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Alleged Miscarriages of Justice => Jeremy Bamber and the callous murder of his father, mother, sister and twin nephews. Case effectively CLOSED by CCRC on basis of NO APPEAL REFERRAL. => Topic started by: Alice on August 08, 2018, 09:59:24 AM

Title: Why Jeremy maintains his innocence
Post by: Alice on August 08, 2018, 09:59:24 AM
If you ever needed to see why JB continues to bleat his lies of his innocence have a look at todays news. A baby killer convicted in the eighties has apparently been killed by vigilantes in Wales shortly after his release from prison. If Bamber admitted the truth he'd be well advised to stay inside!
Title: Re: Why Jeremy maintains his innocence
Post by: Holly Goodhead on August 08, 2018, 12:51:15 PM
If you ever needed to see why JB continues to bleat his lies of his innocence have a look at todays news. A baby killer convicted in the eighties has apparently been killed by vigilantes in Wales shortly after his release from prison. If Bamber admitted the truth he'd be well advised to stay inside!

If JB confessed to the crime hitherto denied it's extremely unlikely he would ever be released but he would certainly have to watch his back inside! 

The fact he denies the crime doesn't influence my belief in his innocence. 
Title: Re: Why Jeremy maintains his innocence
Post by: Real justice on August 08, 2018, 05:32:45 PM
If you ever needed to see why JB continues to bleat his lies of his innocence have a look at todays news. A baby killer convicted in the eighties has apparently been killed by vigilantes in Wales shortly after his release from prison. If Bamber admitted the truth he'd be well advised to stay inside!
Psychopaths don’t admit guilt Alice, they don’t feel any remorse and they always blame other people.  He will never admit guilt because he will lose control over his army of admirers.  Bamber’s not coming out even if he admits guilt so he’s nothing to gain. 
Title: Re: Why Jeremy maintains his innocence
Post by: Alice on August 08, 2018, 07:06:11 PM
I thought that if he admitted the crime and showed remorse he would be considered for release? I agree he's definitely a psychopath who can see no wrong or fault in himself. Maybe he's convinced himself with the lies he's told for so long and actually considers himself innocent?
Title: Re: Why Jeremy maintains his innocence
Post by: Caroline on August 08, 2018, 09:58:47 PM
I thought that if he admitted the crime and showed remorse he would be considered for release? I agree he's definitely a psychopath who can see no wrong or fault in himself. Maybe he's convinced himself with the lies he's told for so long and actually considers himself innocent?

No, he's on a whole life tariff.

I think he knows he's guilty which is why he's selective on the questions he answers.
Title: Re: Why Jeremy maintains his innocence
Post by: Real justice on August 08, 2018, 10:17:52 PM
I thought that if he admitted the crime and showed remorse he would be considered for release? I agree he's definitely a psychopath who can see no wrong or fault in himself. Maybe he's convinced himself with the lies he's told for so long and actually considers himself innocent?
Even if he admitted Alice he wouldn’t come out, he’s on a whole life tariff without the possibility of parole, this was changed in 1994 by the Home Secretary.
Title: Re: Why Jeremy maintains his innocence
Post by: Real justice on August 08, 2018, 10:34:23 PM
I thought that if he admitted the crime and showed remorse he would be considered for release? I agree he's definitely a psychopath who can see no wrong or fault in himself. Maybe he's convinced himself with the lies he's told for so long and actually considers himself innocent?
His only chance Alice is to say nothing and keep appealing, supporters take the view because he hasn’t admitted to his crime,  he must be innocent  *%87
I think your right, he has convinced himself he is innocent and it needed to be done, coupled with the fact the police lost a lot of ground early in the investigation and he probably knows some things didn’t happen the way it’s supposed to have happened, this will reinforce in his mind that he’s innocent.
Title: Re: Why Jeremy maintains his innocence
Post by: John on August 11, 2018, 01:05:48 PM
His only chance Alice is to say nothing and keep appealing, supporters take the view because he hasn’t admitted to his crime,  he must be innocent  *%87
I think your right, he has convinced himself he is innocent and it needed to be done, coupled with the fact the police lost a lot of ground early in the investigation and he probably knows some things didn’t happen the way it’s supposed to have happened, this will reinforce in his mind that he’s innocent.

