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Offline Sherlock Holmes

Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
« Reply #2025 on: February 09, 2014, 03:01:05 AM »
I don't know what to make of the latest  'stolen keys'  story 

Who needs a key to get into  an apartment that is left unlocked every night  ?   

How would anyone know if it was left unlocked?

Offline pegasus

Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
« Reply #2026 on: February 09, 2014, 03:02:23 AM »
SY should be looking (initially) for a thief who did NOT have a key.
By looking for an intruder with key, SY are implicitly disbelieving KMs (honest) statement that she found the window open.

Offline Sherlock Holmes

Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
« Reply #2027 on: February 09, 2014, 03:02:31 AM »
Here is the thread (not the earliest one; a more recent one ) where the matter of the key / copies is discussed, pegasus:

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=1754.msg101810;topicseen#msg101810

I think Anne however seems to say at one point that it was easier than this to get the key copied. Would be good if she was around just now to check with!

Missing you, Anne!
« Last Edit: February 09, 2014, 03:05:25 AM by Sherlock Holmes »

Offline VIXTE

Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
« Reply #2028 on: February 09, 2014, 03:06:10 AM »
How would anyone know if it was left unlocked?

patio doors were unlocked, several statements say this.

but my view is that the exit of this person was the front door. ( even the first GNR search dogs went straight out through the front doors)

because it is it risky to go out through the patio doors, too much light, street light and he cannot see what is down behind the wall when he comes down the stairs.

same goes for entering through the patio doors.. too much street light, parents and friends constantly passing. front door is much safer for an intruder and easier to run away if someone turns up.
« Last Edit: February 09, 2014, 03:12:33 AM by VIXTE »

Offline Sherlock Holmes

Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
« Reply #2029 on: February 09, 2014, 03:06:50 AM »
SY should be looking (initially) for a thief who did NOT have a key.
By looking for an intruder with key, SY are implicitly disbelieving KMs (honest) statement that she found the window open.

But quite a few of our theories involve an open window and an open door.....

One does not necessarily negate the other.

Offline pegasus

Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
« Reply #2030 on: February 09, 2014, 03:17:05 AM »
IMO theories where a person who has a door key bizarrely opts to use a window instead are vastly complicated.

The problem with SY ignoring the obvious
(illicitly opened window = NO door key)
is that now all the cleaners, maintenance men and other honest workers are wrongly under suspicion.

Offline Sherlock Holmes

Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
« Reply #2031 on: February 09, 2014, 03:19:50 AM »
IMO theories where a person who has a door key bizarrely opts to use a window instead are vastly complicated.

The problem with SY ignoring the obvious
(illicitly opened window = NO door key)
is that now all the cleaners, maintenance men and other honest workers are wrongly under suspicion.

I don't think anyone said window was used instead. As far as forensics go, the window wasn't used at all.

Window could have been opened as a decoy and for a variety of other reasons.

icabodcrane

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Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
« Reply #2032 on: February 09, 2014, 03:24:35 AM »
I don't think anyone said window was used instead. As far as forensics go, the window wasn't used at all.

Window could have been opened as a decoy and for a variety of other reasons.

oh,  please no  ...  not the red herring again

There's no getting away from it I'm afraid,   if that window wasn't opened as a way of  'breaking in'  to the apartment   (  as we were told by numerous McCann sources as early the next day,  it  had   )  ...  then it wouldn't have been opened at all 

Offline Sherlock Holmes

Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
« Reply #2033 on: February 09, 2014, 03:25:49 AM »
oh,  please no  ...  not the red herring again

There's no getting away from it I'm afraid,   if that window wasn't opened as a way of  'breaking in'  to the apartment   (  as we were told by numerous McCann sources as early the next day,  it  had   )  ...  then it wouldn't have been opened at all

Well let's not go down that road again on this thread..agreed

Good night all

Offline pegasus

Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
« Reply #2034 on: February 09, 2014, 03:33:06 AM »
I don't think anyone said window was used instead. As far as forensics go, the window wasn't used at all.
Window could have been opened as a decoy and for a variety of other reasons.
I agree it is possible to come up with various scenarios where someone who has a door key opens a window, or even invents an open window.
However I find all those theories too convoluted. Just my opinion.

icabodcrane

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Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
« Reply #2035 on: February 09, 2014, 04:07:22 AM »
I agree it is possible to come up with various scenarios where someone who has a door key opens a window, or even invents an open window.
However I find all those theories too convoluted. Just my opinion.

