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Disappeared and Abducted Children and Young Adults => Madeleine McCann (3) disappeared from her parent's holiday apartment at Ocean Club, Praia da Luz, Portugal on 3 May 2007. No trace of her has ever been found. => Topic started by: faithlilly on October 09, 2018, 07:18:22 PM
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On another thread it was mentioned that Madeleine spending Christmas alone with her grandmother may have been the catalyst for this question from the PJ.
41 --- Asked whether or not it is true that in England she was thinking to deliver MADELEINE into the custody [guardianship] of a family member, she did not respond.
This assumption seems to have come from an interview in the Daily Record with Madeleine’s Scottish grandmother in which she said
“When she was two, Madeleine spent Christmas at my house and it was lovely.
"The next year, the family came up for New Year but on Christmas Day Madeleine called and said she'd got a kitchen from Santa. She was very excited and said 'I'm going to make some tea'."
For me it’s obvious that Mrs McCann only mentioned Madeleine because that’s who she was specifically asked about. There is nothing to suggest that Madeleine’s parents and siblings weren’t there too.
That being said there is no way that this could have possibly been the catalyst for question 41.
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On another thread it was mentioned that Madeleine spending Christmas alone with her grandmother may have been the catalyst for this question from the PJ.
41 --- Asked whether or not it is true that in England she was thinking to deliver MADELEINE into the custody [guardianship] of a family member, she did not respond.
This assumption seems to have come from an interview in the Daily Record with Madeleine’s Scottish grandmother in which she said
“When she was two, Madeleine spent Christmas at my house and it was lovely.
"The next year, the family came up for New Year but on Christmas Day Madeleine called and said she'd got a kitchen from Santa. She was very excited and said 'I'm going to make some tea'."
For me it’s obvious that Mrs McCann only mentioned Madeleine because that’s who she was specifically asked about. There is nothing to suggest that Madeleine’s parents and siblings weren’t there too.
That being said there is no way that this could have possibly been the catalyst for question 41.
Who knows what The Portuguese Investigation misunderstood.
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Who knows what The Portuguese Investigation misunderstood.
Or what they didn’t.
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Or what they didn’t.
This is true. It was all a bit of a mess.
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Maybe, maybe not. Has OG done much better?
They've certainly ticked a lot of boxes and flown a lot of air miles but are they any nearer a solution?
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Okay. Let's take this seriously. Is there any suggestion that The McCanns wished to pass Madeleine to someone else to raise?
Saying that any such suggestion hasn't been documented simply will not do.
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Okay. Let's take this seriously. Is there any suggestion that The McCanns wished to pass Madeleine to someone else to raise?
Saying that any such suggestion hasn't been documented simply will not do.
It’s unlikely that such a suggestion would have emanted from the McCanns themselves, so who came forward to tell the PJ that the McCanns planned to give Madeleine up to someone else to raise and why is this information not in the files?
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It’s unlikely that such a suggestion would have emanted from the McCanns themselves, so who came forward to tell the PJ that the McCanns planned to give Madeleine up to someone else to raise and why is this information not in the files?
Perhaps a comment was made to the Leicester-shire police, rather than the PJ
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Perhaps a comment was made to the Leicester-shire police, rather than the PJ
By whom?
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It’s unlikely that such a suggestion would have emanted from the McCanns themselves, so who came forward to tell the PJ that the McCanns planned to give Madeleine up to someone else to raise and why is this information not in the files?
Why should it be in the files? What evidence do you have it is not on the files........did you go to Portimao Court with Brietta to read the files?
Alternatively some public spirited citizen may have phoned Crimestoppers, which as I understand it remains anonymous. Then by some circuitous route involving a British police force on to the PJ.
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Okay. Let's take this seriously. Is there any suggestion that The McCanns wished to pass Madeleine to someone else to raise?
Saying that any such suggestion hasn't been documented simply will not do.
Did she have 3 kids under 4 and working full time and then come home to do the cooking etc. - I don't blame her if she felt a bit stressed.
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By whom?
A friend, a neighbour, a family member, Social Services - who knows ? If it happened.
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Why should it be in the files? What evidence do you have it is not on the files........did you go to Portimao Court with Brietta to read the files?
Alternatively some public spirited citizen may have phoned Crimestoppers, which as I understand it remains anonymous. Then by some circuitous route involving a British police force on to the PJ.
Strange that Amaral omitted such a potentially relevant detail out of his damning book.
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Did she have 3 kids under 4 and working full time and then come home to do the cooking etc. - I don't blame her if she felt a bit stressed.
If you have three children....... you have three children...
Children don't ask to come....you have them....
In kgmcc case, they went the extra mile to have them.....
To not want one of them with you at Christmas is terrible ...there is no..no excuse...
my post is in my opinion........
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If you have three children....... you have three children...
Children don't ask to come....you have them....
In kgmcc case, they went the extra mile to have them.....
To not want one of them with you at Christmas is terrible ...there is no..no excuse...
my post is in my opinion........
Is that what happened then? Madeleine cast out by her parents over Christmas? I must admit this is news to me.
