The Defence Will State Their Case

[Caroline]

Why is A profiler relevant? 

How could any profiler determine the why for of what I write and why I write it? based upon what?

What other information have I viewed which maybe warranted said response?

How could any profiler determine at what point someone may have made a comment to me, ?

Did someone ask me to search for something?

As for the links to the youtube music. for which reason did i do this??

Was I trying to convey something else??

What influences during my time writing on here, have I had in relation to said music video's?

Are the music video meant as a joke?

There could be many many factors...

Profilers appear to me to be generalisers, who have been dramatised world wide, who make decisions (imo) based on what they believe they know, and everyone ends up in a box.....

It is easy to box everyone up, and present said people to juries as a certain type of person, it appears to add weight, to the evidence that is presented at trial,.. profilers belong on TV, and a warning should be given, it's entertainment, it's car crash TV.. (imo)

Profilers do not and should not belong in a court room, what ever influences said profiler and any profilers decision making, should be scrutinized....


Many people have agenda's.. many people have experiences in life, that may or may not influence their thought processes, timing and tragedy may also play a part in any event, pressures and stressers may have an influence, and a person may or may not behave out of character.

Boxing everyone up is not helpful, and if it wasn't for the TV profilers, may people opinions as jurors at a trial would change. They would think for themselves instead of being possibly influenced by someone else ideas of a person or persons...

Profiling like anything is not an exact science....

Wasn't it reported about the CSI effect... How jurors apparently wanted DNA as proof of a defendants guilt..

DNA like anything is a tool, it depends where it originated from,  it depends on the correct process, it depends on whether it can be established as to when it was deposited...

Unfortunately it is used in most cases, and the relevance may not be accurate,.. Take Dr Vincent Tabak and Joanna Yeates, two people living in the same building using the same gate.. etc etc..

The transfer of DNA is highly likely, when and how said DNA is deposited ,is another matter, but how can that be determined, without exploring every avenue.

All countries have their own processes and ways in which to determine the guilt of any individual, I may not agree with some of the method's used, but i am not here to argue about other countries laws etc..

Evidence needs to be based on fact and not opinion, and yes I can see where you see coming from, I am not presenting fact, but questioning the process... And wanting to understand how the decisions about Dr Vincent Tabak were established..

Searches on the internet, do not equate to fact... The fact only that can be established about said internet searches, is that they were made... but made by whom, and in what context is not established, merely by the presence of a computer search.. A computer search is not evidence of a crime...

Texts too are not evidence in that way either, understanding the context of said text is just as important, and the interpretation of said texts, is dependant on who's presenting said text and in what context.... Not knowing what someone was responding too, whether or not the text response was delayed for whatever reason, whether or not said text was meant as a joke, whether or not said text was received by the correct person, are all factors in whether or not, each text is relevant to any situation.. Whether or not autocorrect decided to kick in..

Texts may appear to confirm evidence presented, but confirm what exactly, that a text was sent?

Interpretation of texts is not evidence and I find that area of texts etc as evidence one should question, texts can be interpreted in many ways, just like DNA can be interpreted in many ways.. (imo)

So the point of informing me of a profiler Real was what exactly??

I think RJ is alluding to the fact that you appear to have transformed into another person over the past week or so. The way you write, is totally different - it's like two different people are posting under the one name. Also his observation about the 'content' of images found on Tabak's computer is something I have noticed too - it doesn't matter what language he searched in, its the content of what he was looking for! So, what is your opinion about such content? And do you not see that someone viewing such images and video's is potentially dangerous?

[Caroline]

Someone remarked that this was none of my business, and thinking about that remark it is true..

I think I may have come full circle... Comments like mine or anyones elses on a forum are not evidence, evidence that words were written, that is true, but they are not evidence of anything else other than it being one persons opinion based on the information they believe they may know...

They could be viewed as entertainment by some, or used as advice by others, so my comments that are many, are proof of nothing, they appear to have only added to the weight of information already out there..

So maybe a hazzard warning sign should be attached to my posts, that they are posts based on my opinion, and my opinion only, and my interpretation of what information I have viewed or seen..

My posts are evidence of nothing, and as such should been seen in that way...

Edit... And as my posts are evidence of nothing, maybe that is the real reason they should be removed,... Anyone reading them maybe should see them as ???, I do not know... Opinion is just that, opinion....