After a number of years in prison reality becomes a bit of a blur and as Jeremy has been incarcerated for almost 33 years he will almost certainly be institutionalised with all that that brings with it. I fear there is very little that he can do now other than admit his guilt and pray that the parole board cut him some slack further down the line.
Title: Re: Why Jeremy maintains his innocence
Post by: Real justice on August 11, 2018, 01:47:08 PM
After a number of years in prison reality becomes a bit of a blur and as Jeremy has been incarcerated for almost 33 years he will almost certainly be institutionalised with all that that brings with it. I fear there is very little that he can do now other than admit his guilt and pray that the parole board cut him some slack further down the line.
In theory your right John, but both will never happen.  Psychopaths cannot show any weakness or substantial blame for anything that’s happened.  At the moment he’s still got a little control, his supporters and the very few in prison that might believe him, Confess and he loses everything, I say everything because I don’t think he would ever be put up for parole, the change would have to come from the Home Secretary I would have thought?
Title: Re: Why Jeremy maintains his innocence
Post by: puglove on August 12, 2018, 12:34:20 AM
After a number of years in prison reality becomes a bit of a blur and as Jeremy has been incarcerated for almost 33 years he will almost certainly be institutionalised with all that that brings with it. I fear there is very little that he can do now other than admit his guilt and pray that the parole board cut him some slack further down the line.

I used to think that Bamber would reach a certain age and admit defeat and his guilt, but as Justice points out, it wouldn't help him and his life wouldn't be worth living. His brain must be scrambled, and his physical health is poor. He uses and despises his small band of supporters. I just resent any resources wasted on him, when they could be put to better use, he's always been the ultimate parasite.
Title: Re: Why Jeremy maintains his innocence
Post by: Real justice on August 12, 2018, 07:41:11 AM
I used to think that Bamber would reach a certain age and admit defeat and his guilt, but as Justice points out, it wouldn't help him and his life wouldn't be worth living. His brain must be scrambled, and his physical health is poor. He uses and despises his small band of supporters. I just resent any resources wasted on him, when they could be put to better use, he's always been the ultimate parasite.
I couldn’t agree more Puglove  8@??)(
Title: Re: Why Jeremy maintains his innocence
Post by: ActualMat on August 12, 2018, 03:52:34 PM
I used to think that Bamber would reach a certain age and admit defeat and his guilt, but as Justice points out, it wouldn't help him and his life wouldn't be worth living. His brain must be scrambled, and his physical health is poor. He uses and despises his small band of supporters. I just resent any resources wasted on him, when they could be put to better use, he's always been the ultimate parasite.

That's a good point, innocent or guilty he will be a shell of other men of his age on the outside - mentally and physcially he's been damaged by all his years inside.

When you think about the people who write to him and are on his phone list - and realise that he has this and his tiny cell, and that's it in his life....

Title: Re: Why Jeremy maintains his innocence
Post by: Holly Goodhead on August 13, 2018, 10:21:40 AM
Nelson Mandela was imprisoned for 27 years.  Upon release he was far from broken.  

Humans are highly adaptive.  JB's cat A prison life will be as normal to him as our lives are to us.   

Many have seemingly everything and yet suffer depression eg the late Duke of Westminster, Gerald Grosvenor.  

How would we know what JB has?  He might have a rich inner life akin to David in his bedroom or a Buddhist monk in a temple!    
Title: Re: Why Jeremy maintains his innocence
Post by: Myster on August 13, 2018, 12:58:45 PM
Aaaaah... now we know where you ended up!  Teaching him some gun yoga no doubt

See, I'm no duck egg!!!
Title: Re: Why Jeremy maintains his innocence
Post by: Holly Goodhead on August 13, 2018, 01:34:48 PM
Aaaaah... now we know where you ended up!  Teaching him some gun yoga no doubt

See, I'm no duck egg!!!

David's bedroom is strictly a sanctuary for 'forensic evidence breakthroughs'!
Title: Re: Why Jeremy maintains his innocence
Post by: IndigoJ on August 13, 2018, 07:29:40 PM
Nelson Mandela was imprisoned for 27 years.  Upon release he was far from broken. 

Humans are highly adaptive.  JB's cat A prison life will be as normal to him as our lives are to us.   

Many have seemingly everything and yet suffer depression eg the late Duke of Westminster, Gerald Grosvenor. 

How would we know what JB has?  He might have a rich inner life akin to David in his bedroom or a Buddhist monk in a temple!   

good point  , also from what i have read JB has kept himself educated and physically fit ,

btw who is "David" ?
Title: Re: Why Jeremy maintains his innocence
Post by: Myster on August 13, 2018, 08:00:18 PM
I have it on good authority that he's Tom Cruise in disguise!  8((()*/
Title: Re: Why Jeremy maintains his innocence
Post by: Myster on August 13, 2018, 08:03:09 PM
... or Brad Pitt.
Title: Re: Why Jeremy maintains his innocence
Post by: Myster on August 13, 2018, 08:06:07 PM
... or whatever crappy B-movie actor he decides to look-a-like next.   8(8-))
Title: Re: Why Jeremy maintains his innocence
Post by: Caroline on August 13, 2018, 08:13:35 PM
I have it on good authority that he's Tom Cruise in disguise!  8((()*/

His authority?  @)(++(*
Title: Re: Why Jeremy maintains his innocence
Post by: Real justice on August 13, 2018, 09:21:25 PM
Nelson Mandela was imprisoned for 27 years.  Upon release he was far from broken. 