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It’s unlikely that such a suggestion would have emanted from the McCanns themselves, so who came forward to tell the PJ that the McCanns planned to give Madeleine up to someone else to raise and why is this information not in the files?
The information from a family member to the FCO doesn’t seem to be in the files either.
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Is that what happened then? Madeleine cast out by her parents over Christmas? I must admit this is news to me.
It appears to be a misunderstanding.
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It appears to be a misunderstanding.
So you don’t think the info given to the FCo by a family member was to tell them the McCanns decided not to spend a Christmas with Madeleine?
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So you don’t think the info given to the FCo by a family member was to tell them the McCanns decided not to spend a Christmas with Madeleine?
No. Why would you think I did ?
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No. Why would you think I did ?
Just asking. What is the point of starting this thread if it was according to you just a misunderstanding?
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Just asking. What is the point of starting this thread if it was according to you just a misunderstanding?
Somewhat with my assistance. I suspect that Faith's comment was tongue in cheek, due to a comment I made on another Thread.
The question was asked by The PJ Investigation, and is a point worth discussing.
And I would so like just one Thread to be conducted without animosity.
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Just asking. What is the point of starting this thread if it was according to you just a misunderstanding?
A misunderstanding? I’m not sure what you mean.
It would appear that everal supporters think that Kate was asked question 41 in her arguido interview because Madeleine had spent Christmas seperated from her family. They seem to base this on a quote in the Daily Record from Gerry’s mum. The quote however as been misinterpreted.
So if Madeleine didn’t spend Christmas without her family what prompted the PJ’s question ?
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A misunderstanding? I’m not sure what you mean.
It would appear that everal supporters think that Kate was asked question 41 in her arguido interview because Madeleine had spent Christmas seperated from her family. They seem to base this on a quote in the Daily Record from Gerry’s mum. The quote however as been misinterpreted.
So if Madeleine didn’t spend Christmas without her family what prompted the PJ’s question ?
You used the wrd “misunderstanding “earlier to answer the question you posed in the thread title. That’s what I meant. I am a supporter and until today was not aware that “several supporters” claimed Madeleine spent one of her Christmases separated from her family. Do you have a cite for your claim? As for what prompted the PJ’s question, who knows? Perhaps it was another misunderstanding? As you suggest, they do happen.
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You used the wrd “misunderstanding “earlier to answer the question you posed in the thread title. That’s what I meant. I am a supporter and until today was not aware that “several supporters” claimed Madeleine spent one of her Christmases separated from her family. Do you have a cite for your claim? As for what prompted the PJ’s question, who knows? Perhaps it was another misunderstanding? As you suggest, they do happen.
Ah I see what you mean. The quote attributed to Eileen McCann was misunderstood imo.
As to supporters I have provided the name DCI on another thread as a supporter who misunderstood what Madeleine’s grandmother meant.
As to the question being a misunderstanding by the PJ it seems a pretty specific question for it to be the product of a misunderstanding.
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You used the wrd “misunderstanding “earlier to answer the question you posed in the thread title. That’s what I meant. I am a supporter and until today was not aware that “several supporters” claimed Madeleine spent one of her Christmases separated from her family. Do you have a cite for your claim? As for what prompted the PJ’s question, who knows? Perhaps it was another misunderstanding? As you suggest, they do happen.
I made that original comment, VS.
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Ah I see what you mean. The quote attributed to Eileen McCann was misunderstood imo.
As to supporters I have provided the name DCI on another thread as a supporter who misunderstood what Madeleine’s grandmother meant.
As to the question being a misunderstanding by the PJ it seems a pretty specific question for it to be the product of a misunderstanding.
So, that’s one supporter who no longer posts here. OK. As for your second point, it is quite possible that the PJ misunderstood what they were told, or think they were told. We know sometimes things get twisted in translation and we also know that whatever it was, wasn’t considered important enough for Amaral to mention in his book, as far as I can recall.
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I made that original comment, VS.
Fair enough, and Eleanor makes two. But as I said earlier, it’s the first I’ve heard of it and I’ve been following the case since 2007.
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So, that’s one supporter who no longer posts here. OK. As for your second point, it is quite possible that the PJ misunderstood what they were told, or think they were told. We know sometimes things get twisted in translation and we also know that whatever it was, wasn’t considered important enough for Amaral to mention in his book, as far as I can recall.
Did Amaral give the reasoning behind every question asked in the arguido interviews in his book ?
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Fair enough, and Eleanor makes two. But as I said earlier, it’s the first I’ve heard of it and I’ve been following the case since 2007.
You know what they say VS, every day’s a school day !
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Fair enough, and Eleanor makes two. But as I said earlier, it’s the first I’ve heard of it and I’ve been following the case since 2007.
I think the question was asked because The PJ were looking for a reason to suggest that Kate wanted rid of Madeleine.
These lists of questions are usually compiled by a psychologist, and designed to trap a suspect into giving themselves away.
If the suspect refuses to answer, as is their right, then a question mark is always left hanging and open to interpretation.
