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[Benice]

Cooperation is a two way street and it seems when the Portuguese authorities requested it at the start from Leicestershire Police, they didn't get it.

Beware what you sow.

When the UK police arrived the first thing Amaral did was have them tailed - demanding that their every move be reported back to him.     That doesn't sound like someone who welcomed the assistance offered- or was in a mood to co-operate.    IMO a UK police presence was the last thing he wanted.

 

[Estuarine]

I have just been catching up on last nights traffic.
Within the EU, member states police forces are supposed to cooperate but how that is effected will depend on each member states legal processes.
Europol is an organisation that is intended to facilitate cooperation between the member states enforcement agencies on "serious crime" and terrorism. It is not a force in its own right.
Interpol facilitates cooperation between police forces worldwide on a wide range of topics.
Do we have any evidence to suggest that The Met and PJ are NOT cooperating in the letter/spirit intended by EU rules?
For my money both The Met and PJ need to establish a datum (I am sure they both have). That datum being the last time Madeleine McCann was seen alive corroborated by a witness who was not one of T9. Everything else will flow from that.
The crime may or may not be solved. There are plenty of crimes in The UK, murders included that remain unsolved.

[Redblossom]

When the UK police arrived the first thing Amaral did was have them tailed - demanding that their every move be reported back to him.     That doesn't sound like someone who welcomed the assistance offered- or was in a mood to co-operate.    IMO a UK police presence was the last thing he wanted.

Where did you read this?

[Carana]

Where did you read this?

His book, presumably.


Two days later, English colleagues begin to arrive. The main idea was for the English police to place at our disposal two specialists in family supervision and support to be the link between the Portuguese investigators and the McCanns. The National Directorate of the PJ had authorised the arrival of these police officers in the context of international collaboration. Bob Small, an officer from the Leicestershire police, and one of his colleagues meet us to take stock of the situation and evaluate the needs of the investigation before making contact with the couple.

We insist on knowing what our English counterparts have come to Portugal to do. I assign one of my investigators to follow the English superintendent like a shadow and to keep me informed about his actions. I want to be informed of everything he learns, the names of the people he meets and the places he goes to.

[Estuarine]

His book, presumably.


Two days later, English colleagues begin to arrive. The main idea was for the English police to place at our disposal two specialists in family supervision and support to be the link between the Portuguese investigators and the McCanns. The National Directorate of the PJ had authorised the arrival of these police officers in the context of international collaboration. Bob Small, an officer from the Leicestershire police, and one of his colleagues meet us to take stock of the situation and evaluate the needs of the investigation before making contact with the couple.

We insist on knowing what our English counterparts have come to Portugal to do. I assign one of my investigators to follow the English superintendent like a shadow and to keep me informed about his actions. I want to be informed of everything he learns, the names of the people he meets and the places he goes to.

Forgetting about any emotive terms that may or may not be implied or inferred I find the stance of the PJ perfectly reasonable. Foreign police are on my soil taking an interest in my investigation and supposed to be behaving in accordance with EU guidelines. I would be all over them like a cheap suit just in case.

[VIXTE]

His book, presumably.


Two days later, English colleagues begin to arrive. The main idea was for the English police to place at our disposal two specialists in family supervision and support to be the link between the Portuguese investigators and the McCanns. The National Directorate of the PJ had authorised the arrival of these police officers in the context of international collaboration. Bob Small, an officer from the Leicestershire police, and one of his colleagues meet us to take stock of the situation and evaluate the needs of the investigation before making contact with the couple.

We insist on knowing what our English counterparts have come to Portugal to do. I assign one of my investigators to follow the English superintendent like a shadow and to keep me informed about his actions. I want to be informed of everything he learns, the names of the people he meets and the places he goes to.

This is crazy. Gestapo like. No wonder the creche and OC staff and the rest wasn't investigated.. He was busy investigating the foreign police forces  who he presumed would cover up a possible murder and  hide it from a hero like him..

[VIXTE]

Forgetting about any emotive terms that may or may not be implied or inferred I find the stance of the PJ perfectly reasonable. Foreign police are on my soil taking an interest in my investigation and supposed to be behaving in accordance with EU guidelines. I would be all over them like a cheap suit just in case.

