Poll - Scent Dogs Accuracy

[Eleanor]

Tut,tut,still it got me looking back at the Saint of the village I was raised in.

I don't think there ever was a St. Neasden.  I shall have to Google it.

[pathfinder73]

K9 that found missing California man, who was found dead in WNY, was on first career search

The cadaver K9 that found him is a German Shepard, Malinois mix. Her name is Leiche; she's with the Erie County Sheriff's Office. She came to the department with zero cadaver K9 training, less than a year ago.

Seven days a week, she trains with her handler, Erie County Sheriff's Deputy Bradley Girdler.

"Every day I do put out some hides for her to find," he said during an interview with News 4 at Chestnut Ridge Park.

Leiche looks for the smell of decomposition.

"She doesn't actually track anyone... she doesn't get a piece of clothing or anything from a specific individual, she would just go and detect that scent."

If she finds that scent, she sits.

"She doesn't know what she's finding, she just knows the scent she finds is ultimately going to give her a reward, which is hot dogs and a ball."

Back in May, Rudy Ray Rockett had been missing almost three weeks. Search crews scoured areas they thought he could've been, but all of them came back with no leads.

That all changed the night of May 19. This Erie County Sheriff's duo was called in, on their very first 'real' search.

"On the way to the search, I was nervous about how she would do, how she would react under real-world conditions," Girdler said.

They were called to an East Otto address.

"We went down there, it was dark."

They searched an open camping area, but Leiche didn't find anything there, so they expanded their search area.

The two, along with a Cattaragus County Sheriff's deputy, went down a hill, through a pine forest. Her nose led them through a clearing where there was a ravine with a creek running through it. Along that ravine, she sat.

"It's pitch black and my flashlight is on her," Deputy Girdler said. "So I'm walking through and I'm literally just shining my flashlight on her to watch her body language and movement, and then when she sat, I initially didn't realize why. But then as soon as I moved my flashlight across my feet, I realized she had in fact sat right next to Mr. Rockett."

Twenty days after he went missing, Mr. Rockett's family could finally get some closure.

Just seven months after starting on the job, Leiche had her very first find.

"I was absolutely proud of her," Deputy Girdler said. "Obviously it's a difficult situation, but for her, that's her job, so when she did her job correctly, I was obviously delighted with her."

http://www.wivb.com/news/local-news/k9-that-found-missing-california-man-who-was-found-dead-in-wny-was-on-first-career-search/1241859606

[Brietta]

K9 that found missing California man, who was found dead in WNY, was on first career search

The cadaver K9 that found him is a German Shepard, Malinois mix. Her name is Leiche; she's with the Erie County Sheriff's Office. She came to the department with zero cadaver K9 training, less than a year ago.

Seven days a week, she trains with her handler, Erie County Sheriff's Deputy Bradley Girdler.

"Every day I do put out some hides for her to find," he said during an interview with News 4 at Chestnut Ridge Park.

Leiche looks for the smell of decomposition.

"She doesn't actually track anyone... she doesn't get a piece of clothing or anything from a specific individual, she would just go and detect that scent."

If she finds that scent, she sits.

"She doesn't know what she's finding, she just knows the scent she finds is ultimately going to give her a reward, which is hot dogs and a ball."

Back in May, Rudy Ray Rockett had been missing almost three weeks. Search crews scoured areas they thought he could've been, but all of them came back with no leads.

That all changed the night of May 19. This Erie County Sheriff's duo was called in, on their very first 'real' search.

"On the way to the search, I was nervous about how she would do, how she would react under real-world conditions," Girdler said.

They were called to an East Otto address.

"We went down there, it was dark."

They searched an open camping area, but Leiche didn't find anything there, so they expanded their search area.

The two, along with a Cattaragus County Sheriff's deputy, went down a hill, through a pine forest. Her nose led them through a clearing where there was a ravine with a creek running through it. Along that ravine, she sat.

"It's pitch black and my flashlight is on her," Deputy Girdler said. "So I'm walking through and I'm literally just shining my flashlight on her to watch her body language and movement, and then when she sat, I initially didn't realize why. But then as soon as I moved my flashlight across my feet, I realized she had in fact sat right next to Mr. Rockett."

Twenty days after he went missing, Mr. Rockett's family could finally get some closure.

Just seven months after starting on the job, Leiche had her very first find.

"I was absolutely proud of her," Deputy Girdler said. "Obviously it's a difficult situation, but for her, that's her job, so when she did her job correctly, I was obviously delighted with her."

http://www.wivb.com/news/local-news/k9-that-found-missing-california-man-who-was-found-dead-in-wny-was-on-first-career-search/1241859606

Uh Huh ... she performed exactly as she was trained to do and found a body.  What is your point?

[ShiningInLuz]

K9 that found missing California man, who was found dead in WNY, was on first career search

The cadaver K9 that found him is a German Shepard, Malinois mix. Her name is Leiche; she's with the Erie County Sheriff's Office. She came to the department with zero cadaver K9 training, less than a year ago.

Seven days a week, she trains with her handler, Erie County Sheriff's Deputy Bradley Girdler.

"Every day I do put out some hides for her to find," he said during an interview with News 4 at Chestnut Ridge Park.

Leiche looks for the smell of decomposition.

"She doesn't actually track anyone... she doesn't get a piece of clothing or anything from a specific individual, she would just go and detect that scent."