I concur pegasus

Unless  the window was opened as a way of  'breaking in'  to the apartment then it simply doesn't make sense that it was open at all

...  and like Judge Judy says,   "If it doesn't make sense then it's probably not true"   

Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
« Reply #2036 on: February 09, 2014, 08:41:01 AM »
9th February 2014

Sunday Express

Apartment key theft cover-up by resort staff in Madeleine McCann case

KEYS to the holiday apartment from which Madeleine McCann was abducted were lost shortly before she vanished, it was claimed last night.

However, police were not informed about the loss of potentially crucial evidence which could unlock the seven-year mystery.

A Sunday Express investigation in Portugal has revealed astonishing new information which, if proved, suggests the kidnap was well planned and executed using stolen keys.

Amid claims that Portuguese police are about to arrest three former workers at the Ocean Club in Praia da Luz, based on information gathered by Scotland Yard, we tracked down a former maintenance worker at the complex whose revelations could change the direction of the international investigation.

The retired man, whose identity we have agreed to protect, said: “I have kept this to myself for long enough, so now it is right to tell people what happened.

“There was another maintenance worker at the Ocean Club who said he had lost a set of keys for the whole of block five.”

Kate and Gerry McCann, their twins Sean and Amelie and eldest daughter Madeleine, were staying in apartment 5a in the block, where there had been a spate of burglaries in the weeks before she vanished.

The former Ocean Club worker revealed: “I remember my colleague telling some of us the keys to that block had been lost.

“He told us about it in the week when the child was taken but I cannot remember the exact day. In the maintenance department we kept duplicates of all keys to the apartments.

“They were on a long cable and very clearly marked and we kept them in a safe.

“If there was a problem, a water leak, a gas leak, it was important for us to have entry to apartments if the owners or guests were out.


“When the man told us about the lost keys, he started crying. He was very upset. He was worried about losing his job, I think, and he did not want others to know about it.

“After the child disappeared, we all had to give statements to the police but I did not mention the keys had been lost because I did not think it was relevant.”

Shortly after Madeleine went missing, the world’s media descended on the Ocean Club and staff were told not to speak to journalists and to co-operate fully with police.

It was widely reported then that someone may have entered 5a through unlocked patio doors so people were not suggesting stolen duplicate keys could have been used to gain access through the front door.


The man said: “This has been on my mind for a long time and you are the first person I have told about it. I did not want to get the other man into trouble, I suppose.

"I didn’t really like the man and I didn’t want trouble from him. He was always doing nasty pranks. Once he put fibreglass in my work trousers which is not nice because it rubs against the skin and hurts.

“He was a young, confident man and I was a lot older than him and we just didn’t get on. In fact, he was the reason I left the job. After the little girl was taken, the atmosphere was really bad. It was not a good place to work.”

The Sunday Express has seen the statement the man gave to Portuguese police shortly after Madeleine was taken on the evening of May 3, 2007 ,and there is no mention of him stating keys had gone missing.

A Portuguese newspaper reported last week that police were particularly interested in a driver at the Ocean Club who dropped guests at the apartments after they arrived from Faro airport.

The man said: “On that night I was asked to do some driving because the man who was supposed to do the driving did not arrive at work. I remember ringing my wife and telling her I would be late home that night.”

Now that the man has come forward with new information he is likely to have to give a more detailed statement to police.

The Sunday Express tracked down the maintenance worker who allegedly lost the keys, 29-year-old Tiago da Silva, who lives a few miles from Luz in Lagos, a pretty coastal town.

When we put it to him that keys were lost, he paused momentarily before saying: “That is not the case. I can’t remember any keys going missing. The keys in maintenance were kept in a safe and nobody could get to them.”

However, his former colleague insisted: “I know what he told me at the time. The keys for all the blocks were kept on a cable and clearly marked.

