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Offline APRIL

Re: J B Campaign Ltd - Much Ado About Nothing...
« Reply #405 on: March 30, 2016, 09:58:23 AM »
Pour les personnes qui peuvent comprendre un peu de français...

http://tueursenserie.wifeo.com/jeremy-bamber-le-massacre-de-lessex.php


Bonjour et merci beaucoup. Je comprende un TRES petit peu de francais!!!!

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: J B Campaign Ltd - Much Ado About Nothing...
« Reply #406 on: March 30, 2016, 04:55:25 PM »
No Vlog from Troods this week.  Perhaps due to Easter.  Maybe she is having conversations with the bearded man in the sky:

Troods: Please give me strength and wisdom to continue with my weekly Vlogs supporting Jeremy Bamber, the victim of a terrible injustice.

Bearded Man In Sky:  Have you sinned?

Troods:  No. 

Bearded Man In Sky:  Are you sure?

Troods:  Hmmm...I have been a bit naughty and overindulged my fondness for Jaffa cakes.

Bearded Man In Sky:  Very well.  You must now have a Jaffa cake fast for 40 days to repent for your gluttony and I will look over this Jeremy Bamber

Troods:  But...

Bearded Man In Sky:  No buts...

The Sun dated 30th May 2056:  "Jeremy Bamber convicted of murdering his family in 1986 died yesterday in his cell at HMP Wakefield from natural causes.  He was the longest serving prisoner and protested his innocence until his death.  Prison officials have estimated the cost of his lengthy incarceration at £10,623,000. Many long standing supporters led by a prominent member of the Communist Party are expected to attend Bamber's funeral and have vowed to fight on seeking a posthumous pardon.  His cousins, Ann Eaton and David Boutflour, both now in their hundreds have said they wish to get on with the rest of their lives in peace..."

Troods:  Hell...if only I had been able to kick my Jaffa habit for 40 days  8(8-))  Pat pass us a Jaffa...
« Last Edit: March 30, 2016, 05:07:16 PM by Holly Goodhead »
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline adam

Re: J B Campaign Ltd - Much Ado About Nothing...
« Reply #407 on: March 30, 2016, 08:45:01 PM »
No Vlog from Troods this week.  Perhaps due to Easter.  Maybe she is having conversations with the bearded man in the sky:

Troods: Please give me strength and wisdom to continue with my weekly Vlogs supporting Jeremy Bamber, the victim of a terrible injustice.

Bearded Man In Sky:  Have you sinned?

Troods:  No. 

Bearded Man In Sky:  Are you sure?

Troods:  Hmmm...I have been a bit naughty and overindulged my fondness for Jaffa cakes.

Bearded Man In Sky:  Very well.  You must now have a Jaffa cake fast for 40 days to repent for your gluttony and I will look over this Jeremy Bamber

Troods:  But...

Bearded Man In Sky:  No buts...

The Sun dated 30th May 2056:  "Jeremy Bamber convicted of murdering his family in 1986 died yesterday in his cell at HMP Wakefield from natural causes.  He was the longest serving prisoner and protested his innocence until his death.  Prison officials have estimated the cost of his lengthy incarceration at £10,623,000. Many long standing supporters led by a prominent member of the Communist Party are expected to attend Bamber's funeral and have vowed to fight on seeking a posthumous pardon.  His cousins, Ann Eaton and David Boutflour, both now in their hundreds have said they wish to get on with the rest of their lives in peace..."

Troods:  Hell...if only I had been able to kick my Jaffa habit for 40 days  8(8-))  Pat pass us a Jaffa...

Maybe Trudie is having conversations with the man in prison.

Bamber asked Mike to close the Blue forum when he realised it was doing more harm than good.

Offline Myster

Re: J B Campaign Ltd - Much Ado About Nothing...
« Reply #408 on: March 30, 2016, 09:39:26 PM »
If JB didn't go by car, I'm still of the opinion that he cycled the shortest RED route (2.8 miles) - which includes the wide farm track/footpath connecting Pages Lane to Maldon Road. It starts at the back, i.e. north side of WHF (the front door of the farm faces south). He told JM that he would cycle via the "back road", which imo can only mean the RED route.

The track passes south of Hyde Farm before joining Maldon Road, shown in the attachments below...