They have added to the weight of false information out there.

[Nicholas]

“In reality, I don’t think the flying monkeys realize what they are doing. I trust that these people actually believe in the righteousness and the “cause” of the narcissist.
https://pro.psychcentral.com/recovery-expert/2016/07/the-narcissists-flying-monkeys/

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Interesting Billy your post is quite revealing, you make a long post on things that have already been explained about Computers, surprisingly you never mention CONTENT.  The content of the Computers doesn’t seem to bother you, the fact he’s a paedofile and admitted to this possession, (Vincent Tabak admits possessing indecent images of children) now my Old friend Jim Clemente would rip your post apart, he’s a profiler, your only worry in all this, He never searched in the Dutch language only for one word?

Your not suggesting, his girlfriend knew about his dirty sexual pervertion are you Billy, Nah Nah Nah Billy no woman with half a brain would be that stupid, well other than the evil Myra Hindley of course.

Anyway I’ve got to dash over to Amsterdam to see my Dutch sister in law, I’ve got to be back for Footie this afternoon 

On here seeing as it says it is a UK site, the likely hood of people being members  having a command of the English language is needed, other wise it is totally useless, they may choose to use google for translation, but it in't always correct, it may have improved over the years, but it can and it does make error...

Is that what happened to Dr Vincent Tabak's computer searches?? They were put through a google translator?

Google translators are only handy to grasp something but sometimes words cannot be translated that easily..

And the words used may end up having a complete different meaning.. The context therefore is needed too... Words command emotional response, and knowing what the emotional response was supposed to be... take this text:

neit te doen XXX

I used the online translator and the online translator stated:Not to do XXX





Now this was what my brother in law had said, "neit te doen XXX" and as I am not Dutch I asked him to translate..

He came back with:

Ajax lost. XXX sign for Amsterdam, neit te doen could be Translated as "unbearable" I think


I have here a person fluent in English, who is of Dutch origin translating for me what he means...

so far we have one interpretation from Google, but if i miss off the XXX and just put the words in I get..

neit te doen is translated into impossible




So far we have had 3 different translation of this text, I have asked a Dutch person what it means and they have explained that the:

XXX Is the symbol for Amsterdam and neit te doen could be translated as unbearable..

"Unbearable" and "Not to do" are two completely different thing, massively different and massively important when it comes to understanding what a person meant, who is from another country... The "Not to do" makes no sense... when you realise what the information was about...

Knowing that XXX means Amsterdam and not kisses is huge, it transforms a message from one thing to another. As I have demonstrated..

I wasn't gonna come back to this the the idea of an American profiler, has got me intrigued....

The message I saw was originally an image, so the correct order of the text I couldn't say,  the XXX were emoji's and the rest of the text splashed across the screen..

Because the use of emoji's in his message caught my eye, that was why I asked him for a translation.. And as we can see, google does not have the capacity to understand simple and subtle changes in meaning, it needed to understand that XXX didn't mean kisses, and google couldn't comprehend that, google could only come back with something it had in it's banks...

But it is not good enough... I have explained why it isn't good enough, more than once....

So again i will ask does Missing you loads, I'm Bored, VXXX does it really mean what it looks like? where the XXX's even emojis??

Or does it mean what I have suggested it could mean....  That he was Missing Tanja loads, as he was or had been to the Hotel V in Amsterdam?

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=8060.msg527375#msg527375

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=8060.msg527376#msg527376

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=8060.msg527428#msg527428

Those 3 posts explain how I came to a conclusion... They cast doubt on the apparent text Dr Vincent Tabak sent when one translates it from what could be the real meaning and not just assume it means what everyone has wanted us to believe it means...

Posters have said it s like 2 different people are posting when I post, but, it depends in the day and how I may be feeling, it depends on whether I am over analysing something, it depends on many variations.... It maybe, because something has grasped my attention and I end up on a tangent, there are many varied reason for many things..

Yesterday I thought I should no longer post... And believe I had rationalised the reasons for that... But  something again niggles, and thinking of the profiler had me wondering other things...

Did they use an American profiler in this case? Do the English Police use American profilers?? My god that's a scary proposition in my opinion...

I watched loads of those American TV programs, and I think Dayle Hinman has to be my favourite, and that is not in a good way....

