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Offline Carana

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« Reply #4650 on: November 30, 2018, 04:06:00 PM »
[Name removed]o bro of BoJo on BBC News this eve, described Brexit negots as "botched and bungled".
I wonder who wrote his script ?

Unlike big bro, [Name removed]o seems quite sensible. Sadly, I hadn't heard of him until he resigned.

Offline Miss Taken Identity

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« Reply #4651 on: November 30, 2018, 07:51:43 PM »
They[the claimants] said cancelling it was therefore 'unlawful', because the four had a 'legitimate expectation' it would go ahead.

"The judge also said he found it 'unacceptable' that the case was based on a covert recording made of the meeting, despite everyone present having agreed that 'what is said in this room stays in this room' at the outset.

He said the case failed 'at almost every level'.


Kate N Gerry just don't seem to be winning their court cases these days... I wonder if they can get BOGOF (a buy one get one legal fight free0 at the ECHR... two governments one off payment?

Oh Gerry wants to silence the press? oh no wait... he just wants to control it...
'Never underestimate the power of stupid people'... George Carlin

Offline faithlilly

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« Reply #4652 on: December 10, 2018, 07:05:54 PM »
Excellent news that justice has finally been won for Karen Hadaway and Nicola Fellows some 32 years after they were murdered by Russell Bishop.

I often have a gut feeling when someone is not telling the truth and I always felt that with Bishop, even when he was acquitted in his first trial.

Thank goodness for double jeopardy and the advances in DNA that secured Bishop’s conviction.
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Venturi Swirl

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« Reply #4653 on: December 10, 2018, 07:24:29 PM »
Excellent news that justice has finally been won for Karen Hadaway and Nicola Fellows some 32 years after they were murdered by Russell Bishop.

I often have a gut feeling when someone is not telling the truth and I always felt that with Bishop, even when he was acquitted in his first trial.

Thank goodness for double jeopardy and the advances in DNA that secured Bishop’s conviction.
Gosh, I always thought the convicted paedophile was telling the truth, aren’t you terribly clever!
"Surely the fact that their accounts were different reinforces their veracity rather than diminishes it? If they had colluded in protecting ........ surely all of their accounts would be the same?" - Faithlilly

Offline kizzy

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« Reply #4654 on: December 10, 2018, 08:00:24 PM »
Gosh, I always thought the convicted paedophile was telling the truth, aren’t you terribly clever!



Take heed in the maddie case then - don't make the same mistake again imo VS

Offline Eleanor

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« Reply #4655 on: December 10, 2018, 08:09:55 PM »
Gosh, I always thought the convicted paedophile was telling the truth, aren’t you terribly clever!

Don't forget the hatchet job they tried to do on the father of one of the victims.  That was a disgrace.

Offline Venturi Swirl

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« Reply #4656 on: December 10, 2018, 08:31:23 PM »


Take heed in the maddie case then - don't make the same mistake again imo VS
what mistake would that be dear Kizzy?
"Surely the fact that their accounts were different reinforces their veracity rather than diminishes it? If they had colluded in protecting ........ surely all of their accounts would be the same?" - Faithlilly

Offline faithlilly

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« Reply #4657 on: December 10, 2018, 09:03:46 PM »
Don't forget the hatchet job they tried to do on the father of one of the victims.  That was a disgrace.

Indeed Eleanor. It would appear Mr Fellows and his lodger at the time Douglas Judd were arrested on the say so of an ex girlfriend of Bishop. The allegation was originally made in 1987 at a time when the victim’s boyfriend was facing trial for the murders of Mr Fellows daughter and her friend. Her allegation was later found to be without foundation.
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Eleanor

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« Reply #4658 on: December 10, 2018, 09:06:40 PM »
Indeed Eleanor. It would appear Mr Fellows and his lodger at the time Douglas Judd were arrested on the say so of an ex girlfriend of Bishop. The allegation was originally made in 1987 at a time when the victim’s boyfriend was facing trial for the murders of Mr Fellows daughter and her friend. Her allegation was later found to be without foundation.

Thanks for that, Faith.  Did it not rear its head again in this last trial?  I was a bit unclear about that.

Offline faithlilly

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« Reply #4659 on: December 10, 2018, 09:32:18 PM »
Thanks for that, Faith.  Did it not rear its head again in this last trial?  I was a bit unclear about that.

It did. It was brought up by the defence.

I believe Mr Fellows has passed away.

Apologies it was Mr Hadaway.
« Last Edit: December 11, 2018, 10:15:02 AM by Faithlilly »
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Eleanor

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« Reply #4660 on: December 10, 2018, 09:53:49 PM »
It did. It was brought up by the defence.

I believe Mr Fellows has passed away.

That is really sad.  All of those years waiting for justice.

Offline Venturi Swirl

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« Reply #4661 on: December 10, 2018, 10:40:01 PM »
It did. It was brought up by the defence.

