Children wandering off.

[stephen25000]

This is what Danny Collins thinks happened.

Thanks for that Lyall.

[Lyall]

Thanks for that Lyall.

His book is interesting. It's the only one successfully published in the UK - he doesn't say much, but does make it clear he just doesn't believe the abduction from inside the apartment claim. And the book's still on sale (even with Amazon).

[stephen25000]

His book is interesting. It's the only one successfully published in the UK - he doesn't say much, but does make it clear he just doesn't believe the abduction from inside the apartment claim. And the book's still on sale (even with Amazon).

Thanks, I'll have a look at that.

[Lace]

His book is interesting. It's the only one successfully published in the UK - he doesn't say much, but does make it clear he just doesn't believe the abduction from inside the apartment claim. And the book's still on sale (even with Amazon).

So what does he believe happened to Madeleine Lyall?

[Lyall]

So what does he believe happened to Madeleine Lyall?

He thinks she left the apartment herself, and was abducted outside.

[Lyall]

His book was published in 2008, but he sticks to his theory even after publication of Kate's book.

There's a radio interview with him somewhere, in 2012 I think. I'll find the link.

[ferryman]

To give credence ... to the idea that Madeleine could have walked out on her own, you would have to accept that she had gone out the back way, pulling aside the living room curtains and drawing them again, then opening the patio door, the child safety gate at the top of the stairs on the veranda and the little gate to the road and carefully closing all three behind her

Kate McCann

[Lace]

He thinks she left the apartment herself, and was abducted outside.

Gerry saw her at about 10 minutes or so past nine.

Jane saw a man crossing the road with a child at about fifteen minutes past nine. 

Another check was done by a friend of the McCann's   who went up the patio steps.

Then Kate finds Madeleine missing at about 10.

I can't imagine that Madeleine came down those steps in between all this going on and got abducted.    In any case as the expert said she would have been drawn to the lights and noise of the Tapas bar.

It is more likely that the man Jane saw was the abductor.

[Lyall]

Gerry saw her at about 10 minutes or so past nine.

Jane saw a man crossing the road with a child at about fifteen minutes past nine. 

Another check was done by a friend of the McCann's   who went up the patio steps.

Then Kate finds Madeleine missing at about 10.

I can't imagine that Madeleine came down those steps in between all this going on and got abducted.    In any case as the expert said she would have been drawn to the lights and noise of the Tapas bar.

It is more likely that the man Jane saw was the abductor.

You can't imagine Madeleine leaving herself and meeting her fate elsewhere "in between all this going on", yet you're content to believe someone managed to enter the apartment and take her in the same time period?

I'm not content to take that option.

[Lyall]

Here's Mr Collins, speaking in 2012.

http://tunein.com/topic/?topicId=38351661

[Lace]

You can't imagine Madeleine leaving herself and meeting her fate elsewhere "in between all this going on", yet you're content to believe someone managed to enter the apartment and take her in the same time period?

I'm not content to take that option.

I believe someone came in through the front door and abducted Madeleine yes.     I don't think someone would have abducted her from the patio steps as firstly I don't think Madeleine would have wandered off,  what small child closes everything behind them?   and two there was too much activity going on by the patio steps.

[Lyall]

I believe someone came in through the front door and abducted Madeleine yes.     I don't think someone would have abducted her from the patio steps as firstly I don't think Madeleine would have wandered off,  what small child closes everything behind them?   and two there was too much activity going on by the patio steps.

You don't know the gates, curtains and door were closed, either at 10 or at 9.30. You can't take the word of witnesses to be fact.

[Lyall]

If there was a witness outside the group of friends that would be more persuasive, but there isn't.

[Lace]

If there was a witness outside the group of friends that would be more persuasive, but there isn't.

I listened to Mr. Collins Lyall and he has got his facts wrong.    The McCann's didn't admit a week later that the patio doors were open,   Kate McCann in her very first statement with the police said that the Patio doors were open.

If you are going to say well how do you know the gate was shut the patio door was shut etc etc then there is no point debating it is pointless.

[Benice]

I listened to Mr. Collins Lyall and he has got his facts wrong.    The McCann's didn't admit a week later that the patio doors were open,   Kate McCann in her very first statement with the police said that the Patio doors were open.

If you are going to say well how do you know the gate was shut the patio door was shut etc etc then there is no point debating it is pointless.

It's so easy to be a 'sceptic' Lace.   Any claims made by witnesses that don't fit in with their theory - are simply dismissed by immediately casting doubt on the veracity of the witness in question.  It's just a cheap 'cop-out' IMO.