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Estuarine

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Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
« Reply #1920 on: February 07, 2014, 07:31:38 PM »
I will patiently wait for SYs and or PJs next statement

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Eta I was reading some old press articles today whilst looking for something  and the level of ignorance and bad and mistaken reporting and speculation was quite astonishing. The papers are not Moses' tablets but the sheer laziness is astounding.

To paraphrase Mad Magazine re John Wayne's film The Alamo: "To produce an historically accurate film requires a lot of diligent research and a lot of money so we did the next best thing; we lied"  @)(++(*

Redblossom

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Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
« Reply #1921 on: February 07, 2014, 07:35:02 PM »
LOL

Nice one


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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
« Reply #1922 on: February 07, 2014, 10:22:08 PM »
To paraphrase Mad Magazine re John Wayne's film The Alamo: "To produce an historically accurate film requires a lot of diligent research and a lot of money so we did the next best thing; we lied"  @)(++(*

you shouldn't confuse films with real life

Offline slartibartfast

Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
« Reply #1923 on: February 07, 2014, 10:28:28 PM »
you shouldn't confuse films with real life

As Wilde says...

Quote
Life imitates Art far more than Art imitates Life
“Reasoning will never make a Man correct an ill Opinion, which by Reasoning he never acquired”.

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
« Reply #1924 on: February 07, 2014, 10:34:59 PM »
As Wilde says...

Yes and as Davel says...you shouldnt confuse films with real life

Offline sadie

Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
« Reply #1925 on: February 07, 2014, 11:09:57 PM »
yes Vixte I KNOW

I was just saying the story rang a bell but seems it was a similar incident four years later! Well, not that I believe a word of it...attempted burglary somewhere in the algarve, at some stage in recent history, hardly  a connection to Madeleine McCann disappearing!

Oh another attempt in the PdL area?

So we now have
1)  the Joana Cipriano abduction in Sept 2004 ... at Figuieira, 7 miles away from PdL (fair haired, pretty and aged 8)
2)  The attempted Carolina Santos abduction on Christmas Day 2006 .... at Silves, about 18 miles away from PdL (blond, pretty and aged 3)
3)  the Madeleine Mccann abduction on 3rd May 2007... at PdL (blond, pretty and aged nearly 4)
4)  This new attempt reported was it in 2010 or 2011?

Prior to these we had the
5)  Rene Hasee abduction in 1996 ...at Amoreias beach, less than 18 miles from PdL, and  near Aljezur on the Atlantic Coast of the Algarve. (blond, a cute little boy, aged 6)


We also had the northern abductions. 300 miles+ from PdL

1)  Jorge Sepulveda in 1991 ... at Masseroles in Porto, aged 14
2)  Claudia Alexandra Silva de Sousa in 1994 ... from Oleiros, Vila Verde, Braga and about 30 miles north of Porto (blonde, pretty, aged 7)
3)  Rui Pedro Mendonca in 1998 .... from Lousada Porto (latin , beautiful face, aged 11 / 12)
4)  Rui Manuel Correia Pereira in 1999 .... Vila Nova de Famalicao less than 20 miles from Porto (Latin, strong face but good looking, aged 13/14)


.... and of course the afore mentioned Rene Hasee, from the Algarve region.

No other prepubescent, under 15, children went missing (stranger abduction) in the whole of PT.


A man, the son of Elites, was picked up by the PJ, in the North and I believe charged.  He was released with a warning !  Released with a warning ! 

Sounds like the Roman Catholic Church, they reputedly give a gentle warning, then move their peado priests elsewhere ... to often start all over again!



Ok there is this list of 8 probable /possible stranger abductions over a 16 year period, and roughly spaced at 2 yearly intervals.   Additionally we have this latest attempted abduction, it seems.


Make what you will of it, but a pattern developed, that is interesting to SY, along with the sightings, up to and in the north




Estuarine

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Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
« Reply #1926 on: February 08, 2014, 12:08:01 AM »
you shouldn't confuse films with real life

You think this forum is real life . Gerroff

Offline John

Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
« Reply #1927 on: February 08, 2014, 12:15:59 AM »
Oh another attempt in the PdL area?

So we now have
1)  the Joana Cipriano abduction in Sept 2004 ... at Figuieira, 7 miles away from PdL (fair haired, pretty and aged 8)
2)  The attempted Carolina Santos abduction on Christmas Day 2006 .... at Silves, about 18 miles away from PdL (blond, pretty and aged 3)
3)  the Madeleine McCann abduction on 3rd May 2007... at PdL (blond, pretty and aged nearly 4)
4)  This new attempt reported was it in 2010 or 2011?

Prior to these we had the
5)  Rene Hasee abduction in 1996 ...at Amoreias beach, less than 18 miles from PdL, and  near Aljezur on the Atlantic Coast of the Algarve. (blond, a cute little boy, aged 6)


We don't know for sure what happened Joana Cipriano, Madeleine McCann or René Hasée so suggesting a pattern based on speculation is a non starter.  As far as this latest report is concerned, a robber seen in a child's bedroom does not  automatically make him a child abductor unless of course one is attempting to sell your story to the Press.