If she finds that scent, she sits.

"She doesn't know what she's finding, she just knows the scent she finds is ultimately going to give her a reward, which is hot dogs and a ball."

Back in May, Rudy Ray Rockett had been missing almost three weeks. Search crews scoured areas they thought he could've been, but all of them came back with no leads.

That all changed the night of May 19. This Erie County Sheriff's duo was called in, on their very first 'real' search.

"On the way to the search, I was nervous about how she would do, how she would react under real-world conditions," Girdler said.

They were called to an East Otto address.

"We went down there, it was dark."

They searched an open camping area, but Leiche didn't find anything there, so they expanded their search area.

The two, along with a Cattaragus County Sheriff's deputy, went down a hill, through a pine forest. Her nose led them through a clearing where there was a ravine with a creek running through it. Along that ravine, she sat.

"It's pitch black and my flashlight is on her," Deputy Girdler said. "So I'm walking through and I'm literally just shining my flashlight on her to watch her body language and movement, and then when she sat, I initially didn't realize why. But then as soon as I moved my flashlight across my feet, I realized she had in fact sat right next to Mr. Rockett."

Twenty days after he went missing, Mr. Rockett's family could finally get some closure.

Just seven months after starting on the job, Leiche had her very first find.

"I was absolutely proud of her," Deputy Girdler said. "Obviously it's a difficult situation, but for her, that's her job, so when she did her job correctly, I was obviously delighted with her."

http://www.wivb.com/news/local-news/k9-that-found-missing-california-man-who-was-found-dead-in-wny-was-on-first-career-search/1241859606

A very informative read, PathFinder.   

If a dog can be trained on hides, I need to stop giving our dog, Gonçalo, hide chews as an alternative to real bones.

And I need to include hot dogs in his reward scheme.   

I wonder how far away Leiche was when she first smelled the body.

[pathfinder73]

Uh Huh ... she performed exactly as she was trained to do and found a body.  What is your point?

Don't underestimate a dog's nose and if Eddie had made false alerts he wouldn't have been on the McCann case - The Brits brought their best dogs to this case as SY well know! Now if you can name one case where Eddie has alerted and the missing person has turned up alive then I'm all ears ?

[pathfinder73]

A very informative read, PathFinder.   

If a dog can be trained on hides, I need to stop giving our dog, Gonçalo, hide chews as an alternative to real bones.

And I need to include hot dogs in his reward scheme.   

I wonder how far away Leiche was when she first smelled the body.

Great name and I would train Goncalo up on the top of this hill. 

[Brietta]

Don't underestimate a dog's nose and if Eddie had made false alerts he wouldn't have been on the McCann case - The Brits brought their best dogs to this case as SY well know! Now if you can name one case where Eddie has alerted and the missing person has turned up alive then I'm all ears ?

I think 'false alerts' may be a misnomer.  The dog alerted to something but what that something was is not open to interpretation - forensics make that decision; in the hire car the forensics indicated it was cellular material on a key fob.

Unless you can provide a cite consisting of independently assessed training data your 'best dogs' claim is unsafe and merely a matter of your opinion.

[pathfinder73]

It is simple. Eddie has alerted - If the missing person turns up alive and there's no other explanation he is wrong. Eddie was tested for court in the Parker case to prove his cadaver odour detecting skills - that was in a jail. Next you will be saying there would be no traces of blood in a jail  These dogs were exceptional and SY know it. 12 million and counting!

[Brietta]

It is simple. Eddie has alerted - If the missing person turns up alive and there's no other explanation he is wrong. Eddie was tested for court in the Parker case to prove his cadaver odour detecting skills - that was in a jail. Next you will be saying there would be no traces of blood in a jail  These dogs were exceptional and SY know it. 12 million and counting!

Blind faith in their ability just doesn't cut the mustard.
There are stringent procedures in place in American courts regarding training protocols for these dogs.  Rather like calibrating an instrument to ensure it is fit for purpose.

You have not provided a citation outlining Eddie's accredited training schedule and his performance in training.

[misty]

If the translation is correct, Grime told the PJ in 2008 that Eddie was trained mainly on human cadaver odour? How could that be when working for SYP & furthermore, how was Eddie's ability to correctly alert to it tested by an ACPO dog trainer?

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_GRIMES_RIGATORY.htm

[slartibartfast]

Blind faith in their ability just doesn't cut the mustard.
There are stringent procedures in place in American courts regarding training protocols for these dogs.  Rather like calibrating an instrument to ensure it is fit for purpose.

You have not provided a citation outlining Eddie's accredited training schedule and his performance in training.

That’s a new one, Eddie was wrong because he didn’t have a piece of paper...

[sadie]

That’s a new one, Eddie was wrong because he didn’t have a piece of paper...

Seems that you are twisting Briettas words.

Cite please for where Brietta said that Eddie was wrong because he didn't have a piece of paper (certificate)

[slartibartfast]

Seems that you are twisting Briettas words.

Cite please for where Brietta said that Eddie was wrong because he didn't have a piece of paper (certificate)

So you don’t think that that is what she was trying to convey?

[sadie]

So you don’t think that that is what she was trying to convey?

Erm?    

Dunno what you mean.  Try again slarti

[sadie]

Seems that you are twisting Briettas words.

Cite please for where Brietta said that Eddie was wrong because he didn't have a piece of paper (certificate)

Still waiting for that Cite please slarti