Humans are highly adaptive.  JB's cat A prison life will be as normal to him as our lives are to us.   

Many have seemingly everything and yet suffer depression eg the late Duke of Westminster, Gerald Grosvenor. 

How would we know what JB has?  He might have a rich inner life akin to David in his bedroom or a Buddhist monk in a temple!   
Nelson Mandela’s time in prison was a lot different to Bamber’s, he called it a long holiday he even had a swimming pool and visitors whenever he wanted and he was innocent.  Bamber had to face upto being caught out and psychopaths don’t like being told what to do, he’s not top dog in prison there’s people that can match him.

Having said that, I recently watched a video of Stephen Downing, he spent 27years for a crime he didn’t commit, if he had pleaded guilty he would have been out after 17 years, he looked full of life and was learning to drive.

Have you finished the book yet?  The secret Barrister?  Any good Holly?
Title: Re: Why Jeremy maintains his innocence
Post by: Holly Goodhead on August 14, 2018, 09:19:28 AM
... or whatever crappy B-movie actor he decides to look-a-like next.   8(8-))

I didn't see a likeness. 

He's not a bad lad though mentally or physically. 
Title: Re: Why Jeremy maintains his innocence
Post by: Holly Goodhead on August 14, 2018, 09:42:22 AM
Nelson Mandela’s time in prison was a lot different to Bamber’s, he called it a long holiday he even had a swimming pool and visitors whenever he wanted and he was innocent.  Bamber had to face upto being caught out and psychopaths don’t like being told what to do, he’s not top dog in prison there’s people that can match him.

Having said that, I recently watched a video of Stephen Downing, he spent 27years for a crime he didn’t commit, if he had pleaded guilty he would have been out after 17 years, he looked full of life and was learning to drive.

Have you finished the book yet?  The secret Barrister?  Any good Holly?

Yes Nelson Mandela was a political prisoner of sorts and intelligent in a way JB perhaps isn't. 

Some seem to emerge from MoJ's relatively unscathed others are broken. 

There's no evidence JB is/was a psychopath or has ever been diagnosed with any personality disorder/mental illness. 

My track record of finishing books isn't good.  I was attracted to it by the section on appeals.  I did notice references to Stefan Kiszko with his surname misspelt which didn't impress me. 
Title: Re: Why Jeremy maintains his innocence
Post by: Caroline on August 14, 2018, 03:07:00 PM
Yes Nelson Mandela was a political prisoner of sorts and intelligent in a way JB perhaps isn't. 

Some seem to emerge from MoJ's relatively unscathed others are broken. 

There's no evidence JB is/was a psychopath or has ever been diagnosed with any personality disorder/mental illness. 

My track record of finishing books isn't good.  I was attracted to it by the section on appeals.  I did notice references to Stefan Kiszko with his surname misspelt which didn't impress me.

I think his crime is evidence of it.
Title: Re: Why Jeremy maintains his innocence
Post by: IndigoJ on August 14, 2018, 06:41:45 PM
I have it on good authority that he's Tom Cruise in disguise!  8((()*/

fine dont tell me then
Title: Re: Why Jeremy maintains his innocence
Post by: IndigoJ on August 14, 2018, 06:43:23 PM
If you ever needed to see why JB continues to bleat his lies of his innocence have a look at todays news. A baby killer convicted in the eighties has apparently been killed by vigilantes in Wales shortly after his release from prison. If Bamber admitted the truth he'd be well advised to stay inside!

its a tricky one because  I know from knowledge of another case that guilty people can get fixated on trying to prove that they are innocent , they will pour over every single detail of their cases in the hope of getting out on appeal , so for me the fact JB says he is innocent doesn't convince me, it would have to be actual evidence that would convince me
Title: Re: Why Jeremy maintains his innocence
Post by: Caroline on August 14, 2018, 06:57:02 PM
its a tricky one because  I know from knowledge of another case that guilty people can get fixated on trying to prove that they are innocent , they will pour over every single detail of their cases in the hope of getting out on appeal , so for me the fact JB says he is innocent doesn't convince me, it would have to be actual evidence that would convince me

That's exactly what he does.
Title: Re: Why Jeremy maintains his innocence
Post by: Real justice on August 14, 2018, 06:59:55 PM
I used to think that Bamber would reach a certain age and admit defeat and his guilt, but as Justice points out, it wouldn't help him and his life wouldn't be worth living. His brain must be scrambled, and his physical health is poor. He uses and despises his small band of supporters. I just resent any resources wasted on him, when they could be put to better use, he's always been the ultimate parasite.
Aunt Agatha confirms this Puglove, she has known and visited him for 20 years.