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It's one of them cases, in'it... one of them f*ckin' cases.

david1819

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Re: J B Campaign Ltd - Much Ado About Nothing...
« Reply #409 on: March 31, 2016, 12:10:32 AM »
If JB didn't go by car, I'm still of the opinion that he cycled the shortest RED route (2.8 miles) - which includes the wide farm track/footpath connecting Pages Lane to Maldon Road. It starts at the back, i.e. north side of WHF (the front door of the farm faces south). He told JM that he would cycle via the "back road", which imo can only mean the RED route.


JM never told Julie anything. What JM sais about the bike and window in her September statements is written in RWB's diary weeks before hand. Her statements are coerced this is irrefutable because they contain multiple contradictory narratives that a truthful statement would not manifest.





Offline scipio_usmc

Re: J B Campaign Ltd - Much Ado About Nothing...
« Reply #410 on: March 31, 2016, 06:16:16 AM »
JM never told Julie anything. What JM sais about the bike and window in her September statements is written in RWB's diary weeks before hand. Her statements are coerced this is irrefutable because they contain multiple contradictory narratives that a truthful statement would not manifest.






You don't understand evidence at all. The claims of a lawyer is not evidence. Jeremy's lawyer claiming that everything she said was obtainable from RWB's diary is patently false.  There were only select things that were in the family knew about such as the windows being used by the family to enter.

Your claim it is irrefutable that Jeremy told Julie nothing is beyond laughable.  You keep drifting more and more into Mike land...

“...there are three classes of intellects: one which comprehends by itself; another which appreciates what others comprehend; and a third which neither comprehends by itself nor by the showing of others; the first is the most excellent, the second is good, the third is useless.”  Niccolò Machiavelli

david1819

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Re: J B Campaign Ltd - Much Ado About Nothing...
« Reply #411 on: March 31, 2016, 08:16:21 AM »
You don't understand evidence at all. The claims of a lawyer is not evidence. Jeremy's lawyer claiming that everything she said was obtainable from RWB's diary is patently false.  There were only select things that were in the family knew about such as the windows being used by the family to enter.

Your claim it is irrefutable that Jeremy told Julie nothing is beyond laughable.  You keep drifting more and more into Mike land...

You say "The claims of a lawyer is not evidence"

Think you may have shot yourself in the foot there    @)(++(*
« Last Edit: March 31, 2016, 09:05:15 AM by david1819 »

Offline sika

Re: J B Campaign Ltd - Much Ado About Nothing...
« Reply #412 on: March 31, 2016, 03:20:10 PM »
You say "The claims of a lawyer is not evidence"

Think you may have shot yourself in the foot there    @)(++(*
Eh?

Offline scipio_usmc

Re: J B Campaign Ltd - Much Ado About Nothing...
« Reply #413 on: March 31, 2016, 04:22:52 PM »
You say "The claims of a lawyer is not evidence"

Think you may have shot yourself in the foot there    @)(++(*

Hardly.  It is a fact that lawyers making claims in court are not evidence.  Only witnesses can provide evidence. Lawyers can get documentary evidence admitted but normally need witnesses even for that because there needs to be some authentication of the documents.  Certain documents are self-authenticating under the rules of evidence but many are not. 

It is actually unethical for a lawyer to give evidence.  If a lawyer is a potential witness in a case because of possessing personal knowledge that is relevant a lawyer is supposed to not handle that case.  The reason why there is a problem is because the trier of fact could become confused and not be able to recognize the difference of when they are presenting evidence as as witness from when they are just acting as an advocate and not giving evidence.

What a lawyer says in opening or closing statements is not evidence. Lawyers often say they will prove things in opening statements that they end up not proving and in closing statements claim they proved things they did not. Every defense attorney claims reasonable doubt was established regardless of whether it was or wasn't while every prosecutor claims guilt beyond a reasonable doubt was established regardless of whether it was or wasn't.    The fact they made such a claims is not evidence of whether reasonable doubt exists or not. The trier of fact decides what the facts are and does so based on the evidence presented during the trial not what the lawyers claim.
 
Thus even if we were in court my unsupported claims would have no more weight than the unsupported claims of anyone else. But we are not in court, we are on a level playing field here. The same principles apply here though that apply in court in determining whether someone is making an unsupported claim or proven fact. A fact is proven when reliable evidence establishes something to be true.

You said it is an irrefutable fact that Jeremy told Julie nothing.  You failed to support your claim with reliable evidence though. Your main evidence was simply an unsupported allegation made by Jeremy's lawyer.  Not only is that allegation unsupported by evidence worse it is clearly wrong.  Julie made a host of claims including but not limited to Jeremy saying he thought about starting a fire to kill his family.  That was no where to be found in RWB's diary. This is just one example there are plenty of others. 