I'm like Dayle ... No....    I laugh everytime, she's comedy gold... I'd give you an example but i'd go off topic... Anyway, common sense is all she is applying, my god, and she is paid money to make TV programs...

Profiling is not an exact science, i said this the other day, and should not be accepted in this country, (imo).. We as a country appear to use more and more tactics in policing that the Americans have been using in their country, and i do not agree with many of their methods... But that is my opinion... And again another topic..

But I want to explore the possibility that they used an American profiler on this case....

I'm not surprised I keep going backwards and forwards and wonder what is real or not... I know I started because I wanted to help a man that i felt couldn't help him self... And as always, chuck the idea that someone is a paedo into the mix, and everyone runs for cover....

I''l bore you for a minute.... Ages ago , I made comment about what had been written about computers in relation to child images, in fact i pointed a certain question at PaulThe Red and Jixy, but some of those post have now been removed..

The guide lines about data and child images wasn't very exact, and what it basically stated was that if you had the ability to create change an image you could be charged with child porn offences... Well that was the long and the short of it....

I pointed out that everyone has paint or a particular program built into computers, and to be honest, what happens now, that we have  filters on so many apps??

The law needs to be accurate, and when I wrote the post about this some years ago, the law  wasn't accurate as in the wording stated could lead to abuse of this law.. , I'm now searching for the law on child protection and computer images, and can't find the original information I used at the time... But how would that search i have just made be interpreted, or could be interpreted...

Did they use an American profiler on this English Case? Did they apply the tactics that are used in America here??

That is a worrying proposition... This case is off... I keep saying that... The use of the word Manslaughter, at every opportunity, in court and the media is ridiculous, and now a wry smile has crossed my face, because it may be dawning on me that , the idea of that is an American tactic... They do that in America, everyone knows everything about a case before it has even hit the court room...

Whom did they bring in to assist in this case?? And is this why we end up at The Old Bailey??

What is going on here.... I have been sent around in circles, not knowing what is real or not... Because it doesn't make sense... I keep stating it and I know you do not agree..

Is the reason that there is no more information available about this case, because it was information an American profiler has??

My head is going off in all directions at the moment, with possibilities galore...  But i won't share them with you at this point...

As I have pointed out about the text, what context was the word "DOODSLAG" used in ? Context in this case is vital,
and it appears to have been ignored...

I have the phrase.. 'Sexual Conduct" in my head at the moment, another term Dr Vincent Tabak apparently searched for... Well the term is Sexual Misconduct... And I have explained that one in a post also...

I am now getting the image, of an American profiler sat with an English bobby, using google to translate Dutch and any words that appear incriminating are used, and seen as proof of guilt...  Is that what took place??

"Hey Sharon, we've got him... Google says he did it, so he must have done... Case wrapped my girl...!!" 

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Is that what happened to CJ??

The idea that he is a little different, could be seen as a tool to turn people against him? The media painting him in a certain light??

We English love a good eccentric,.. They are intriguing, fascinating, they have a different look on the world, and for me I find it great..

See the Blue hair thing didn't bother me, his sexuality too has no baring, I couldn't give a crap about it, I am more concerned about the people he saw at the gate, and not what he looked like...

And on thinking about that, why did they get CJ to conform, he apparently had always had his eccentric, look, in fact I was looking for the cordurory pants he may have worn... lol ..

Bristol is diverse, people come in many forms there, so I can hardly see how CJ would stick out.... He sticks out more now because he has transformed himself, into someone who is not recognisible.. And we only know who he is from his many appearances..

He tells us it was because he may be noticed that he changed his appearance, the dramatic change is more of a reason to be noticed i would say...

Did he feel he may be taken more seriously if he presented himself in this conformist way??

Appearances can be deceptive, an appearance is not proof of anything...

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Back to the idea that Dr Vincent Tabak admitted apparently to Manslaughter... And why if he hadn't done it he would say this?

It was suggested if he went to prison because of the images, that were apparently on his computer, he would get a harsher sentence and he wouldn't want t o go to prison as a sex offender, so a killer would be better...

  I'm laughing because that idea, comes directly from an American Tv program about a murder of a woman, and a young man who had apparently interfered with his daughter whom was extremely young, decided to randomly attack  someone... the house he ends up at is occupied by a single person being female, who's family haven't returned home..

