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Other Forums and Organisations => Jeremy Bamber forum => Topic started by: scipio_usmc on December 27, 2015, 04:31:12 PM
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He is posting about blood being near the telephone in the kitchen.
He also falsely claimed today that Sheila's DNA was not found in the moderator. Even though the DNA found in the moderator is totally irrelevant her DNA and the DNA of at least one of the twins was also found inside in addition to June's DNA and DNA they could not identify the contributor.
Furthermore he claimed that the judge stated Julie's testimony alone could not convict Jeremy and that a better lawyer could have got Jeremy off. In reality the judge stated that if the jury believed Julie's testimony that was sufficient alone to convict. But that was not the only evidence anyway against Jeremy. They didn't have to rely on her testimony alone there was plenty of evidence that accorded with her testimony.
Steve seems to have become a big Mike and Jeremy fan at the same time he attacks people for recognizing there was reasonable doubt of David Bain's guilt. Steveuk seems to have his wires totally crossed.
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He is posting about blood being near the telephone in the kitchen.
He also falsely claimed today that Sheila's DNA was not found in the moderator. Even though the DNA found in the moderator is totally irrelevant her DNA and the DNA of at least one of the twins was also found inside in addition to June's DNA and DNA they could not identify the contributor.
Furthermore he claimed that the judge stated Julie's testimony alone could not convict Jeremy and that a better lawyer could have got Jeremy off. In reality the judge stated that if the jury believed Julie's testimony that was sufficient alone to convict. But that was not the only evidence anyway against Jeremy. They didn't have to rely on her testimony alone there was plenty of evidence that accorded with her testimony.
Steve seems to have become a big Mike and Jeremy fan at the same time he attacks people for recognizing there was reasonable doubt of David Bain's guilt. Steveuk seems to have his wires totally crossed.
How do you know Steve_uk is male?
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How do you know Steve_uk is male?
I think Steve is a male for the same reason I thought you were a female even before you told me you got a bra for Christmas. Holly is a feminine name and Steve is a masculine name. Are you just busting my balls or are you privy to inside information that Steve is not male? No one has corrected me when saying he so I kept doing it.
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I think Steve is a male for the same reason I thought you were a female even before you told me you got a bra for Christmas. Holly is a feminine name and Steve is a masculine name. Are you just busting my balls or are you privy to inside information that Steve is not male? No one has corrected me when saying he so I kept doing it.
'Steve' might simply be a username. I'm not privy to any inside info, and if I was it's unlikely I would spill, but I do spend a lot of time carefully reading posts. Female intuition but I might be wrong. I have been known to be wrong in the past!
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'Steve' might simply be a username. I'm not privy to any inside info, and if I was it's unlikely I would spill, but I do spend a lot of time carefully reading posts. Female intuition but I might be wrong. I have been known to be wrong in the past!
I can't post on blue anymore so someone else will have to ask.
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Gosh - rubbishing posters on the blue by name - are you missing everybody? That's a bit low though is it not ? Even for you. I thought you were an intelligent debater - not a playground sneak.
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Gosh - rubbishing posters on the blue by name - are you missing everybody? That's a bit low though is it not ? Even for you. I thought you were an intelligent debater - not a playground sneak.
What sneak? A sneak says things in private I challenge them in open sight. They read this board religiously, they constantly comment on what is posted here. They also are free to post here if they so choose.
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What sneak? A sneak says things in private I challenge them in open sight. They read this board religiously, they constantly comment on what is posted here. They also are free to post here if they so choose.
And that's the thing. The "truce" that nelly desperately scrambled for, when he was outed, has long-since melted into the ether. We're just one big forum. Except I'm not allowed to give Clapped-Out a pounding, because apparently she'll top herself. Personally, I think that it would take a nuclear explosion to see her off.
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Caroline:
"It's not against the law to know about a crime and not tell but if a police officer asks you if you know anything and you lie - then it's a crime."
There is a caveat to this. Lying to police by saying you know nothing when you actually do (omitting things you know) do is not a crime in general. Lying about something material in an effort to assist a criminal whether by providing a false alibi or providing other misleading information is on the other hand a crime. Am omission doesn't put police in a worse place than they were. Providing misleading information potentially does put them in a worse place (assuming they believe it) and constitutes an intentional effort to obstruct.
