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Disappeared and Abducted Children and Young Adults => Madeleine McCann (3) disappeared from her parent's holiday apartment at Ocean Club, Praia da Luz, Portugal on 3 May 2007. No trace of her has ever been found. => Topic started by: Angelo222 on August 25, 2013, 10:35:11 PM
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Not hyper religious, I agree, but Kate had a close relationship with her priest, Was he from Liverpool? I forget.
Remember what happened with the priest in PdL whom Kate was alleged to have confessed to and who conveniently disappeared the second they were made arguidos. Hmm...
(http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2007/08_01/mccannAP110807_468x311.jpg)
Father Pacheco, runs two churches and teaches at three local schools, yesterday broke his silence.
According to the Daily Express, he admitted he had become too close to the couple, still official suspects in the disappearance of their daughter.
"I was deceived," he said.
"I was just doing my job supporting lost souls. I would do that with any family who were in their situation. I didn't do anything wrong.
Father Pacheco, 46, said he had felt compelled to help Kate and Gerry because of their "inconsolable grief".
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-488262/I-deceived-says-Portuguese-priest-comforted-Gerry-Kate-McCann.html
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I wasnt aware that this happened but then again I wasnt in the habit of buying newspapers then any more than I do now. It doesnt look very good though with the priest having to leave his church and after handing his keys over to the Mccanns to.
Why did he think he was deceived did he not believe them in the end?
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The Daily Express.
Didn't they have to give Kate and Gerry McCann £550K for their lies?
Is this statement from Fr Pacheco in the PJ files? I think not.
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I wasnt aware that this happened but then again I wasnt in the habit of buying newspapers then any more than I do now. It doesnt look very good though with the priest having to leave his church and after handing his keys over to the Mccanns to.
Why did he think he was deceived did he not believe them in the end?
well he seemd to have more faith in the police than he did in the parents.
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Remember what happened with the priest in PdL whom Kate was alleged to have confessed to and who conveniently disappeared the second they were made arguidos. Hmm...
(http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2007/08_01/mccannAP110807_468x311.jpg)
Father Pacheco, runs two churches and teaches at three local schools, yesterday broke his silence.
According to the Daily Express, he admitted he had become too close to the couple, still official suspects in the disappearance of their daughter.
"I was deceived," he said.
"I was just doing my job supporting lost souls. I would do that with any family who were in their situation. I didn't do anything wrong.
Father Pacheco, 46, said he had felt compelled to help Kate and Gerry because of their "inconsolable grief".
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-488262/I-deceived-says-Portuguese-priest-comforted-Gerry-Kate-McCann.html
Thanks for that Angelo.
I remember reading about him at the time.
The Mccanns used him, when they 'discovered' religion.
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It would be interesting to know if Father Pacheco is relataed to the GNR officer Nelson Filipe Pacheco da Costa who first attended the scene? Could it be his nephew??
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http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/FATHER_PACHECO.htm
His police statement is very short for someone who had so much personal involvement with them and saw fit to hand over the keys of the church. He says in this statement that "He does not remember the date upon which the key was returned." Not surprising as according to the Express report he never did say goodbye as the keys were handed over to another clergyman.
Sounds like a case of damage limitation to me.
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Here we go again!
13- Processo Vol XIII 3924 to 3926
Father Pachecos Statement to the PJ 30th October 2007
Jose Manuel Conceicao Pacheco
The first time he had contact with the McCann's was on 5th May at about 19.00. This was a personal contact with them in the Ocean Club at their apartment, but not the apartment Madeleine disappeared from. They were accompanied by members of the holiday group.
This was an important meeting for the McCann's and which had not been possible to the fact that they were busy. He knows that on the fateful night the McCann's requested the presence of a priest, but he was only informed the following morning.
On the 5th, the theme they talked about was the disappearance and he gave all possible spiritual comfort and they prayed together. They also agreed that the couple would go to the church the following day to attend a mass.
He also prayed with the McCann's on the 6th and 8th May in their apartment.
He gave them the key to the church on the 7th or 8th May upon the suggestion of John Geraghty, a resident of the parish, so that they could calmly go to the church without any media pressure. Someone from the church gave the key to John Geraghty, who then passed it on to the McCann's, with Father Pacheco's permission.
He does not remember the date upon which the key was returned.
Other contact with the McCann's took place at the end of mass when he would comfort them.
He would also meet with the McCann's after they returned from their trips and remembered they were animated when they returned from Morocco as they thought they would Madeleine there. He also comforted Kate when the news of a child buried in Arau broke, as she revealed great nervousness and anxiety, thinking that the child had died.
When questioned, he said he never heard their confessions, perhaps because they only spoke English.
He never talked to them alone.
He states that they showed great suffering to the loss of their daughter.
He adds that a parish bulletin was published giving spiritual, moral and human support to the couple and to other missing children.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/P13/13_VOLUME_XIIIa_Page_3924.jpg
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Here we go again!