I would not have answered those question.
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Did Amaral give the reasoning behind every question asked in the arguido interviews in his book ?
No, but if the PJ had received information to the effect that the McCanns wanted shot of Madeleine why would he not mention it in his book, the book in which he tried his damnedest to convince the reader that the McCanns disposed of their child’s body?
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You know what they say VS, every day’s a school day !
Every day is like playtime in the schoolyard more like.
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No, but if the PJ had received information to the effect that the McCanns wanted shot of Madeleine why would he not mention it in his book, the book in which he tried his damnedest to convince the reader that the McCanns disposed of their child’s body?
I have no idea though as I haven’t read the whole of his book, as I suspect neither have you, I’m not even sure he didn’t mention it,.
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On another thread it was mentioned that Madeleine spending Christmas alone with her grandmother may have been the catalyst for this question from the PJ.
41 --- Asked whether or not it is true that in England she was thinking to deliver MADELEINE into the custody [guardianship] of a family member, she did not respond.
This assumption seems to have come from an interview in the Daily Record with Madeleine’s Scottish grandmother in which she said
“When she was two, Madeleine spent Christmas at my house and it was lovely.
"The next year, the family came up for New Year but on Christmas Day Madeleine called and said she'd got a kitchen from Santa. She was very excited and said 'I'm going to make some tea'."
For me it’s obvious that Mrs McCann only mentioned Madeleine because that’s who she was specifically asked about. There is nothing to suggest that Madeleine’s parents and siblings weren’t there too.
That being said there is no way that this could have possibly been the catalyst for question 41.
In my opinion there was a specific reason for questions such as these;
39. Are the twins difficult to get to sleep? Are they restless and does that cause you uneasiness?
40. Is it true that sometimes you despaired with your children’s behaviour and that left you feeling very uneasy?
41. Is it true that in England you even considered handing over Madeleine’s custody to a relative?
The PJ took Kate's diaries, but weren't allowed to enter them as evidence. According to rumour, however, the diaries contained information which suggested that she found life difficult with three small children.
Portuguese newspapers are claiming to have seen Kate McCann's diary and have published what they say are extracts.
Kate is alleged to have moaned about her missing daughter in her diary and the lack of help she gets from her husband with domestic chores and bringing up their three kids.
Portuguese tabloid Correio da Manha headlined its front page today: "Kate insults her children in her diary." It claimed on an inside page: "She complains frequently that her children are 'hysterical' and speaks of Madeleine as a child whose excess activity exhausts her.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-481645/McCanns-facing-fresh-slurs-Portuguese-press-Kates-diaries.html
If Kate McCann wrote those things in her diary then they could have triggered those particular questions.
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This thread is interesting as it shows some posters views on whether Madeleine did spend Christmas 2005 with her grandmother
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=2105.60
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No, but if the PJ had received information to the effect that the McCanns wanted shot of Madeleine why would he not mention it in his book, the book in which he tried his damnedest to convince the reader that the McCanns disposed of their child’s body?
In my opinion, he didn't mention it in his book ...because it wasn't about slagging the parents off.......
it was about finding the truth what happened to maddie....
obviously, it may have been covered at a later date by him.....
but unfortunately, he was removed...
Kate is alleged to have moaned about her missing daughter in her diary and the lack of help she gets from her husband with domestic chores and bringing up their three kids.
Portuguese tabloid Correio da Manha headlined its front page today: "Kate insults her children in her diary." It claimed on an inside page: "She complains frequently that her children are 'hysterical' and speaks of Madeleine as a child whose excess activity exhausts her.
"She tells also how Gerry doesn't help her with the family chores and that she has to cope alone with her two youngest children."
kmcc....never mentioned any of that in her book did she...
gmcc was portrayed as a saint ........in my opinion.....
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I have no idea though as I haven’t read the whole of his book, as I suspect neither have you, I’m not even sure he didn’t mention it,.
Over the years I probably have read all of it, and I certainly don’t recall him stating that a family member had come forward to claim the McCanns wanted shot of Madeleine.
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It does make yous wonder....after what kmcc put in her dairy...
the way she described her children...
how they all could be put to bed no problem ...at the same time...
if maddie was sent to grandmas....
wouldn't it have made more sense for grandma to go to there's....
as G-Unit said there must have been a valid reason ...for these questions ....
39. Are the twins difficult to get to sleep? Are they restless and does that cause you uneasiness?
40. Is it true that sometimes you despaired with your children’s behaviour and that left you feeling very uneasy?
41. Is it true that in England you even considered handing over Madeleine’s custody to a relative?
post in my opinion...
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Strange that Amaral omitted such a potentially relevant detail out of his damning book.
Why do you say it is strange?
That is scarcely a definitive comment is it?
What has Sr Amaral's book to do with whether or not Madeleine McCann spent Christmas alone with her granny?
Just asking questions like.
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Why do you say it is strange?
That is scarcely a definitive comment is it?
What has Sr Amarals book have to do with whether or not Madeleine McCann spent Christmas alone with her granny?