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Steve_uk I think you will find the twins were fraternal and not identical as you claim:
http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,8549.msg413674.html?PHPSESSID=4rr536ci74rrcv7h6686rtbas2#msg413674
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Steve_uk I think you will find the twins were fraternal and not identical as you claim:
http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,8549.msg413674.html?PHPSESSID=4rr536ci74rrcv7h6686rtbas2#msg413674
And Steve despite all your piety about CC and the twins the fact you claimed wrongly the twins were identical speaks volumes.
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And Steve despite all your piety about CC and the twins the fact you claimed wrongly the twins were identical speaks volumes.
And your forum avatar even contains an image of the twins.
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From Steve_uk today:
But Sheila's blood was located in the silencer, which was impossible for him to explain away..
http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,9200.msg432156.html#msg432156
Patrick J Lincoln testified that the blood found in the silencer was specific to Sheila Caffell.
http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,9200.msg432183.html#msg432183
No Steve SC's blood wasn't located in the silencer and Dr Lincoln didn't testify that the blood found in the silencer was specific to Sheila Caffell.
The flake of blood supposedly found inside the silencer matched SC's blood groupings which at the time were shared by about 8% of unrelated white British people as stated by Dr Lincoln in a report for the defence:
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=276.0;attach=923
About 8% of unrelated white British people would be expected to have this combination of groups.
IMO you place way too much emphasis on lay witness testimony: Doris Foakes, Charles Marsden, JM, James Richard, BW at the expense of understanding the forensics. Are you unable or unwilling?
And Steve_uk its Eley not Ely. The cartridges used in the murders/suicide at WHF were manufactured by Eley. Ely is home to a beautiful cathedral in the city of Ely, Cambridgeshire, not far from Malcolm Fletcher and FSS. The fact you overlooked this speaks volumes.
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And Steve despite all your piety about CC and the twins the fact you claimed wrongly the twins were identical speaks volumes.
Where does it state that the twins were 'not' identical? The fact that several people were unable to tell them apart would indicate differently?
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Where does it state that the twins were 'not' identical? The fact that several people were unable to tell them apart would indicate differently?
I haven't seen anything referring to the twins as fraternal or identical I was just going on images in the public domain and to my eyes they don't look identical. They are mostly dressed differently too. I don't recall CC's book referring to them as identical or that people couldn't tell them apart.
Who were the several people? I'm only aware AE said she had difficulty in differentiating, who were the others? It seems to me AE only saw them on the odd occasion and hadn't seen them for some considerable time. They obviously look similar and being the same age/build would make it difficult perhaps for someone like AE who only saw them infrequently and hadn't been in their company for some time. JM put them to bed at the party on the Sat before. A member of the Howie family offered to identify all victims so I'm assuming he/she felt able to do so.
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I haven't seen anything referring to the twins as fraternal or identical I was just going on images in the public domain and to my eyes they don't look identical. They are mostly dressed differently too. I don't recall CC's book referring to them as identical or that people couldn't tell them apart.
Who were the several people? I'm only aware AE said she had difficulty in differentiating, who were the others? It seems to me AE only saw them on the odd occasion and hadn't seen them for some considerable time. They obviously look similar and being the same age/build would make it difficult perhaps for someone like AE who only saw them infrequently and hadn't been in their company for some time. JM put them to bed at the party on the Sat before. A member of the Howie family offered to identify all victims so I'm assuming he/she felt able to do so.
I think they were identical Holly, I will type out the relevant passage but CC didn't want to identify them so in order to differentiate them to Jones, he told him that one of them had a scar on his cheek. Julie offered to ID them because she could tell them apart.
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I think they were identical Holly, I will type out the relevant passage but CC didn't want to identify them so in order to differentiate them to Jones, he told him that one of them had a scar on his cheek. Julie offered to ID them because she could tell them apart.
They were the same age, height and build with blonde hair and blue eyes so there was little to differentiate them. Some photos they look fraternal and others identical but I can't recall CC saying they were identical.
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They were the same age, height and build with blonde hair and blue eyes so there was little to differentiate them. Some photos they look fraternal and others identical but I can't recall CC saying they were identical.
I am positive they were identical twins. I will have to find a source to convince you.
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I am positive they were identical twins. I will have to find a source to convince you.
I've always been sure that the boys were identical twins. Nicholas would get cross if people thought that he was Daniel, but Daniel didn't mind.
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I've always been sure that the boys were identical twins. Nicholas would get cross if people thought that he was Daniel, but Daniel didn't mind.