A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline VIXTE

Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
« Reply #1928 on: February 08, 2014, 12:38:04 AM »
We don't know for sure what happened Joana Cipriano, Madeleine McCann or René Hasée so suggesting a pattern based on speculation is a non starter.  As far as this latest report is concerned, a robber seen in a child's bedroom does not  automatically make him a child abductor unless of course one is attempting to sell your story to the Press.

But for Renee Hasee we know that he has been abducted, as well as the other children which sade listed, known to be missing in the are.

Online Eleanor

Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
« Reply #1929 on: February 08, 2014, 07:42:32 AM »
But for Renee Hasee we know that he has been abducted, as well as the other children which sade listed, known to be missing in the are.

So there could have already been a network in place for abducted children.

Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
« Reply #1930 on: February 08, 2014, 08:10:56 AM »

British police CAN still solve Madeleine McCann mystery despite the problems of working with foreign forces
The former Met Commissioner has investigated high-profile deaths overseas and is aware of the hurdles Scotland Yard detectives face in Portugal

As Kate and Gerry McCann have found over the past seven years, the Portuguese criminal and judicial system is very different to what we are used to at home.

So much so that they found themselves being publicly named as suspects at an early stage of the investigation to find their missing daughter Madeleine.

British police are now trying to play catch-up and provide the thorough examination of the facts and evidence that appears to have been so badly mishandled back in 2007.

It is no wonder that the Portuguese police feel vulnerable about what they have – or haven’t – done in the past.

This makes the building of a strong relationship between the new teams involved so crucial to any successful progress in this case. It has to be a partnership and not a competition to see who makes the next breakthrough.

There are some positive signs that the Portuguese and Scotland Yard investigative teams are working together, but some difficulties remain. This week, for instance, it has been reported that they were investigating different targets.

When our police work overseas they do not have the power of arrest. They can advise and make a request but it has to be carried out for them. Every move needs to be sanctioned and supported by the local force.

This can be a very frustrating and time-consuming process but needs to be followed to the letter if any breakthrough is to be achieved. It also needs to be done properly if any subsequent prosecutions are to stand the best chance of success.

Apart from the cultural and language barriers, you should not underestimate the complexity and sensitivity of our police officers working with their colleagues from overseas. That is why police officers need to be skilled diplomats when on foreign soil.

They know they will only make progress if they work with the local force and respect the way they go about their work – even if it seems to be very slow and ponderous.

As I found with my inquiry into the death of Diana, Princess of Wales, patience is needed by both home and overseas forces to build a partnership that can deliver results which stand the test of whichever country’s judicial system will be governing the investigation.

For example, getting some of the 600 plus evidential exhibits released for analysis back in England was just one of the obstacles we faced.

It took time, but we eventually got the agreement of the French authorities to go ahead and bring the crash car back to England.

This helped us conduct a complete reconstruction of the collision. The results proved hugely important in enabling a proper assessment to take place at the inquest in London.

But there can also be difficulties dealing with different forces closer to home.

During my inquiries into ­collusion and murder in Northern Ireland, my team came face to face with those responsible for the original investigations – some of whom had been accused of committing the crimes themselves.

It was little wonder that our work touched many raw nerves and sensitivities.

Gaining the confidence and trust of the local force, the victims and their families was crucial, while following the evidence wherever it took us.

This was not easy as we faced a concerted campaign to discredit the inquiry. It took more than 15 years and three linked inquiries to get to the bottom of what had been going on.

Determination got us through many difficult moments, including mental and physical pressures and threats.

Many courageous officers from the Royal Ulster Constabulary were keen to help us with our enquiries. However, some were very evasive and defensive.

We met walls of silence. Secret Intelligence records disappeared from files.

The safety and security of the team was forever uppermost in my mind. Especially when our offices burnt down one night. Mysteriously, the smoke alarms and heat sensors failed to go off and the telephone lines were cut.

Senior RUC officers blamed a secret unit in British military intelligence. To this day it has never been proven but I believe I know who was responsible.

As Metropolitan Police Commissioner, I was invited to send a team to Jamaica to investigate a shooting. The starting point here was gaining the support of their government for the professionals who would be doing the legwork.

The support and guidance of the Foreign Office, our High Commissioner and his team in Jamaica was crucial to making progress.

They put us on the right track with the right connections to steer the team through the local systems and structures. All of this takes a lot of time and patience.

With crime increasingly taking on an international dimension it is essential that police officers can get co-operation from the governments and police forces of every country – not just in Europe but across the whole world.

Scotland Yard has a long history of conducting investigations overseas and they know better than anyone how to get on with their foreign partners.

That is why the Home Secretary asked them back in 2011 to look in to the Madeleine McCann case to try and find out what happened to her.

It might appear painfully slow, but rest assured they will be doing all they can to give the family the answers they are looking for.

If anyone can solve this case... they can.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/lord-stevens-hunt-madeleine-mccann-3123394
I stand with Putin. Glory to Mother Putin.