Just asking questions like.
If you care to follow the thread of the conversation back, you will see that the first comment of mine you chose to attack was in response to Eleanor writing:
“Is there any suggestion that The McCanns wished to pass Madeleine to someone else to raise?”
That is what I have been commenting on, and continue to consider it odd that had some family member come forward with this extraordinary claim that Amaral failed to mention it in “The Truth Of The Lie” seeing as how it would be a pretty damning piece of evidence. Now, you may think this is stupidity and ignorance on my part, but it would be helpful if you could explain why, rather than simply heaping contempt on all of my posts as is your wont.
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On another thread it was mentioned that Madeleine spending Christmas alone with her grandmother may have been the catalyst for this question from the PJ.
41 --- Asked whether or not it is true that in England she was thinking to deliver MADELEINE into the custody [guardianship] of a family member, she did not respond.
This assumption seems to have come from an interview in the Daily Record with Madeleine’s Scottish grandmother in which she said
“When she was two, Madeleine spent Christmas at my house and it was lovely.
"The next year, the family came up for New Year but on Christmas Day Madeleine called and said she'd got a kitchen from Santa. She was very excited and said 'I'm going to make some tea'."
For me it’s obvious that Mrs McCann only mentioned Madeleine because that’s who she was specifically asked about. There is nothing to suggest that Madeleine’s parents and siblings weren’t there too.
That being said there is no way that this could have possibly been the catalyst for question 41.
On that other thread I posted that the McCanns had a relative in Canada ,Mrs Healy’s sister, who was visiting the UK at the time and accompanied her to Portugal after news broke of Madeleine’s disappearance .
Regarding Madeleine’s visit to Scotland , I’ve always been under the impression that it was her alone,after the twins came along . It must have been said somewhere .
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On that other thread I posted that the McCanns had a relative in Canada ,Mrs Healy’s sister, who was visiting the UK at the time and accompanied her to Portugal after news broke of Madeleine’s disappearance .
Regarding Madeleine’s visit to Scotland , I’ve always been under the impression that it was her alone,after the twins came along . It must have been said somewhere .
It has been said Snowgirl by supporters and sceptics alike to fit their own personal agendas.
Supporters use it to explain the reasoning behind question 41 in Kate’s arguido interview. Sceptics use it to show what uncaring parents the McCanns were. However if you read the quote Eileen McCann is being asked specifically about Madeleine so answers in the same vein.
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In my opinion, he didn't mention it in his book ...because it wasn't about slagging the parents off.......
it was about finding the truth what happened to maddie....
obviously, it may have been covered at a later date by him.....
but unfortunately, he was removed...
Kate is alleged to have moaned about her missing daughter in her diary and the lack of help she gets from her husband with domestic chores and bringing up their three kids.
Portuguese tabloid Correio da Manha headlined its front page today: "Kate insults her children in her diary." It claimed on an inside page: "She complains frequently that her children are 'hysterical' and speaks of Madeleine as a child whose excess activity exhausts her.
"She tells also how Gerry doesn't help her with the family chores and that she has to cope alone with her two youngest children."
kmcc....never mentioned any of that in her book did she...
gmcc was portrayed as a saint ........in my opinion.....
When did Kate start writing the diary?
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When did Kate start writing the diary?
Quite some time ago it seems.....long before they went to Portugal....
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Quite some time ago it seems.....long before they went to Portugal....
Kate hadn't kept a diary since her early teens.....page 126 Madeleine hardback.
The PJ had the journal she starting writing, at the suggestion of Hugh from the IFLG at a meeting, AFTER Madeleine went missing.
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Quite some time ago it seems.....long before they went to Portugal....
I think it was around the time Gerry started blogging.
I wonder if it was a private diary just for herself why she explains who Cherie Blair was ?
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I think it was around the time Gerry started blogging.
I wonder if it was a private diary just for herself why she explains who Cherie Blair was ?
Do you have a cite?
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Do you have a cite?
It seems here she is talking of her children as three.....
I can't see them picking something like this out of thin air
Kate's diaries
Last updated at 20:48 13 September 2007
Portuguese newspapers are claiming to have seen Kate McCann's diary and have published what they say are extracts.
Kate is alleged to have moaned about her missing daughter in her diary and the lack of help she gets from her husband with domestic chores and bringing up their three kids.
Portuguese tabloid Correio da Manha headlined its front page today: "Kate insults her children in her diary." It claimed on an inside page: "She complains frequently that her children are 'hysterical' and speaks of Madeleine as a child whose excess activity exhausts her.
"She tells also how Gerry doesn't help her with the family chores and that she has to cope alone with her two youngest children."
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It seems here she is talking of her children as three.....
I can't see them picking something like this out of thin air
Kate's diaries
Last updated at 20:48 13 September 2007
Portuguese newspapers are claiming to have seen Kate McCann's diary and have published what they say are extracts.
Kate is alleged to have moaned about her missing daughter in her diary and the lack of help she gets from her husband with domestic chores and bringing up their three kids.