I'm convinced they were the result of one fertilized egg dividing- as opposed to two individual eggs being fertilized. I think I recall it being said of them that they could read each other's thoughts, finish each other's sentences, speak for each other and with each other in their own private 'language'. Whilst this maybe apocryphal, it certainly suggests identical.
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I've always been sure that the boys were identical twins. Nicholas would get cross if people thought that he was Daniel, but Daniel didn't mind.
I recall from CC's book the elder liked to tell everyone he was the eldest. I can't recall who was the eldest now Daniel or Nicholas.
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I recall from CC's book the elder liked to tell everyone he was the eldest. I can't recall who was the eldest now Daniel or Nicholas.
From Steve_uk
http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,4405.msg432607.html#msg432607
Not really worth replying to Red, but:
1) I stand corrected on the Eley cartridges, but it is a pity that the Official Site occasionally slips into the same mistake: http://www.jeremy-bamber.co.uk/silencer
I became aware of the cathedral city of Ely when they won Jeux Sans Frontières in 1973.
2) I read all witness statements, but when a common scenario appears to be vouchsafed I do sit up and take notice.
3) Are Daniel and Nicholas identical twins or not? Is it really so important to make a meal of this..http://www.alamy.com/stock-photo-murder-victims-of-their-uncle-jeremy-bamber-twins-nicholas-and-daniel-20400036.html
Why bother replying then? No one forced you.
1). Since when does anyone treat the OS as a reliable source of info? The info in the link from Eley highlighted with a marker pen "The non-greasy lubricant..." was info I forwarded to JB who clearly forwarded it to CT who added it to OS along with Yvonne Hartley's name. Nothing to do with Yvonne Hartley - that piece of info was down to me. I discussed it with JB and I have his correspondence asking me to forward hard copies which I did.
2). I try to communicate in plain English. Common scenario? Vouchsafed? No idea what you're talking about. As Nelly pointed out to you a few weeks ago you think you have a fancy way with words and have an over inflated idea about your own intellectual abilities. I would suggest your unnecessary use of esoteric words when attempting to communicate with the likes of me is designed to big yourself up. No pun intended!
3). If you think I'm going to post up images of the twins to score cheap points with the likes of you've seriously misread the situation as usual.
Oh and Steve I read your comments about adoptees empathising with JB and objectionable behaviour leading to bans clearly all aimed at me. Firstly nothing to do with adoption and all to do with my understanding of 'attachment' from my psychology course. Secondly any "objectionable behaviour" on my part could never match yours:
http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,4226.msg175084.html#msg175084
As much as I found Gladys irritating I would draw the line at teasing.
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From Steve_uk
http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,4405.msg432607.html#msg432607
Not really worth replying to Red, but:
1) I stand corrected on the Eley cartridges, but it is a pity that the Official Site occasionally slips into the same mistake: http://www.jeremy-bamber.co.uk/silencer
I became aware of the cathedral city of Ely when they won Jeux Sans Frontières in 1973.
2) I read all witness statements, but when a common scenario appears to be vouchsafed I do sit up and take notice.
3) Are Daniel and Nicholas identical twins or not? Is it really so important to make a meal of this..http://www.alamy.com/stock-photo-murder-victims-of-their-uncle-jeremy-bamber-twins-nicholas-and-daniel-20400036.html
Why bother replying then? No one forced you.
1). Since when does anyone treat the OS as a reliable source of info? The info in the link from Eley highlighted with a marker pen "The non-greasy lubricant..." was info I forwarded to JB who clearly forwarded it to CT who added it to OS along with Yvonne Hartley's name. Nothing to do with Yvonne Hartley - that piece of info was down to me. I discussed it with JB and I have his correspondence asking me to forward hard copies which I did.
2). I try to communicate in plain English. Common scenario? Vouchsafed? No idea what you're talking about. As Nelly pointed out to you a few weeks ago you think you have a fancy way with words and have an over inflated idea about your own intellectual abilities. I would suggest your unnecessary use of esoteric words when attempting to communicate with the likes of me is designed to big yourself up. No pun intended!
3). If you think I'm going to post up images of the twins to score cheap points with the likes of you've seriously misread the situation as usual.
Oh and Steve I read your comments about adoptees empathising with JB and objectionable behaviour leading to bans clearly all aimed at me. Firstly nothing to do with adoption and all to do with my understanding of 'attachment' from my psychology course. Secondly any "objectionable behaviour" on my part could never match yours:
http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,4226.msg175084.html#msg175084
As much as I found Gladys irritating I would draw the line at teasing.