I have known Jeremy for over 20 years.  Both his mental and emotional health have deteriorated (which is without judgement but a fact, due to his imprisonment and age).

Then this from Daisy

On the point of Jeremy's health he is not a well man.  He has several serious health problems and is in constant pain.  He has also lost a lot of weight (intentionally or not I don't kinow).  Whatever our differences have been I feel he should be released on compassionate grounds
Title: Re: Why Jeremy maintains his innocence
Post by: Myster on August 14, 2018, 07:01:47 PM
fine dont tell me then
Blimey Indigo!... look at the avatar pics on blue.
Title: Re: Why Jeremy maintains his innocence
Post by: IndigoJ on August 14, 2018, 07:12:56 PM
Blimey Indigo!... look at the avatar pics on blue.

ok i found a David in the member list, ahh i see now , it is Tom Cruise in An Officer and A Gentleman!
Title: Re: Why Jeremy maintains his innocence
Post by: Real justice on August 14, 2018, 07:13:05 PM
good point  , also from what i have read JB has kept himself educated and physically fit ,

btw who is "David" ?
Hes on the blue forum Indigoj, he used to post on here as well, his avitar is Tom Cruise
Title: Re: Why Jeremy maintains his innocence
Post by: APRIL on August 14, 2018, 07:24:52 PM
ok i found a David in the member list, ahh i see now , it is Tom Cruise in An Officer and A Gentleman!

Which, although he may see himself as such, certainly ISN'T an apt description of David *&^^&
Title: Re: Why Jeremy maintains his innocence
Post by: John on August 16, 2018, 11:00:24 AM
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Title: Re: Why Jeremy maintains his innocence
Post by: Nicholas on August 16, 2018, 06:55:29 PM
If you ever needed to see why JB continues to bleat his lies of his innocence have a look at todays news. A baby killer convicted in the eighties has apparently been killed by vigilantes in Wales shortly after his release from prison. If Bamber admitted the truth he'd be well advised to stay inside!

Jeremy Bamber is a coward. He maintains his innocence through fear from other inmates but also because he requires a constant source of narcisstic supply.

Although his supporters remain in denial about his quite apparent psychopathy the prison authorities and associated agencies don't; hence his full life tariff.

And some of his supporters project their own flawed character traits on to his victims
http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,9566.msg445376.html#msg445376
Title: Re: Why Jeremy maintains his innocence
Post by: John on August 18, 2018, 09:22:26 PM
Jeremy Bamber is a coward. He maintains his innocence through fear from other inmates but also because he requires a constant source of narcisstic supply.

Although his supporters remain in denial about his quite apparent psychopathy the prison authorities and associated agencies don't; hence his full life tariff.

And some of his supporters project their own flawed character traits on to his victims
http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,9566.msg445376.html#msg445376

Could be that Jeremy Bamber is so disgusted and traumatized by what he did that he has blocked it out to become a repressed memory.
Title: Re: Why Jeremy maintains his innocence
Post by: Caroline on August 18, 2018, 10:14:57 PM
Could be that Jeremy Bamber is so disgusted and traumatized by what he did that he has blocked it out to become a repressed memory.

That being the case, he wouldn't be careful about answering questions. I think he knows full well.
Title: Re: Why Jeremy maintains his innocence
Post by: IndigoJ on August 19, 2018, 07:28:53 PM
Jeremy Bamber is a coward. He maintains his innocence through fear from other inmates but also because he requires a constant source of narcisstic supply.

Although his supporters remain in denial about his quite apparent psychopathy the prison authorities and associated agencies don't; hence his full life tariff.

And some of his supporters project their own flawed character traits on to his victims
http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,9566.msg445376.html#msg445376

I think he is more likely a sociapath if guilty, and did they say he got the full life due to psychopathy or is that just your opinion?
Title: Re: Why Jeremy maintains his innocence
Post by: APRIL on August 19, 2018, 08:11:41 PM
I think he is more likely a sociapath if guilty, and did they say he got the full life due to psychopathy or is that just your opinion?