“He said he had lost the keys to block five. He told me in the same week when the little girl went missing. I am sure of this.

“From my memory I think they were replaced with duplicate keys for the apartments which were held at reception. I remember all this very clearly. He did not want us to tell people about it, so we didn’t say anything.”

Scotland Yard officers have made about 20 trips to Portugal for their investigation, Operation Grange, into Madeleine’s disappearance when she was approaching her fourth birthday.

Portuguese detectives have carried out inquiries on behalf of the Yard team, which has not been allowed to pursue investigations on the ground.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/458798/Apartment-key-theft-cover-up-by-resort-staff-in-Madeleine-McCann-case
« Last Edit: February 09, 2014, 09:33:44 AM by Wonderfulspam »
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Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
« Reply #2037 on: February 09, 2014, 08:45:13 AM »

9th February 2014

Mirror

Mum claims Madeleine McCann kidnappers may have tried to snatch her child in Algarve weeks beforehand


Detectives are to interview the mother whose drink was spiked by gypsy gang who showed an unnatural interest in her fair-haired daughter

Madeleine McCann’s kidnappers may have tried to snatch another blonde British toddler weeks before she vanished.

A mum has told Scotland Yard she believes “gypsy” restaurant staff in the Algarve spiked her drink then tried to carry her year-old daughter to a getaway car waiting outside.

She says she reported the dramatic incident to the Find Madeleine campaign line in 2007, but they were then too busy pursuing other lines of inquiry.

But now police from Operation Grange are set to interview the mum for a second time in two months in the hope it will uncover new evidence in the hunt for Madeleine.

The 30-year-old, who does not want to be named, was holidaying with her mother and her daughter in Montechoro near Albufeira – 30 miles from Praia da Luz where Maddie, three, vanished six weeks later.

She says she became aware of a gang of migrants from the former Soviet Union, working on the resort’s strip, taking a sinister interest in her girl.

“It was terrifying, like something out of a film,” said the mum. “From the first day of the holiday, a young dark-haired man kept popping up wherever we went. We would arrive at a restaurant and he’d show up minutes later as though he had been tipped off.

“It was low season so everywhere was quiet. There were about three or four restaurants open but the same staff would show up where we were. They all knew the dark-haired man. It felt like the Eastern European mafia was watching us.

“On the third night the man walked up to us, and chatted to us – but all about my daughter. He was obsessed, playing with her, stroking her hair. It was very over-familiar. He kept touching her and commenting on her blonde hair.

“She was struggling to eat her fish fingers and he picked them up and tried to feed them to her. It was all very uncomfortable.

“He was about 25 and my mum told him it was unusual to see someone his age interested in children. He said he had nephews back home. And he kept saying how cute she was,” said the mum.

The night before their flight home, things took a nightmarish twist. “He knew we were leaving,” said the mum. “We went into a restaurant and he arrived.

“There was a middle-aged couple who had served us before at another place. They were all over my daughter.

“They told me they missed their children in Uzbekistan and begged me to let them hold her.”

In the meantime they had served her with a glass of rosé wine.

“Within half an hour I felt really dizzy,” said the mum. “I knew I’d been drugged. It was only us in the restaurant and I felt vulnerable. I stood up and told mum we had to leave. As I did, the woman lifted my daughter out of her high chair and walked to the door.

“I heard an engine running. The man had vanished. I was terrified and managed to grab her back and barge the woman out of the way.

“We ran back to the hotel in the dark and bolted ourselves in the room. We were so frightened.”

The mum contacted police last October after a blonde girl found living with Roma gypsies in Greece was mistakenly thought to be Madeleine.

She said: “I’ve given a statement to Scotland Yard, and they are arranging to interview me again.

“I’ll do anything I can to help. I didn’t want to push it at the time because the investigators had their own theories. But now I’m speaking out. I can’t be the only mum who has had a near-miss. Someone might know something that could change the investigation.

“Police are taking what happened to us seriously.”

Her revelation comes days after it was revealed another family fear their young daughter was almost snatched in the Algarve in 2010.