There is no evidence of any communication between RWB and Julie regarding the murders let alone evidence they conspired together.  Nor is there any evidence police did anything to try to get Julie to make up claims.  Police didn't even believe Julie at first.

If you want to believe there were various conspiracies despite a lack of evidence that is your business but you should make clear they are your personal unsupported opinions as opposed to claiming they are proven facts.  That is where Mike always goes wrong.  He takes unsupported claims and misrepresents them as proven facts. When you say something is an irrefutable fact you are not holding it out as your opinion but rather fact. 
« Last Edit: March 31, 2016, 05:25:20 PM by scipio_usmc »
“...there are three classes of intellects: one which comprehends by itself; another which appreciates what others comprehend; and a third which neither comprehends by itself nor by the showing of others; the first is the most excellent, the second is good, the third is useless.”  Niccolò Machiavelli

david1819

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Re: J B Campaign Ltd - Much Ado About Nothing...
« Reply #414 on: March 31, 2016, 04:31:21 PM »
Hardly.  It is a fact that lawyers making claims in court are not evidence.  Only witnesses can proved evidence. Lawyers can get documentary evidence admitted but normally need witnesses even for that because there needs to be some authentication of the documents.  Certain documents are self-authenticating under the rules of evidence but many are not. 

It is actually unethical for a lawyer to give evidence.  If a lawyer is a potential witness in a case because of possessing personal knowledge that is relevant a lawyer is supposed to not handle that case.  The reason why there is a problem is because the trier of fact could become confused and not be able to recognize the difference of when they are presenting evidence as as witness from when they are just acting as an advocate and not giving evidence.

What a lawyer says in opening or closing statements is not evidence. Lawyers often say they will prove things in opening statements that they end up not proving and in closing statements claim they proved things they did not. Every defense attorney claims reasonable doubt was established regardless of whether it was or wasn't while every prosecutor claims guilt beyond a reasonable doubt was established regardless of whether it was or wasn't.    The fact they made such a claims is not evidence of whether reasonable doubt exists or not. The trier of fact decides what the facts are and does so based on the evidence presented during the trial not what the lawyers claim.
 
Thus even if we were in court my unsupported claims would have no more weight than the unsupported claims of anyone else. But we are not in court, we are on a level playing field here. The same principles apply here though that apply in court in determining whether someone is making an unsupported claim or proven fact. A fact is proven when reliable evidence establishes something to be true.

You said it is an irrefutable fact that Jeremy told Julie nothing.  You failed to support your claim with reliable evidence though. Your main evidence was simply an unsupported allegation made by Jeremy's lawyer.  Not only is that allegation unsupported by evidence worse it is clearly wrong.  Julie made a host of claims including but not limited to Jeremy saying he thought about starting a fire to kill his family.  That was no where to be found in RWB's diary. This is just one example there are plenty of others. 

There is no evidence of any communication between RWB and Julie regarding the murders let alone evidence they conspired together.  Nor is there any evidence police did anything to try to get Julie to make up claims.  Police didn't even believe Julie at first.

If you want to believe there were various conspiracies despite a lack of evidence that is your business but you should make clear they are your personal unsupported opinions as opposed to claiming they are proven facts.  That is where Mike always goes wrong.  He takes unsupported claims and misrepresents them as proven facts. When you say something is an irrefutable fact you are not holding it out as your opinion but rather fact.

There is an abudence of evidence if one bothers to compile and present it. I will do this later on and put an end to this debate once and for all

Offline scipio_usmc

Re: J B Campaign Ltd - Much Ado About Nothing...
« Reply #415 on: March 31, 2016, 05:26:01 PM »
There is an abudence of evidence if one bothers to compile and present it. I will do this later on and put an end to this debate once and for all

Here are some details that are very damaging to your claims:

A) RWB wrote his "diary" after Julie had already spoken to police

B) RWB's purpose for writing the diary was that police notified him that Julie had presented damaging evidence against Jeremy and that they were going to have him give a new statement thus they scheduled an appointment to take a statement. He decided to write up the "diary" to aid him in completing that police statement. 

C) The date police took this statement, were shown his "diary" and took it from him was on September 10.