I believe Mr Fellows has passed away.
He was alive on 20th November of this year.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-sussex-46275917
"Surely the fact that their accounts were different reinforces their veracity rather than diminishes it? If they had colluded in protecting ........ surely all of their accounts would be the same?" - Faithlilly

Offline misty

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« Reply #4662 on: December 10, 2018, 10:54:34 PM »
https://portugalresident.com/parents-of-cliff-fall-death-aussie-condemn-pj-police-investigation-as-%E2%80%9Canother-stuff-up%E2%80%9D

Posted by PORTUGALPRESS on December 10, 2018

Parents of cliff-fall death Aussie condemn PJ police investigation as “another stuff up”

Referring to the ‘botched’ investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, the parents of a young Australian who fell 30 metres to his death from an Ericeira clifftop six months ago, say they feel his case is “bloody right up the same alley - another stuff up”. The parents of specialist electrician Michael Kearns are not satisfied that police properly investigated the possible involvement of a third party.

This is not the first time doubts have been raised by Australian media (click here).

The agony of Kathy and Bill Kearns comes after the couple received the PJ’s final report which ruled their son’s death, and that of his British girlfriend Louise Benson, was “accidental”.

The report indicates that the police spoke to only one witness - the beach cleaner who found the couple’s bodies at the foot of the cliff. Yet, other media found and spoke to a number of people who saw and spent time with the holidaymakers, including one woman who was walking her dog near the cliff-top just after 5am and heard someone shout or scream “as if in fright”.

But even more worrying is the clump of hair Michael was found to have in one of his hands.

Says website Perth Now: “the Kearns were desperate to know if it belonged to their son or a third party. But in the report, it states the hair was collected for DNA sampling but no determination could be made”.

And that for grieving parents - who do not buy the police ‘theory’ that the couple died taking a selfie - is simply not good enough.

“All we want is answers ... and we’re guessing, which breaks your heart. We’re not saying (the Portuguese police) haven’t done their job, but they haven’t reported it, they haven’t given us the complete report”, says the couple.

For now, the PJ investigation appears to have been closed. Whether Michael Kearns parents “accept it and do nothing or get legal advice”, they have not decided, but they admit they are “resigned to the fact” that they may never get the answers they’re looking for.

As to the ‘selfie theory’, they say it’s “insulting”, because it makes their son and his girlfriend “sound like they’re stupid…”

No one would take a photograph of themselves in the dark, is the couple’s contention.

What Kathy and Bill Kearns did reveal however is that Louise Benson’s iPhone is with her family and they are “trying to get it unlocked to see if it holds answers”.

Offline Venturi Swirl

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« Reply #4663 on: December 10, 2018, 11:12:41 PM »
https://portugalresident.com/parents-of-cliff-fall-death-aussie-condemn-pj-police-investigation-as-%E2%80%9Canother-stuff-up%E2%80%9D

Posted by PORTUGALPRESS on December 10, 2018

Parents of cliff-fall death Aussie condemn PJ police investigation as “another stuff up”

Referring to the ‘botched’ investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, the parents of a young Australian who fell 30 metres to his death from an Ericeira clifftop six months ago, say they feel his case is “bloody right up the same alley - another stuff up”. The parents of specialist electrician Michael Kearns are not satisfied that police properly investigated the possible involvement of a third party.

This is not the first time doubts have been raised by Australian media (click here).

The agony of Kathy and Bill Kearns comes after the couple received the PJ’s final report which ruled their son’s death, and that of his British girlfriend Louise Benson, was “accidental”.

The report indicates that the police spoke to only one witness - the beach cleaner who found the couple’s bodies at the foot of the cliff. Yet, other media found and spoke to a number of people who saw and spent time with the holidaymakers, including one woman who was walking her dog near the cliff-top just after 5am and heard someone shout or scream “as if in fright”.

But even more worrying is the clump of hair Michael was found to have in one of his hands.

Says website Perth Now: “the Kearns were desperate to know if it belonged to their son or a third party. But in the report, it states the hair was collected for DNA sampling but no determination could be made”.

And that for grieving parents - who do not buy the police ‘theory’ that the couple died taking a selfie - is simply not good enough.

“All we want is answers ... and we’re guessing, which breaks your heart. We’re not saying (the Portuguese police) haven’t done their job, but they haven’t reported it, they haven’t given us the complete report”, says the couple.

For now, the PJ investigation appears to have been closed. Whether Michael Kearns parents “accept it and do nothing or get legal advice”, they have not decided, but they admit they are “resigned to the fact” that they may never get the answers they’re looking for.

As to the ‘selfie theory’, they say it’s “insulting”, because it makes their son and his girlfriend “sound like they’re stupid…”

No one would take a photograph of themselves in the dark, is the couple’s contention.

What Kathy and Bill Kearns did reveal however is that Louise Benson’s iPhone is with her family and they are “trying to get it unlocked to see if it holds answers”.
‘another stuff up” sounds about right :-(
"Surely the fact that their accounts were different reinforces their veracity rather than diminishes it? If they had colluded in protecting ........ surely all of their accounts would be the same?" - Faithlilly

Offline misty

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« Reply #4664 on: December 10, 2018, 11:25:53 PM »
‘another stuff up” sounds about right :-(
Yes. If in 2018 Portuguese forensics cannot obtain a DNA profile from a clump of hair found in one victim's clutch (which presumably had roots & was not cuttings from the floor of the local barber's) what chance of solving a crime back in 2007 by testing all the shed hairs collected from 5A?