Met detectives are still awaiting permission to question three ex-staff at the complex in Praia da Luz where the McCanns were staying in May 2007.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/mum-claims-madeleine-mccann-kidnappers-3127121
« Last Edit: February 09, 2014, 08:50:03 AM by Wonderfulspam »
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Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
« Reply #2038 on: February 09, 2014, 08:53:02 AM »

Sinister Uzbeck Gipsy Mafia Spiked My Drink & Tried To Snatch My Maddie!!

« Last Edit: February 09, 2014, 08:54:42 AM by Wonderfulspam »
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stephen25000

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Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
« Reply #2039 on: February 09, 2014, 08:53:41 AM »
Mirror


Mum claims Madeleine McCann kidnappers may have tried to snatch her child in Algarve weeks beforehand


Detectives are to interview the mother whose drink was spiked by gypsy gang who showed an unnatural interest in her fair-haired daughter


Madeleine McCann’s kidnappers may have tried to snatch another blonde British toddler weeks before she vanished.

A mum has told Scotland Yard she believes “gypsy” restaurant staff in the Algarve spiked her drink then tried to carry her year-old daughter to a getaway car waiting outside.

She says she reported the dramatic incident to the Find Madeleine campaign line in 2007, but they were then too busy pursuing other lines of inquiry.

But now police from Operation Grange are set to interview the mum for a second time in two months in the hope it will uncover new evidence in the hunt for Madeleine.

The 30-year-old, who does not want to be named, was holidaying with her mother and her daughter in Montechoro near Albufeira – 30 miles from Praia da Luz where Maddie, three, vanished six weeks later.

She says she became aware of a gang of migrants from the former Soviet Union, working on the resort’s strip, taking a sinister interest in her girl.

“It was terrifying, like something out of a film,” said the mum. “From the first day of the holiday, a young dark-haired man kept popping up wherever we went. We would arrive at a restaurant and he’d show up minutes later as though he had been tipped off.

“It was low season so everywhere was quiet. There were about three or four restaurants open but the same staff would show up where we were. They all knew the dark-haired man. It felt like the Eastern European mafia was watching us.

“On the third night the man walked up to us, and chatted to us – but all about my daughter. He was obsessed, playing with her, stroking her hair. It was very over-familiar. He kept touching her and commenting on her blonde hair.

“She was struggling to eat her fish fingers and he picked them up and tried to feed them to her. It was all very uncomfortable.

“He was about 25 and my mum told him it was unusual to see someone his age interested in children. He said he had nephews back home. And he kept saying how cute she was,” said the mum.

The night before their flight home, things took a nightmarish twist. “He knew we were leaving,” said the mum. “We went into a restaurant and he arrived.

“There was a middle-aged couple who had served us before at another place. They were all over my daughter.

“They told me they missed their children in Uzbekistan and begged me to let them hold her.”

In the meantime they had served her with a glass of rosé wine.

“Within half an hour I felt really dizzy,” said the mum. “I knew I’d been drugged. It was only us in the restaurant and I felt vulnerable. I stood up and told mum we had to leave. As I did, the woman lifted my daughter out of her high chair and walked to the door.

“I heard an engine running. The man had vanished. I was terrified and managed to grab her back and barge the woman out of the way.

“We ran back to the hotel in the dark and bolted ourselves in the room. We were so frightened.”

The mum contacted police last October after a blonde girl found living with Roma gypsies in Greece was mistakenly thought to be Madeleine.

She said: “I’ve given a statement to Scotland Yard, and they are arranging to interview me again.

“I’ll do anything I can to help. I didn’t want to push it at the time because the investigators had their own theories. But now I’m speaking out. I can’t be the only mum who has had a near-miss. Someone might know something that could change the investigation.

“Police are taking what happened to us seriously.”

Her revelation comes days after it was revealed another family fear their young daughter was almost snatched in the Algarve in 2010.

Met detectives are still awaiting permission to question three ex-staff at the complex in Praia da Luz where the McCanns were staying in May 2007.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/mum-claims-madeleine-mccann-kidnappers-3127121

i.e. More rollocks from the paper where 'tony sardine muncher parsons' purveyor of xenophobic filth resides.

Has he withdrawn the false allegation that Amaral told the mccanns to #### off yet ?