.msg365827#msg365827http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-15289139https://www.bowlandcentral.com/forum/showthread.php?t=98647&highlight=harry+walker