Portuguese tabloid Correio da Manha headlined its front page today: "Kate insults her children in her diary." It claimed on an inside page: "She complains frequently that her children are 'hysterical' and speaks of Madeleine as a child whose excess activity exhausts her.
"She tells also how Gerry doesn't help her with the family chores and that she has to cope alone with her two youngest children."
I was asking for the cite about Cherie Blair.
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I was asking for the cite about Cherie Blair.
You should have made it clearer at the beginning it was what you wanted cited.
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It has been said Snowgirl by supporters and sceptics alike to fit their own personal agendas.
Supporters use it to explain the reasoning behind question 41 in Kate’s arguido interview. Sceptics use it to show what uncaring parents the McCanns were. However if you read the quote Eileen McCann is being asked specifically about Madeleine so answers in the same vein.
I agree, we can't really take anything negative from this. I am absolutley behind Kate McCann on this one. If kate was exhausted and maybe a touch of PND, there is nothng wrong with letting Maddie spend some or most of the day with grannie. She was only two! The fact that Gerry was a blokey bloke and didn't do 'hands on dad stuff, it must have been an absolute nighmare for Kate. I wholly sympathise with her predicament, and won't condem her for taking breaks and handing all or just MBM over to family for some respite. My mother did that, and she loved us dearly.
It is interesting,how Gerry is playing a lot of tennis, he sends DP to help Kate with the tired children? what no doting dad?, this was quite clear this was a 'Gerry holiday'. Kate didn't want to leave the kids after MBM complained but Gerry said it was OK. He took THAT decision! That is why his 'tearful dad' interview holds no sympathy from me.
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I agree, we can't really take anything negative from this. I am absolutley behind Kate McCann on this one. If kate was exhausted and maybe a touch of PND, there is nothng wrong with letting Maddie spend some or most of the day with grannie. She was only two! The fact that Gerry was a blokey bloke and didn't do 'hands on dad stuff, it must have been an absolute nighmare for Kate. I wholly sympathise with her predicament, and won't condem her for taking breaks and handing all or just MBM over to family for some respite. My mother did that, and she loved us dearly.
It is interesting,how Gerry is playing a lot of tennis, he sends DP to help Kate with the tired children? what no doting dad?, this was quite clear this was a 'Gerry holiday'. Kate didn't want to leave the kids after MBM complained but Gerry said it was OK. He took THAT decision! That is why his 'tearful dad' interview holds no sympathy from me.
Only problem with that is that one grannie lived in Glasgow and the other on in Liverpool.
Bit of a long way for a day trip from Leicesteshire
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Only problem with that is that one grannie lived in Glasgow and the other on in Liverpool.
Bit of a long way for a day trip from Leicesteshire
No, I don't see that as at problem at all. They had family all over Scotland. We don't even know how long Maddie was there staying with Granny. She was only two, and would still be having tantrums and naps lol
I can find plenty faults with some of their behaviour- but not on this account. Gerry comes across as if he couldn't be bothered with the kids and was happy to leave them alone while he had peace to wine and dine and flirt?. Kate wasn't , If I read it correctly, but she did need a break from them for sure!
It would be very interesting if we knew that Gerry spent a whole day looking after his three children from morning till bedtime with out any help!... hmmmm
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When did Kate start writing the diary?
Madeleine McCann mother's diary of love
By Emma Henry11:47AM BST 13 Sep 2007
The diary that the Portuguese prosecutor wants to seize was started by Madeleine McCann's mother to prove to her missing daughter that she had not been forgotten.
Kate McCann kept a handwritten journal during her four months in Portugal, and was frequently seen writing in it after Madeleine disappeared from the family's holiday apartment in Praia da Luz on May 3.
Philomena McCann, Mr McCann's sister, said she advised her sister-in-law, who is now a formal suspect in the case, to keep the diary to show Madeleine how much they loved her.
She told The Sun: "I asked Kate to keep this journal because at first the Portuguese police were doing very little.
"A lot of the things that happened were only because of the family contacting the media.
"So I said to Kate that it would be a good idea if someone wrote down, for Madeleine, notes on everything that was happening, because we have to prove to Madeleine how much we looked for her and how much we love her.
"That wee girl will be thinking, 'They're not looking for me. My mummy, daddy and my aunties - they don't love me because they can't find me'. "I was just thinking about how insecure Madeleine would be, so Kate has been keeping that journal faithfully every day.
"She's been writing down everything that we've been doing so we can prove to Madeleine that we have worked so hard to try and find her, that we've put our lives on hold to search for her and show our love for her is unending."
Ms McCann questioned why the Portuguese authorities wanted the diary now, saying: "God knows what they are expecting to find.
"And why didn't they ask for it before? It's just another way to stick the knife in."
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1562993/Madeleine-McCann-mothers-diary-of-love.html
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Madeleine McCann mother's diary of love
By Emma Henry11:47AM BST 13 Sep 2007
The diary that the Portuguese prosecutor wants to seize was started by Madeleine McCann's mother to prove to her missing daughter that she had not been forgotten.