Offline jassi

Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
« Reply #1931 on: February 08, 2014, 08:27:36 AM »
British police CAN still solve Madeleine McCann mystery despite the problems of working with foreign forces
The former Met Commissioner has investigated high-profile deaths overseas and is aware of the hurdles Scotland Yard detectives face in Portugal

As Kate and Gerry McCann have found over the past seven years, the Portuguese criminal and judicial system is very different to what we are used to at home.

So much so that they found themselves being publicly named as suspects at an early stage of the investigation to find their missing daughter Madeleine.

British police are now trying to play catch-up and provide the thorough examination of the facts and evidence that appears to have been so badly mishandled back in 2007.

It is no wonder that the Portuguese police feel vulnerable about what they have – or haven’t – done in the past.

This makes the building of a strong relationship between the new teams involved so crucial to any successful progress in this case. It has to be a partnership and not a competition to see who makes the next breakthrough.

There are some positive signs that the Portuguese and Scotland Yard investigative teams are working together, but some difficulties remain. This week, for instance, it has been reported that they were investigating different targets.

When our police work overseas they do not have the power of arrest. They can advise and make a request but it has to be carried out for them. Every move needs to be sanctioned and supported by the local force.

This can be a very frustrating and time-consuming process but needs to be followed to the letter if any breakthrough is to be achieved. It also needs to be done properly if any subsequent prosecutions are to stand the best chance of success.

Apart from the cultural and language barriers, you should not underestimate the complexity and sensitivity of our police officers working with their colleagues from overseas. That is why police officers need to be skilled diplomats when on foreign soil.

They know they will only make progress if they work with the local force and respect the way they go about their work – even if it seems to be very slow and ponderous.

As I found with my inquiry into the death of Diana, Princess of Wales, patience is needed by both home and overseas forces to build a partnership that can deliver results which stand the test of whichever country’s judicial system will be governing the investigation.

For example, getting some of the 600 plus evidential exhibits released for analysis back in England was just one of the obstacles we faced.

It took time, but we eventually got the agreement of the French authorities to go ahead and bring the crash car back to England.

This helped us conduct a complete reconstruction of the collision. The results proved hugely important in enabling a proper assessment to take place at the inquest in London.

But there can also be difficulties dealing with different forces closer to home.

During my inquiries into ­collusion and murder in Northern Ireland, my team came face to face with those responsible for the original investigations – some of whom had been accused of committing the crimes themselves.

It was little wonder that our work touched many raw nerves and sensitivities.

Gaining the confidence and trust of the local force, the victims and their families was crucial, while following the evidence wherever it took us.

This was not easy as we faced a concerted campaign to discredit the inquiry. It took more than 15 years and three linked inquiries to get to the bottom of what had been going on.

Determination got us through many difficult moments, including mental and physical pressures and threats.

Many courageous officers from the Royal Ulster Constabulary were keen to help us with our enquiries. However, some were very evasive and defensive.

We met walls of silence. Secret Intelligence records disappeared from files.

The safety and security of the team was forever uppermost in my mind. Especially when our offices burnt down one night. Mysteriously, the smoke alarms and heat sensors failed to go off and the telephone lines were cut.

Senior RUC officers blamed a secret unit in British military intelligence. To this day it has never been proven but I believe I know who was responsible.

As Metropolitan Police Commissioner, I was invited to send a team to Jamaica to investigate a shooting. The starting point here was gaining the support of their government for the professionals who would be doing the legwork.

The support and guidance of the Foreign Office, our High Commissioner and his team in Jamaica was crucial to making progress.

They put us on the right track with the right connections to steer the team through the local systems and structures. All of this takes a lot of time and patience.

With crime increasingly taking on an international dimension it is essential that police officers can get co-operation from the governments and police forces of every country – not just in Europe but across the whole world.

Scotland Yard has a long history of conducting investigations overseas and they know better than anyone how to get on with their foreign partners.

That is why the Home Secretary asked them back in 2011 to look in to the Madeleine McCann case to try and find out what happened to her.

It might appear painfully slow, but rest assured they will be doing all they can to give the family the answers they are looking for.

If anyone can solve this case... they can.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/lord-stevens-hunt-madeleine-mccann-3123394

Not necessarily a reassuring statement at all

I would hope they were trying to uncover the truth.
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

Estuarine

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Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
« Reply #1932 on: February 08, 2014, 01:01:48 PM »
Not necessarily a reassuring statement at all

I would hope they were trying to uncover the truth.

The article is a bit odd; kicks off seemingly with fomenting antagonism between the The Met and the Portuguese police and ends with a load of "there I wuz stories" which seem to have little relevance.

Estuarine

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Redblossom

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Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
« Reply #1934 on: February 08, 2014, 03:21:09 PM »
nice and helpful mirror article....

 8-)(--)


 >@@(*&)


So many bods  sticking their oars in, nothng changes

What's the going rate?

One might think some might not want the two police forces to have a good relationship!
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