The sentencing judge handed down -I think- a minimum of 25 years with the rider that it remained to be seen whether it was ever considered safe to release him, so there must always have been a question mark about an end of sentence date. He probably thought he'd be out before then.
Title: Re: Why Jeremy maintains his innocence
Post by: Angelo222 on August 20, 2018, 12:30:58 PM
The sentencing judge handed down -I think- a minimum of 25 years with the rider that it remained to be seen whether it was ever considered safe to release him, so there must always have been a question mark about an end of sentence date. He probably thought he'd be out before then.

He is still deemed dangerous by all accounts so I don't see him being released any time soon.  If he could murder his adoptive father, mother, sister and twin nephews he is capable of anything.  The extended family would not feel safe if Jeremy Bamber were ever released.  If he hated them back in 1985, what will he be like now after spending 33 years banged up?
Title: Re: Why Jeremy maintains his innocence
Post by: Caroline on August 20, 2018, 01:08:05 PM
He is still deemed dangerous by all accounts so I don't see him being released any time soon.  If he could murder his adoptive father, mother, sister and twin nephews he is capable of anything.  The extended family would not feel safe if Jeremy Bamber were ever released.  If he hated them back in 1985, what will he be like now after spending 33 years banged up?

There is no way he would be released, he hsn't even admitted guilty yet.
Title: Re: Why Jeremy maintains his innocence
Post by: Nicholas on August 20, 2018, 06:36:06 PM
There is no way he would be released, he hsn't even admitted guilty yet.

It seems to me Jeremy Bambers campaign team (and handful of supporters) don't appear to have taken into consideration the vast amount of intelleigence the police and prison service have on him from the point of his arrest to date.

His prison security files will all support his psychopathic personality

Maybe past and present campaign team members would be willing to come forward and be open about some of the numerous dramas Bamber has been resposible for over the years.
Title: Re: Why Jeremy maintains his innocence
Post by: Nicholas on August 20, 2018, 06:38:38 PM
I think he is more likely a sociapath if guilty, and did they say he got the full life due to psychopathy or is that just your opinion?

Based on my experience, he's a psychopath!

It would be interesting to see what his campaign team and supporters have dug up in relation to his biological family background/dynamics etc..
Title: Re: Why Jeremy maintains his innocence
Post by: Nicholas on August 29, 2018, 09:35:04 AM
I don't believe Jeremy Bamber has buried his heneous crimes in the recesses of his mind; he recalls full well what he did that night inside White House Farm 30 plus years ago and how he slaughtered his family; including 2 sleeping little boys.

George Burch is another murderer not dissimilar to Bamber who attempted to blame someone else and who maintains innocence and has sworn to never admit to what he did to his victim.

Another psychopath, like Jeremy Bamber, who is without conscience and will stop at nothing in an attempt to hide his psychopathy https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-rN4GmtIF8M#
Title: Re: Why Jeremy maintains his innocence
Post by: Nicholas on August 29, 2018, 09:53:02 AM
Bamber maintains innocence for power and control
Title: Re: Why Jeremy maintains his innocence
Post by: Caroline on August 29, 2018, 10:29:40 AM
I don't believe Jeremy Bamber has buried his heneous crimes in the recesses of his mind; he recalls full well what he did that night inside White House Farm 30 plus years ago and how he slaughtered his family; including 2 sleeping little boys.

George Burch is another murderer not dissimilar to Bamber who attempted to blame someone else and who maintains innocence and has sworn to never admit to what he did to his victim.

Another psychopath, like Jeremy Bamber, who is without conscience and will stop at nothing in an attempt to hide his psychopathy https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-rN4GmtIF8M#

I agree Steph, I think he knows exactly what he did or he wouldn't lie.
Title: Re: Why Jeremy maintains his innocence
Post by: Nicholas on August 29, 2018, 01:56:12 PM
I agree Steph, I think he knows exactly what he did or he wouldn't lie.

Bamber doesn't care that he murdered his family.

His pathological lying doesn't phase him. He's out to win at any cost.

His psychopathy shows through in what he writes in his letters, his blogs and the way he behaves.
Title: Re: Why Jeremy maintains his innocence
Post by: Nicholas on May 02, 2019, 09:59:31 AM
Having said that, I recently watched a video of Stephen Downing, he spent 27years for a crime he didn’t commit, if he had pleaded guilty he would have been out after 17 years, he looked full of life and was learning to drive.
Have you finished the book yet?  The secret Barrister?  Any good Holly?

He remains the prime suspect. Again, no evidence he didn’t commit the crime.