Kate McCann kept a handwritten journal during her four months in Portugal, and was frequently seen writing in it after Madeleine disappeared from the family's holiday apartment in Praia da Luz on May 3.
Philomena McCann, Mr McCann's sister, said she advised her sister-in-law, who is now a formal suspect in the case, to keep the diary to show Madeleine how much they loved her.
She told The Sun: "I asked Kate to keep this journal because at first the Portuguese police were doing very little.
"A lot of the things that happened were only because of the family contacting the media.
"So I said to Kate that it would be a good idea if someone wrote down, for Madeleine, notes on everything that was happening, because we have to prove to Madeleine how much we looked for her and how much we love her.
"That wee girl will be thinking, 'They're not looking for me. My mummy, daddy and my aunties - they don't love me because they can't find me'. "I was just thinking about how insecure Madeleine would be, so Kate has been keeping that journal faithfully every day.
"She's been writing down everything that we've been doing so we can prove to Madeleine that we have worked so hard to try and find her, that we've put our lives on hold to search for her and show our love for her is unending."
Ms McCann questioned why the Portuguese authorities wanted the diary now, saying: "God knows what they are expecting to find.
"And why didn't they ask for it before? It's just another way to stick the knife in."
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1562993/Madeleine-McCann-mothers-diary-of-love.html
I think Philomena went a bit ott...i cant see maddie wanting to know this...
http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/press/17-July8/CORREIO_DA_MANHA_31_07_2008.htm
Kate tried to hide twins' tantrums
It can also be perceived in some of the writings that Kate wanted to avoid the tensions with her smaller children to become known by the media. Just like she describes it about a tantrum from Amelie dated June 4, when the little girl started yelling in the car. "They fell asleep. Sean instantly, Amelie only after throwing a big tantrum while we tried to sit her into the baby seat – all in front of the Portuguese media!!! – and then we stopped on the way so we could cuddle them outside of the car trunk. I sometimes worry that Amelie may be missing Maddie more than we thought. Maybe I'm being paranoid?", writes Kate, who on the next day left her children in the creche again. "After a shower and breakfast, take Sean and Amelie to the Kids Club".
On the 14th of June, Kate shows her tiredness again, not only over Maddie's disappearance but also over the care that the smaller ones demanded. "Sean slept with me most of the night after half an hour of hysterics at half past midnight", she reveals, while three days later she complains again that her children now fall asleep at a later time. "I tried to take Sean and Amelie to bed at around 7.30 p.m. but it took rather long again – especially AMELIE", Kate recognises.
On the 21st of June, Kate is ironical about the children's behaviour: "Sean and Amelie's biological clocks seem to have changed now. They go to bed later and they get up later!!! I think they are becoming Portuguese", says Kate, who on the 4th of May, during the first questioning, guaranteed that her children always went to bed at 7.30 p.m.
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I think Philomena went a bit ott...i cant see maddie wanting to know this...
http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/press/17-July8/CORREIO_DA_MANHA_31_07_2008.htm
Kate tried to hide twins' tantrums
It can also be perceived in some of the writings that Kate wanted to avoid the tensions with her smaller children to become known by the media. Just like she describes it about a tantrum from Amelie dated June 4, when the little girl started yelling in the car. "They fell asleep. Sean instantly, Amelie only after throwing a big tantrum while we tried to sit her into the baby seat – all in front of the Portuguese media!!! – and then we stopped on the way so we could cuddle them outside of the car trunk. I sometimes worry that Amelie may be missing Maddie more than we thought. Maybe I'm being paranoid?", writes Kate, who on the next day left her children in the creche again. "After a shower and breakfast, take Sean and Amelie to the Kids Club".
On the 14th of June, Kate shows her tiredness again, not only over Maddie's disappearance but also over the care that the smaller ones demanded. "Sean slept with me most of the night after half an hour of hysterics at half past midnight", she reveals, while three days later she complains again that her children now fall asleep at a later time. "I tried to take Sean and Amelie to bed at around 7.30 p.m. but it took rather long again – especially AMELIE", Kate recognises.
On the 21st of June, Kate is ironical about the children's behaviour: "Sean and Amelie's biological clocks seem to have changed now. They go to bed later and they get up later!!! I think they are becoming Portuguese", says Kate, who on the 4th of May, during the first questioning, guaranteed that her children always went to bed at 7.30 p.m.
Kate's diary was taken by the Portuguese police.
It was copied by the Portuguese Police.
It was leaked by the Portuguese police to the Portuguese press.
Immoral? ... illegal? ... certainly in my opinion certainly not something to eulogise.
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For gods sake!! All mothers have a bit of a moan about their kids at times, Kate had three under four, hard work. Plus she was working part time. I think the Portuguese Police misunderstood her diary, I don't think for one minute Kate had decided to hand Madeleine over to a relative. Maybe for a holiday, but not for permanent care of. Madeleine's name was down to start school, she was looking forward to it by the sound of things, she sounded a a happy contented child. The creche workers said she was a happy go lucky child, no child would behave like that if there were problems at home IMO
Where at the actual facts that Madeleine spent Christmas Day alone with her Grand parents in 2005?