He kills the woman, and escapes, having left a letter of his on her kitchen counter, they track him down and he is covered in nicotine patches, in an apparent attempt to commit suicide...

When asked why he had killed the woman, he said he would rather go to prison as a Murderer than a Sex Offender....

Now what a coincidence, that idea Dr Vincent Tabak admitted to Manslaughter for the apparent same reason of what he would go to prison for...

Most Sex offenders in this country get a short sentence, it is changing, but Dr Vincent Tabak only recieved 10 months, for the images...

So what was the reason he apparently admitted to manslaughter??

Was he actually threatened with something else??

Maybe they wanted him in America.... Now for anyone thats a scary thought.... I have Assange now springing to mind, and everything that is happening in trying to stop that extradicition..

[jixy]

Back to the idea that Dr Vincent Tabak admitted apparently to Manslaughter... And why if he hadn't done it he would say this?

It was suggested if he went to prison because of the images, that were apparently on his computer, he would get a harsher sentence and he wouldn't want t o go to prison as a sex offender, so a killer would be better...

  I'm laughing because that idea, comes directly from an American Tv program about a murder of a woman, and a young man who had apparently interfered with his daughter whom was extremely young, decided to randomly attack  someone... the house he ends up at is occupied by a single person being female, who's family haven't returned home..

He kills the woman, and escapes, having left a letter of his on her kitchen counter, they track him down and he is covered in nicotine patches, in an apparent attempt to commit suicide...

When asked why he had killed the woman, he said he would rather go to prison as a Murderer than a Sex Offender....

Now what a coincidence, that idea Dr Vincent Tabak admitted to Manslaughter for the apparent same reason of what he would go to prison for...

Most Sex offenders in this country get a short sentence, it is changing, but Dr Vincent Tabak only recieved 10 months, for the images...

So what was the reason he apparently admitted to manslaughter??

Was he actually threatened with something else??

Maybe they wanted him in America.... Now for anyone thats a scary thought.... I have Assange now springing to mind, and everything that is happening in trying to stop that extradicition..

Your use of the word apparently is quite disgusting just like Tabak's viewing material

NO as you well know he wasnt threatened. The  very important charges re the porn weren't brought to trial to enable him have a fair trial along with his version that lead to manslaughter .You know this but refuse to accept this because its spoils the badly done to image you want to put forward for Tabak

This was ALL in his favour.

There is nothing you can say in defence of anyone viewing such material.  Its not one or the other with Tabak. It is BOTH!

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Your use of the word apparently is quite disgusting just like Tabak's viewing material

NO as you well know he wasnt threatened. The  very important charges re the porn weren't brought to trial to enable him have a fair trial along with his version that lead to manslaughter .You know this but refuse to accept this because its spoils the badly done to image you want to put forward for Tabak

This was ALL in his favour.

There is nothing you can say in defense of anyone viewing such material.  Its not one or the other with Tabak. It is BOTH!

You're allowed your opinion Jixy, just as I am mine..

What's disgusting is a trial happened without evidence and a man is in prison...

If Dr Vincent Tabak did kill Joanna Yeates, then you wouldn't be bothered if we put ALL The evidence to the test..

Having witness's appear in court having everything examined by qualified people,  lets get ALL The evidence out and ALL the relevant people who should have been at trial and re-examine it ALL...

Oh maybe that is not possible.... maybe me keep asking if it is real or not is true... Is warranted..

Yes, i know you think i am uncaring when i question the entire case, and whether or not a murder actually took place..

But unless everything is put under the microscope and re-examined, the true will never be known...

A confession is NOT good enough, if the evidence doesn't support the confession... So why accept it is beyond me....

[jixy]

Maybe you should got to a trial that you arent connected to and listen and learn when someone pleads guilty. You never stop for a minute to think if he had a full trial as you call it and had pleaded not guilty that the very same result could have happened.

Its just a drum to bang for you to protest his innocence because you dont have anything else to offer that is worth anything

[mrswah]

Does anyone know why VT wasn't tried for possessing child porn at the same time as he was tried for murdering Joanna?  Just thinking back to the Becky Watts case, where Nathan Matthews was tried for both offences at the same time.