Blimey, I'd almost forgotten just what a MASSIVE bellpiece Gladys was. %56&
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Blimey, I'd almost forgotten just what a MASSIVE bellpiece Gladys was. %56&
I think it's thanks to April and Caroline that he hasn't resurfaced.
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I think it's thanks to April and Caroline that he hasn't resurfaced.
Ye think? He had a couple of melt downs with me but on the whole, I didn't have much of a problem with him. If that's why he's staying away, I think that's silly.
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I think it's thanks to April and Caroline that he hasn't resurfaced.
Eh? Surely such a big, strong, gobby guy wouldn't be scared of pussy cats.................would he &^^&*
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Ye think? He had a couple of melt downs with me but on the whole, I didn't have much of a problem with him. If that's why he's staying away, I think that's silly.
Gladys??? Doing something silly???
"Hey assholes, my name's Gav and I'm in the SAS......"
Ah.
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Gladys??? Doing something silly???
"Hey assholes, my name's Gav and I'm in the SAS......"
Ah.
SAS...more like BGBB...Big Girls Blouse Brigade!
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I wonder why it is that someone who has claimed, for years, to know 'the full and true story' of Sheila's death, feels it necessary to keep throwing in ludicrous, clearly untrue, and obvious red herrings into the mix. I also wonder how can suddenly be recalled, with clarity, as back-up to points being made, previously unrevealed information from years back.
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I wonder why it is that someone who has claimed, for years, to know 'the full and true story' of Sheila's death, feels it necessary to keep throwing in ludicrous, clearly untrue, and obvious red herrings into the mix. I also wonder how can suddenly be recalled, with clarity, as back-up to points being made, previously unrevealed information from years back.
Because he's a silly little man with self-aggrandisement issues, who should get off his fat, lazy arse and get a job at B & Q. And Nelly should know better than encourage him.
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I wonder why it is that someone who has claimed, for years, to know 'the full and true story' of Sheila's death, feels it necessary to keep throwing in ludicrous, clearly untrue, and obvious red herrings into the mix. I also wonder how can suddenly be recalled, with clarity, as back-up to points being made, previously unrevealed information from years back.
I suppose it might be possible that a person who would go to such lengths might have have their own agenda. That trying to prove someone's innocence is secondary. That the real reason is something other, perhaps?
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Because he's a silly little man with self-aggrandisement issues, who should get off his fat, lazy arse and get a job at B & Q. And Nelly should know better than encourage him.
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His prolific mass debating with Nigel Self suggests he has transferrable skills to a DIY environment!
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His prolific mass debating with Nigel Self suggests he has transferrable skills to a DIY environment!
But could any advice or recommendations he/they gave you be trusted?
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But could any advice or recommendations he/they gave you be trusted?
I bet a few sparks would fly! And security and surveillance would need tripling.
Mike seriously why not give it a go? I can see you in an orange apron at B&Q. You could even start up your own DIY blog with how to tutorials. We've seen how effective you are here:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-eS29x-eL-w
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Steve I thought of you this morning in the Waitrose Cafe whilst reading the DM and sipping my 30p Waitrose cardholder single shot, extra hot, latte.
"The diary pages Anne Frank wanted to hide":
"Anne Frank wrote cheeky jokes about sex, contraception, and prostitution in her diary - but covered them up, it has emerged"....
I do hope this doesn't upset your puritanical sensibilities Steve 8)-)))
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And Steve your sanctimony is nauseating:
http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,4405.msg180688.html#msg180688
Had you read A/PS Woodcock's WS with a modicum of objectivity then you would appreciate the discrepancy between his account of SC's found position and soc images. The former supported by forensic scientist Dr Ismail. Steve it's even on the same page that you have referred to in your melo-dramatic post.
Remember you also called it wrong re Dr Lincoln's evidence on the blood groups by overlooking the fact the groups pertained to 8% of the white British population. If only you could stick to science and facts Steve and not appeal to peoples' senses through melo-drama which will ultimately prove to be your undoing.
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I bet a few sparks would fly! And security and surveillance would need tripling.
Mike seriously why not give it a go? I can see you in an orange apron at B&Q. You could even start up your own DIY blog with how to tutorials. We've seen how effective you are here:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-eS29x-eL-w (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-eS29x-eL-w)
8((()*/
Or as a greeter at the door...
"Go ahead and make my day, punk... buy a big fat tub of Plumber's Mait, or I'll fill ya full o' lead".