13- Processo Vol XIII 3924 to 3926
Father Pachecos Statement to the PJ 30th October 2007
Jose Manuel Conceicao Pacheco
The first time he had contact with the McCann's was on 5th May at about 19.00. This was a personal contact with them in the Ocean Club at their apartment, but not the apartment Madeleine disappeared from. They were accompanied by members of the holiday group.
This was an important meeting for the McCann's and which had not been possible to the fact that they were busy. He knows that on the fateful night the McCann's requested the presence of a priest, but he was only informed the following morning.
On the 5th, the theme they talked about was the disappearance and he gave all possible spiritual comfort and they prayed together. They also agreed that the couple would go to the church the following day to attend a mass.
He also prayed with the McCann's on the 6th and 8th May in their apartment.
He gave them the key to the church on the 7th or 8th May upon the suggestion of John Geraghty, a resident of the parish, so that they could calmly go to the church without any media pressure. Someone from the church gave the key to John Geraghty, who then passed it on to the McCann's, with Father Pacheco's permission.
He does not remember the date upon which the key was returned.
Other contact with the McCann's took place at the end of mass when he would comfort them.
He would also meet with the McCann's after they returned from their trips and remembered they were animated when they returned from Morocco as they thought they would Madeleine there. He also comforted Kate when the news of a child buried in Arau broke, as she revealed great nervousness and anxiety, thinking that the child had died.
When questioned, he said he never heard their confessions, perhaps because they only spoke English.
He never talked to them alone.
He states that they showed great suffering to the loss of their daughter.
He adds that a parish bulletin was published giving spiritual, moral and human support to the couple and to other missing children.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/P13/13_VOLUME_XIIIa_Page_3924.jpg
Too slow DCI @)(++(* Matt beat you to the draw!! 8@??)(
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The Daily Express.
Didn't they have to give Kate and Gerry McCann £550K for their lies?
Is this statement from Fr Pacheco in the PJ files? I think not.
It's not the first time someone had to repay money won in a libel suit. Just look at cycling cheat Lance Armstrong and the money he took from the London Times.
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/articles/501277/20130825/lance-armstrong-sunday-times-settle-doping.htm
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http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/FATHER_PACHECO.htm
His police statement is very short for someone who had so much personal involvement with them and saw fit to hand over the keys of the church. He says in this statement that "He does not remember the date upon which the key was returned." Not surprising as according to the Express report he never did say goodbye as the keys were handed over to another clergyman.
Sounds like a case of damage limitation to me.
He wasn't the one who gave the key, a member of the pastoral council did. The hierarchy wasn't happy with this and he might have been blamed for that, I don't think people are given the church key except for cleaning.
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Sounds as if The Express got hold of some PJ leaks!
Isn't this one of the papers the McCanns sued?
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The church in our village is never locked.
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It's not the first time someone had to repay money won in a libel suit. Just look at cycling cheat Lance Armstrong and the money he took from the London Times.
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/articles/501277/20130825/lance-armstrong-sunday-times-settle-doping.htm
Where does it say in Fr Pacheco's statement, reproduced in this thread, that he was deceived?
The Express were lucky to get away with an out of court settlement for £550K. Had Kate and Gerry McCann really gone for the jugular and taken it to court, they would have been paying ten times the sum they had to cough up.
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Where does it say in Fr Pacheco's statement, reproduced in this thread, that he was deceived?
The Express were lucky to get away with an out of court settlement for £550K. Had Kate and Gerry McCann really gone for the jugular and taken it to court, they would have been paying ten times the sum they had to cough up.
In your dreams perhaps, not in reality.
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Has anyone found an original article in Portuguese that quotes him as saying he was "deceived" by the McCanns?
Depending on what he actually said (if indeed he did say anything directly to the press), at least two words in Portuguese can apparently mean deceived or disappointed.
He could have been disappointed that Kate didn't go to whatever ceremony just before they left due to the press scrum all around her.
But that wouldn't have made such a juicy headline...
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Now was this the Father Pacheco who went to the VN Gaia seminary?
Exactly the same Christain name
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Has anyone found an original article in Portuguese that quotes him as saying he was "deceived" by the McCanns?
Depending on what he actually said (if indeed he did say anything directly to the press), at least two words in Portuguese can apparently mean deceived or disappointed.
He could have been disappointed that Kate didn't go to whatever ceremony just before they left due to the press scrum all around her.
But that wouldn't have made such a juicy headline...
No, but why didn't he complain to them in 2009, when they were attending a vigil mass taken by him?
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Father Pacheco never heard those people under the sacrament of confession.
They never confessed to him and they only used him to have access to the church.
They are confessed Catholics and yet they chose the Hubbards, which are Anglicans to establish a friendship.
Pacheco's disappointment was when he found out that they were opportunistically Catholics - they may have been baptized and taken some other children's sacraments, but they were not Catholics.
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No, but why didn't he complain to them in 2009, when they were attending a vigil mass taken by him?