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Madeleine McCann mother's diary of love
By Emma Henry11:47AM BST 13 Sep 2007
The diary that the Portuguese prosecutor wants to seize was started by Madeleine McCann's mother to prove to her missing daughter that she had not been forgotten.
Kate McCann kept a handwritten journal during her four months in Portugal, and was frequently seen writing in it after Madeleine disappeared from the family's holiday apartment in Praia da Luz on May 3.
Philomena McCann, Mr McCann's sister, said she advised her sister-in-law, who is now a formal suspect in the case, to keep the diary to show Madeleine how much they loved her.
She told The Sun: "I asked Kate to keep this journal because at first the Portuguese police were doing very little.
"A lot of the things that happened were only because of the family contacting the media.
"So I said to Kate that it would be a good idea if someone wrote down, for Madeleine, notes on everything that was happening, because we have to prove to Madeleine how much we looked for her and how much we love her.
"That wee girl will be thinking, 'They're not looking for me. My mummy, daddy and my aunties - they don't love me because they can't find me'. "I was just thinking about how insecure Madeleine would be, so Kate has been keeping that journal faithfully every day.
"She's been writing down everything that we've been doing so we can prove to Madeleine that we have worked so hard to try and find her, that we've put our lives on hold to search for her and show our love for her is unending."
Ms McCann questioned why the Portuguese authorities wanted the diary now, saying: "God knows what they are expecting to find.
"And why didn't they ask for it before? It's just another way to stick the knife in."
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1562993/Madeleine-McCann-mothers-diary-of-love.html
I thought it was 'Hugh' from CRG who suggested the diary? Kate doesn't mention Philomena in her book.
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For gods sake!! All mothers have a bit of a moan about their kids at times, Kate had three under four, hard work. Plus she was working part time. I think the Portuguese Police misunderstood her diary, I don't think for one minute Kate had decided to hand Madeleine over to a relative. Maybe for a holiday, but not for permanent care of. Madeleine's name was down to start school, she was looking forward to it by the sound of things, she sounded a a happy contented child. The creche workers said she was a happy go lucky child, no child would behave like that if there were problems at home IMO
Where at the actual facts that Madeleine spent Christmas Day alone with her Grand parents in 2005?
It's a fact that her McCann grandfather wasn't there at Christmas 2005.
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It's a fact that her McCann grandfather wasn't there at Christmas 2005.
Can you give me a link to this information please as I don't think I have read it, thanks.
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Can you give me a link to this information please as I don't think I have read it, thanks.
This is a well mannered request for a Cite. Please may we have a few more like this?
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Kate's diary was taken by the Portuguese police.
It was copied by the Portuguese Police.
It was leaked by the Portuguese police to the Portuguese press.
Immoral? ... illegal? ... certainly in my opinion certainly not something to eulogise.
I am not praising them ....although I do respect the job they had to do...
The thing is with this is ....you have to admit ....
kmcc was having problems with the children IMO...
everything wasn't as idyllic as she tried to make out ....
seems odd ....how she could get them all to sleep ....in the same room ...in a strange bedroom...
all at the same time ....every night....
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For gods sake!! All mothers have a bit of a moan about their kids at times, Kate had three under four, hard work. Plus she was working part time. I think the Portuguese Police misunderstood her diary, I don't think for one minute Kate had decided to hand Madeleine over to a relative. Maybe for a holiday, but not for permanent care of. Madeleine's name was down to start school, she was looking forward to it by the sound of things, she sounded a a happy contented child. The creche workers said she was a happy go lucky child, no child would behave like that if there were problems at home IMO
Where at the actual facts that Madeleine spent Christmas Day alone with her Grand parents in 2005?
Wouldnt it have been more suitable.... for Eileen to have spent christmas with the mccs..
if she were on her own...who....who sends there child away chrismas day fgs.....
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Can you give me a link to this information please as I don't think I have read it, thanks.
It's in Kate's book;
Only six weeks after Sean and Amelie were born, Gerry’s dad passed away. [madeleine]
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Wouldnt it have been more suitable.... for Eileen to have spent christmas with the mccs..
if she were on her own...who....who sends there child away chrismas day fgs.....
Can you give me a link which says the McCann's sent Madeleine away for Christmas day please.
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Can you give me a link which says the McCann's sent Madeleine away for Christmas day please.
Maddie was just 21 months old when Sean and Amelie were born in February 2005 and she did not seem to take too readily to having two younger children in the family, demanding of her mother's attention.
"Kate McCann: my struggle to control 'very difficult' Madeleine." Daily Mail 17th September 2007
"The worst thing is that she started to demand lots of attention, especially when I was breast-feeding them.""She would run up and down screaming in the background, shouting for my attention."
"Kate McCann has revealed that she struggled to control Madeleine McCann after the birth of her and Gerry's twins, it was revealed today.Missing Madeleine would run around 'screaming...shouting for my attention', the mother-of-three said.
