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Offline The General

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #4620 on: November 13, 2018, 01:07:18 PM »
Quote from: Davel on November 13, 2018, 01:00:49 PM
The scent doesn't move around..... It can follow water drainage obviously.... It can travel through cracks in rock... Obviously... The idea it moves around is ridiculous... This happens in air but not underground... Underground it may follow pathways... That's, what Harrison is, saying
I'm fairly sure he's saying the exact opposite of that statement.
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #4621 on: November 13, 2018, 01:17:20 PM »
Quote from: The General on November 13, 2018, 01:07:18 PM
I'm fairly sure he's saying the exact opposite of that statement.

Sobtell us what you think he's saying
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Offline The General

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #4622 on: November 13, 2018, 01:27:26 PM »
Quote from: Davel on November 13, 2018, 01:17:20 PM
Sobtell us what you think he's saying
So the scent is carried around, but not like 'on the breeze' over ground, as you would expect, but it's 'dissolved' in water and transported by varying means, and depending on various parameters he listed, it's released via gaseous emissions and  / or leachate plumes. In effect the 'scent' is moving all over the gaffe.
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Offline G-Unit

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #4623 on: November 13, 2018, 01:41:07 PM »
Quote from: The General on November 13, 2018, 01:27:26 PM
So the scent is carried around, but not like 'on the breeze' over ground, as you would expect, but it's 'dissolved' in water and transported by varying means, and depending on various parameters he listed, it's released via gaseous emissions and  / or leachate plumes. In effect the 'scent' is moving all over the gaffe.

Consequently a cadaver can be some distance from the spot where a cadaver dog alerts.
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #4624 on: November 13, 2018, 03:08:59 PM »
Quote from: G-Unit on November 13, 2018, 01:41:07 PM
Consequently a cadaver can be some distance from the spot where a cadaver dog alerts.

But YOU would expect the dog to alert in a garden if a body was buried there... Why were they not used..
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Offline Sunny

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #4625 on: November 13, 2018, 03:25:09 PM »
Quote from: Davel on November 13, 2018, 03:08:59 PM
But YOU would expect the dog to alert in a garden if a body was buried there... Why were they not used..

Perhaps you should ask the Met Police that one Davel.  8)--))
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Offline The General

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #4626 on: November 13, 2018, 03:30:40 PM »
Quote from: Davel on November 13, 2018, 03:08:59 PM
But YOU would expect the dog to alert in a garden if a body was buried there... Why were they not used..
Because they were going to dig the place up anyway. They had to, they had a tip off. So they used GPR to narrow the search area. No need for a dog. From what I've seen the search was extensive and thorough.
Even if they did use a dog and it alerted or didn't, it wouldn't matter, they were always going to dig the gaff up.
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #4627 on: November 13, 2018, 03:34:49 PM »
Quote from: The General on November 13, 2018, 03:30:40 PM
Because they were going to dig the place up anyway. They had to, they had a tip off. So they used GPR to narrow the search area. No need for a dog. From what I've seen the search was extensive and thorough.
Even if they did use a dog and it alerted or didn't, it wouldn't matter, they were always going to dig the gaff up.
By using the dog first they would have known if a body was there or not... They didn't because the digs, are not that reliable imo
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Offline The General

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #4628 on: November 13, 2018, 03:39:12 PM »
Quote from: Davel on November 13, 2018, 03:34:49 PM
By using the dog first they would have known if a body was there or not... They didn't because the digs, are not that reliable imo
Why? In this case, unlike the McCann case, the GPR would be way more effective and accurate and garner better results that the operatives could interpret. And, as I've mentioned at length, it would be utterly futile, they were going to dig it up any way. It's not as if they deploy a dog, it doesn't alert, so they move on, they would still dig up due to a duty of care post a serious tip off. Not because they wouldn't trust it, but because it's utterly pointless in this case.
Can't use GPR in a maisonette in Portugal
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Offline Brietta

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #4629 on: November 13, 2018, 05:52:41 PM »
Quote from: G-Unit on November 13, 2018, 01:41:07 PM
Consequently a cadaver can be some distance from the spot where a cadaver dog alerts.

Dependant on the terrain and recoverable once the coordinates have been worked out.  It is very difficult to locate a body even if the person who buried it cooperates in indicating it's location if no body was ever present it is of course an impossibility.
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Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #4630 on: November 23, 2018, 06:28:04 PM »
apropos the documentary presented by Jane Corbin on last night's tv about the Novichok attack in Salisbury.
Comment from a former head of a British Intelligence dept  regarding the Russian response to UK assertions; here I paraphrase a bit:
"Well we knew what they would say before they said it; it would be the four "disses"
Dismiss,Distort,Distract and Dismay" ............................... *%87.    That M.O. seems to have a familiar ring to it.
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Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #4631 on: November 23, 2018, 07:01:43 PM »
Quote from: Alice Purjorick on November 23, 2018, 06:28:04 PM
apropos the documentary presented by Jane Corbin on last night's tv about the Novichok attack in Salisbury.
Comment from a former head of a British Intelligence dept  regarding the Russian response to UK assertions; here I paraphrase a bit:
"Well we knew what they would say before they said it; it would be the four "disses"
Dismiss,Distort,Distract and Dismay" ............................... *%87.    That M.O. seems to have a familiar ring to it.
Doesn’t it just!  8(0(*
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Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #4632 on: November 23, 2018, 08:19:12 PM »
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on November 23, 2018, 07:01:43 PM
Doesn’t it just!  8(0(*

A picture paints a thousand words.
 8((()*/        8)--))
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Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #4633 on: November 23, 2018, 08:33:20 PM »
Quote from: Alice Purjorick on November 23, 2018, 08:19:12 PM
A picture paints a thousand words.
 8((()*/        8)--))
A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush...  8(>((
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Offline John

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #4634 on: November 23, 2018, 11:34:43 PM »
The weekend beckons once again and with it will come the usual silliness. However, members are warned that referring to other members as naive, immature, hypocritical, stupid etc is a breach of forum etiquette and as such will attract sanctions.

Please keep posts amiable and constructive and above all please avoid goading or demeaning comments. TY.
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