[jixy]

Omg mrswah really? how long have you been commenting on this case? You know why he wasnt!

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Maybe you should got to a trial that you arent connected to and listen and learn when someone pleads guilty. You never stop for a minute to think if he had a full trial as you call it and had pleaded not guilty that the very same result could have happened.

Its just a drum to bang for you to protest his innocence because you dont have anything else to offer that is worth anything

And maybe it's time for questions... I'm not arguing anymore, I feel I've been directed sometimes, but i come back to what I believe, and I am not even putting anyone else in the frame, just because we are told, check the boyfriend first, then the family...

That again is American, it with all of the TV Crime shows brainwashes us... That idea I believes comes from America...

Again an example.... Watching a TV program, American, Crime of some description... Two Cops arrive, because a woman i believe rang them to say her husband had either been shot or stabbed... can't remember, but there first reaction was to say, There she is she's done it... And take her away...

There are uses of the English language in these programs that irritate me... Now my command of English isn't always the best, or should I say, i have no qualification in English, even though i am English...but certain things we know....

Shot to Death..... A phrase regularly used in these programs.... I tell ya I want to hit the screen with my shoe...

It is "Shot Dead"!!!  Not Shot to Death... I am sure CJ would be able to explain why... I always get verbs and  adjectives etc  etc ...mixed up, but there is a reason it is Shot dead, and not Shot to Death...

But I know it's shot dead, and for some reason that annoys me no end, that phrase that has been used 'Shot To Death"..sends me off the deep end.... I'm Like Arrrggggghhhhhh

A mixture of Americanisms and English language appears in this trial and case.... And I do not understand why...

Does anyone know why VT wasn't tried for possessing child porn at the same time as he was tried for murdering Joanna?  Just thinking back to the Becky Watts case, where Nathan Matthews was tried for both offences at the same time.

I do not know English law mrswah.... It maybe you are tried for all offences at the same time in England, and not  in America, I cannot answer that question to be honest...

But I know I don't want to hear the term "Shot to Death" ... anymore.... arrrggghhhh

[jixy]

And maybe it's time for questions... I'm not arguing anymore, I feel I've been directed sometimes, but i come back to what I believe, and I am not even putting anyone else in the frame, just because we are told, check the boyfriend first, then the family...

That again is American, it with all of the TV Crime shows brainwashes us... That idea I believes comes from America...

Again an example.... Watching a TV program, American, Crime of some description... Two Cops arrive, because a woman i believe rang them to say her husband had either been shot or stabbed... can't remember, but there first reaction was to say, There she is she's done it... And take her away...

There are uses of the English language in these programs that irritate me... Now my command of English isn't always the best, or should I say, i have no qualification in English, even though i am English...but certain things we know....

Shot to Death..... A phrase regularly used in these programs.... I tell ya I want to hit the screen with my shoe...

It is "Shot Dead"!!!  Not Shot to Death... I am sure CJ would be able to explain why... I always get verbs and  adjectives etc  etc ...mixed up, but there is a reason it is Shot dead, and not Shot to Death...

But I know it's shot dead, and for some reason that annoys me no end, that phrase that has been used 'Shot To Death"..sends me off the deep end.... I'm Like Arrrggggghhhhhh

A mixture of Americanisms and English language appears in this trial and case.... And I do not understand why...

I do not know English law mrswah.... It maybe you are tried for all offences at the same time in England, and not  in America, I cannot answer that question to be honest...

But I know I don't want to hear the term "Shot to Death" ... anymore.... arrrggghhhh

what are you talking about? One post and you are off on one! You know why he wasnt charged with the porn at the same time as the murder. It has been discussed many times. What happened at his trial has nothing to do with being threatened and far less to do with America.!!!!!!!

He wasnt on trial for the porn AS WE ALL WELL KNOW to give him a fair trial and a crack at being sentenced for Manslaughter instead of Murder

Why you both are pretending you dont know this when you have both commented on it numerous times is baffling and deflecting!

[mrswah]

Omg mrswah really? how long have you been commenting on this case? You know why he wasnt!

Well, if I ever knew, I have forgotten, I'm afraid. Old age !!

[mrswah]

I'm talking about the child porn, possession of which is a crime, not the adult porn, which isn't. Not pretending anything! You should "know" me better by now!!