In an interview given to a Portuguese magazine before she was named as a suspect in the case of the four-year-old's disappearance, Kate also said the first six months of Madeleine's life were "very difficult" and that the girl had suffered from colic.
Speaking about Madeleine's upbringing, Kate, a 39-year-old GP, told Portugal's Flash! magazine: "She cried practically for 18 hours a day. I had to permanently carry her around."
Perhaps the above was the reason for Maddie's being shipped off to her grandmother's house in Glasgow when she was two years old, to spend the twins' first Christmas away from the family in Rothley. Gerry McCann's mother, Eileen McCann, interviewed by the Scottish Daily Record in April 2008:
"She said: "When she was two, Madeleine spent Christmas at my house and it was lovely.
"The next year, the family came up for New Year but on Christmas Day Madeleine called and said she'd got a kitchen from Santa. She was very excited and said 'I'm going to make some tea'."
This Christmas was spent without the blonde-haired, green-eyed girl who fills Eileen's life with such joy."
https://mmknowthetruth.blogspot.com/2017_04_18_archive.html
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Maddie was just 21 months old when Sean and Amelie were born in February 2005 and she did not seem to take too readily to having two younger children in the family, demanding of her mother's attention.
"Kate McCann: my struggle to control 'very difficult' Madeleine." Daily Mail 17th September 2007
"The worst thing is that she started to demand lots of attention, especially when I was breast-feeding them.""She would run up and down screaming in the background, shouting for my attention."
"Kate McCann has revealed that she struggled to control Madeleine McCann after the birth of her and Gerry's twins, it was revealed today.Missing Madeleine would run around 'screaming...shouting for my attention', the mother-of-three said.
In an interview given to a Portuguese magazine before she was named as a suspect in the case of the four-year-old's disappearance, Kate also said the first six months of Madeleine's life were "very difficult" and that the girl had suffered from colic.
Speaking about Madeleine's upbringing, Kate, a 39-year-old GP, told Portugal's Flash! magazine: "She cried practically for 18 hours a day. I had to permanently carry her around."
Perhaps the above was the reason for Maddie's being shipped off to her grandmother's house in Glasgow when she was two years old, to spend the twins' first Christmas away from the family in Rothley. Gerry McCann's mother, Eileen McCann, interviewed by the Scottish Daily Record in April 2008:
"She said: "When she was two, Madeleine spent Christmas at my house and it was lovely.
"The next year, the family came up for New Year but on Christmas Day Madeleine called and said she'd got a kitchen from Santa. She was very excited and said 'I'm going to make some tea'."
This Christmas was spent without the blonde-haired, green-eyed girl who fills Eileen's life with such joy."
https://mmknowthetruth.blogspot.com/2017_04_18_archive.html
Sorry that doesn't prove that Madeleine spent Christmas alone with her Grandmother. More than likely they all went to stay with her as she had lost her husband. IMO
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Sorry that doesn't prove that Madeleine spent Christmas alone with her Grandmother. More than likely they all went to stay with her as she had lost her husband. IMO
So you have changed your mind about Madeleine staying with Eileen McCann on her own then Lace?
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So you have changed your mind about Madeleine staying with Eileen McCann on her own then Lace?
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I have never said that Madeleine would have gone to stay with her Grandmother by herself on Christmas Day.
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So you have changed your mind about Madeleine staying with Eileen McCann on her own then Lace?
I have never said that Madeleine would have gone to stay with her Grandmother by herself on Christmas Day.
And I didn't say you had Lace. I asked whether you had changed your mind, which you clearly have.
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I have never said that Madeleine would have gone to stay with her Grandmother by herself on Christmas Day.
And I didn't say you had Lace. I asked whether you had changed your mind, which you clearly have.
If you are referring to the old thread where I said Madeleine could have gone to her Grandmothers for a holiday at Christmas, then I say no I haven't changed my mind. We are talking about Christmas day, Madeleine may have stayed at her Grandmothers during the Christmas holiday which has twelve days.
Madeleine would have been three the following May, old enough to be excited about Christmas, see the decorations go up and hear the talk of Santa coming to fill her stocking. I cannot believe that Madeleine was sent to her Grandmothers by herself for Christmas day.
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Eileen McCann says when Madeleine was two she came to spend Christmas with her [nothing said about Madeleine being by herself]
Then she says - "The next year, the family came up for New Year but on Christmas Day Madeleine called and said she'd got a kitchen from Santa. She was very excited and said 'I'm going to make some tea'."
Notice she said 'the family came up' not Madeleine came up.
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Eileen McCann says when Madeleine was two she came to spend Christmas with her [nothing said about Madeleine being by herself]
Then she says - "The next year, the family came up for New Year but on Christmas Day Madeleine called and said she'd got a kitchen from Santa. She was very excited and said 'I'm going to make some tea'."
Notice she said 'the family came up' not Madeleine came up.
Are you suggesting she was left behind and didn't travel to Scotland?
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Are you suggesting she was left behind and didn't travel to Scotland?
No, I am saying that she referred to the 'family' coming up and not just Madeleine. Sorry for the confusion.