They attended no mass celebrated by Father Pacheco. The only masses they attended were by Hubbard, a Canadian Anglican pastor.
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I've read somewhere that the excuse why they chose the canadian pastor over the portuguese catholic priest was due to the language. That's a ridiculous excuse, because any catholic priest has at least 5-7 years english language learning. Every catholic priest in Portugal understands at least English, French and Spanish.....and Latin and italian, of course....geeezzz, forgot that
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I've read somewhere that the excuse why they chose the canadian pastor over the portuguese catholic priest was due to the language. That's a ridiculous excuse, because any catholic priest has at least 5-7 years english language learning. Every catholic priest in Portugal understands at least English, French and Spanish.....and Latin and italian, of course....geeezzz, forgot that
The English speaking Canadian pastor had one big advantage, he had a wife whom Kate could confide in.
(http://www.mccannfiles.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/dm090513a.JPG)
Kate McCann leaves Our Lady of the Light church, in Praia da Luz, with friend Susan Hubbard.
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(http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/K/k7.jpg)
Kate Mccann with Susan Hubbard at Rothley, October 2007.
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The English speaking Canadian pastor had one big advantage, he had a wife whom Kate could confide in.
(http://www.mccannfiles.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/dm090513a.JPG)
Kate McCann leaves Our Lady of the Light church, in Praia da Luz, with friend Susan Hubbard.
You are right!
But for a catholic that isn't even a priest. A catholic priest must be a celibate (celibatary?), having a wife would be the ultimate sin. Quite a telling that friendship....
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Has anyone found an original article in Portuguese that quotes him as saying he was "deceived" by the McCanns?
Depending on what he actually said (if indeed he did say anything directly to the press), at least two words in Portuguese can apparently mean deceived or disappointed.
He could have been disappointed that Kate didn't go to whatever ceremony just before they left due to the press scrum all around her.
But that wouldn't have made such a juicy headline...
There is an article in the DN portuguese journal that I will not reproduce here because I think it is a fake, just as the fake that led G. Amaral to be transferred from Portimão to Faro.
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Moderators:
I urge you, in the name of common decency, to remove the last three posts by Luz in this thread. They do nothing to contribute to the debate, nor to our understanding of the case, being nothing but gratuitous, nasty vilification, reflecting the personal bitterness of the poster.
I have mixed feelings about this Chinagirl. Almost better to send them to the press and let the world see this vile person ... and at the same time take the opportunity to remind the press that this wo/man took it upon itself to tear down and splash paint all over posters aimed at finding a little girl. ................and bragged about it !
To destroy posters aimed at finding Madeleine.
To try and prevent a stolen little girl being re-united with her family .... and leave her with a gawd knows what of a man
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You are right!
But for a catholic that isn't even a priest. A catholic priest must be a celibate (celibatary?), having a wife would be the ultimate sin. Quite a telling that friendship....
My dear Luz - surely the point is that they found someone who could provide spiritual guidance, in their own language. The circumstances rather trancended the doctinal squabbles about Catholicism and protest[ censored word]m. I am pretty sure God would not mind, even if it offends you.
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Mr Moderator: Thank you! 8((()*/
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They attended no mass celebrated by Father Pacheco. The only masses they attended were by Hubbard, a Canadian Anglican pastor.
Oh yes they did!
McCann prayers of Praia trip The Sun
From ANTONELLA LAZZERI
Published: 12 Dec 2009
KATE and Gerry McCann tonight attended a service at the church in Praia da Luz where they used to pray for their missing daughter.
Looking upset the couple walked hand in hand into the tiny Nossa Senhora da Luz church.
They were attending a vigil mass taken by Father Jose Pacheco.
The catholic priest comforted the couple in the days after Maddie went missing on May 3rd 2007.
The couple who are devout Catholics had earlier visited the church at dawn.
http://www.mccannfiles.com/id290.html
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I've read somewhere that the excuse why they chose the canadian pastor over the portuguese catholic priest was due to the language. That's a ridiculous excuse, because any catholic priest has at least 5-7 years english language learning. Every catholic priest in Portugal understands at least English, French and Spanish.....and Latin and italian, of course....geeezzz, forgot that
Seems Pacheco didn't understand English, if his statement is correct.
"When questioned, he said he never heard their confessions, perhaps because they only spoke English".
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I noticed that as well, DCI. Alothough of course according to some posters here, all Portuguese are super intelligent, multilingual beings.
I do wonder whether Luz is really appropriate, and may contravene the trandes descriptions act? Maybe Escuro would be better? Because there is bu&&er all light being shed.
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I haven't read anything to substantiate that Father Pacheco ever actually said that he felt the McCanns had "deceived" him in any way.
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I think that originated in teh fertile imagination of a journalist
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I think that originated in teh fertile imagination of a journalist
I think so as well unless anyone can has anything verifiable to the contrary.
Some of these "journalists" should have been on media-contraception pills... But then many may have had deadlines to meet and mouths to feed.