D) Julie's September 8 statement was taken 2 days prior to this.  In this statement she mentions Jeremy told her he wanted them dead, that he knew how to secretly enter and exit the house and about the bike among many other things.  She told police this all before Boutflour even completed his "diary" let alone gave it to police. To rational people this is irrefutable evidence that the "diary" can't have been a basis for her claims. At most one can allege they got together and conspired together, subsequently she went to police and subsequent to that he drafted the diary. Of course there is no evidence of any such conspiracy.  The claim the diary formed the basis of her claims though is clearly absurd given it was drafted and given to police subsequent to her statement. 

This is hardly the only issue where you have gone off the deep-end. You have been advancing the campaign team nonsense of multiple moderators.

The evidence is clear, there was only 1 moderator at WHF.  The Boutflour moderators were not taken by police until the trial after the defense asked the Boutflours about such moderators on cross-examination. There is no evidence to establish evidence was planted inside the moderator but even less to suggest evidence was planted on/in multiple moderators.  It is an absolutely stupid suggestion that people would doctor multiple moderators.  If one is going to plant evidence it would be planted on/in Nevill's moderator not on/in Nevill's moderator and then on/in other moderators and those submitted as well. 

The evidence establishing why the exhibit numbers changed is irrefutable. Not only were the exhibit numbers of the moderator changed on the innocent basis given for the changes, so were other exhibits changed on such basis.  All the items found by Boutflour on 8/10 were redesignated DB1-4 after police came to appreciate he was the one who found them.  After police interrogated Jeremy and believed he was guilty they then wanted the family to provide more detailed information. That is when they learned the circumstances of how the moderator, scope and ammunition had been found. At that point they redesignated these exhibits DB1-4.   

After it was revealed DB1-4 already existed and that in fact DB1-100 had already been used they had no choice but to change the prefix again.  It was far easier to change Boutflour's than David Bird's because Bird had many more exhibits that would need to be changed.  They thus were changed to DRB1-4.  The campaign team ignores that they had no choice but to change DB/1 they could not have two exhibits sharing the exhibit number DB/1.  They also ignore the other items that changed as well to pretend only the moderator changed. They should not even try claiming DRB/1 was referring to a third moderator- the second change was mandatory only the first change was optional.

The reason given for that optional change is very logical and supported by the evidence.  Nothing suggests it was a fraud to conceal that there were 2 moderators that had evidence on/in them and to try merging the together.

You need to start thinking logically instead of simply advancing claims by Jeremy supporters that make no sense and are contradicted by the weight of evidence such as evidence that RWB's diary was completed and turned over to police after Julie gave her statement and thus it can't have been used by her as a basis for her statement.  At most one can allege they conspired together and after forming their conspiracy that she went to police with it while he drafted the diary. Again there is no evidence to establish this conspiracy but at least it is theoretical possible whereas police and Julie getting information from the diary to put in her September 8 statement isn't.

You have irrefutable proof that Julie took things from a diary written after giving her statement and went back in time and put them in her statement?  I think not...

 
« Last Edit: April 05, 2016, 05:36:55 PM by John »
“...there are three classes of intellects: one which comprehends by itself; another which appreciates what others comprehend; and a third which neither comprehends by itself nor by the showing of others; the first is the most excellent, the second is good, the third is useless.”  Niccolò Machiavelli

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: J B Campaign Ltd - Much Ado About Nothing...
« Reply #416 on: March 31, 2016, 05:43:27 PM »
Maybe Trudie is having conversations with the man in prison.

Bamber asked Mike to close the Blue forum when he realised it was doing more harm than good.

Maybe but Steve_uk seems to be of the opinion that JB needs a female in his life to play the role of ersatz mother which Troods might well do.  A role surely Mike would be unable to fulfil? 
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: J B Campaign Ltd - Much Ado About Nothing...
« Reply #417 on: March 31, 2016, 05:51:56 PM »
Eh?

Hello Sika.  Scipio has said on the open forum that he is/was a lawyer. 
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline sika

Re: J B Campaign Ltd - Much Ado About Nothing...
« Reply #418 on: April 01, 2016, 12:22:40 AM »
Hello Sika.  Scipio has said on the open forum that he is/was a lawyer.
Hello Holly.  Yes, I am/was well aware of that. 

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: J B Campaign Ltd - Much Ado About Nothing...
« Reply #419 on: April 01, 2016, 03:11:39 PM »
Hello Holly.  Yes, I am/was well aware of that.

Well like you when I read David's post I thought Eh?  Then I remembered Scipio saying he is/was a practicing lawyer and I thought it sort of made sense?   &%+((£
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?