Well, I would instead try to organise the maximum level of the cooperation. Use their brains and resources in a most positive way.
Unless I am afraid they might discover things I don't want them to know.

[stephen25000]

This is crazy. Gestapo like. No wonder the creche and OC staff and the rest wasn't investigated.. He was busy investigating the foreign police forces  who he presumed would cover up a possible murder and  hide it from a hero like him..

...............and what would have happened in the reverse situation ?

Do you seriously believe that Uk police would not watch counterparts from another country if they investigated over here ?

Get real.

[VIXTE]

...............and what would have happened in the reverse situation ?

Do you seriously believe that Uk police would not watch counterparts from another country if they investigated over here ?

Get real.

I rather see it as a conflict between individual policing styles. It is an individual choice, i.e. it is not a policy of PJ.or SY or whoever.
If there was another policeman instead of Amaral, he might have decided different.

[Sherlock Holmes]

...............and what would have happened in the reverse situation ?

Do you seriously believe that Uk police would not watch counterparts from another country if they investigated over here ?

Get real.

They probably would, but the ego factor is very big in this case (Individual and collective).

There surely must be a natural resistance in Portugal, quite understandably, to SY and others walking in and going over their 'turf' - with the possibility that SY will make progress where the PJ and others have failed.

A very delicate situation at many levels.

[stephen25000]

They probably would, but the ego factor is very big in this case (Individual and collective).

There surely must be a natural resistance in Portugal, quite understandably, to SY and others walking in and going over their 'turf' - with the possibility that SY will make progress where the PJ and others have failed.

A very delicate situation at many levels.

You assume the PJ failed.

You do not know that for certain.

As to the relative success rates in crime solving, that would be an interesting comparison to say the least.

Evidence can only be found if it exists and if there is none for abduction ..............................

As to egg on the faces, what do we have to show for several million pounds of UK taxpayers money so far ?

[Estuarine]

They probably would, but the ego factor is very big in this case (Individual and collective).

There surely must be a natural resistance in Portugal, quite understandably, to SY and others walking in and going over their 'turf' - with the possibility that SY will make progress where the PJ and others have failed.

A very delicate situation at many levels.

I think in this instance, Sherlock, the reference is to "early doors" when the Leicestershire Police arrived on the scene. Regardless of how it is presented in a book I would imagine there was a requirement for a local policeman to be present as LP would have no authority in their own right. cf. "It was a requirement that we should provide an officer to accompany our foreign colleagues while they were in our country" and " I ordered one of my gang to stick to the foreign rozzer like s**t to a blanket and report back to me everything he done". Same story different way of telling it.

[Benice]

I rather see it as a conflict between individual policing styles. It is an individual choice, i.e. it is not a policy of PJ.or SY or whoever.
If there was another policeman instead of Amaral, he might have decided different.

Pity he didn't put a tail on the McCanns with the same instructions when they hired their car, considering he'd decided from day one that they were the guility party.   He would have either caught them redhanded moving the body and it would have been game over, or there would have been no thesis involving the car for him to expouse.     Think of all the time and money that one simple act would have saved.

He put a tail on the UK policemen but not on the  prime suspects!   The mind boggles.

[Mr Gray]

Pity he didn't put a tail on the McCanns with the same instructions when they hired their car, considering he'd decided from day one that they were the guility party.   He would have either caught them redhanded moving the body and it would have been game over, or there would have been no thesis involving the car for him to expouse.     Think of all the time and money that one simple act would have saved.

He put a tail on the UK policemen but not on the  prime suspects!   The mind boggles.

A very good post Benice..he was "watching the detectives" instead of watching the suspects...what a brilliant policeman

[VIXTE]

Pity he didn't put a tail on the McCanns with the same instructions when they hired their car, considering he'd decided from day one that they were the guility party.   He would have either caught them redhanded moving the body and it would have been game over, or there would have been no thesis involving the car for him to expouse.     Think of all the time and money that one simple act would have saved.

He put a tail on the UK policemen but not on the  prime suspects!   The mind boggles.

That is really strange.. Seems from the beginning the concentration was on some strange competition with SY.
Was it the inferiority complex that ruled this case?