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Re: The Earlier Reports Made about the case
« Reply #285 on: January 03, 2018, 08:35:09 AM »
Joanna Yeates murder: Why haven't cops viewed CCTV near the murder scene?

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Police hunting Jo Yeates’ killer may have missed vital clues by failing to carry out basic checks on the nearest CCTV cameras to where her body was found, it was claimed last night.

Police hunting Jo Yeates’ killer may have missed vital clues by failing to carry out basic checks on the nearest CCTV cameras to where her body was found, it was claimed last night.

Two cameras at the Redwood Hotel point out to the road which her murderer would almost certainly have driven along.

Management at the hotel - adjacent to Longwood Lane where Jo’s frozen body was found on Christmas Day – claimed detectives hadn’t asked for footage from the cameras.

Duty manager Sue Card said in a statement: “The police did not come here on Christmas Day. The police have not seen any of our CCTV footage and nor have they ever asked to.”

But police are adamant they DID visit the hotel on December 25th and say they were told the cameras weren’t working.

The article goes on to say.....

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The apparent confusion over the cameras - which are pointed at the entrance and exit and aimed out towards the road - comes amid criticism in some quarters of the Avon and Somerset force’s investigation into Jo’s death.

Yesterday a force spokesman said: “We went to Redwood Hotel to get the CCTV in the very early stages of the investigation - when Jo was still just a missing person.

“We were told that a new company had taken over the CCTV and that the cameras were up but not recording. We have been to the hotel during the weeks that Jo was missing and been given lists of people who were at the hotel. We are working through those lists now.”


So what Information had the Police been given when Joanna yeates was still a "Missing Person" for them to go to the Redwood Hotel?

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Yesterday a force spokesman said: “We went to Redwood Hotel to get the CCTV in the very early stages of the investigation - when Jo was still just a missing person.

If they had reason to go to the Redwood Hotel early on in the Investigation, why wasn't the search in that area... who told them that Joanna Yeates could have been at the Redwood Hotel??

If it was not Joanna yeates that they were looking for on the CCTV it had to be a Car (imo).. It's the only other logical answer, therefore meaning that they had a possible suspect early on in the Investigation...

So who's car were they looking for?? It cannot have been the car that Dr Vincent Tabak drove, or it would have come to trial as evidence ....

What or whom were the Police looking for on the CCTV from the Redwood Hotel whilst Joanna Yeates was still a "Missing Person???? And why The Redwood Hotel?? They must have followed "A" car from A to B to come to that area....  Remember before the CCTV at Clifton Suspension Bridge was suddenly too grainy to see anything, they had Interviewed someone, if my memory serves me correctly.... So I believe they could have quite possibly have followed that cars movements...

It cannot be coincidence that the Police, check the Redwood Hotel CCTV footage whilst Joanna Yeates is still "Missing" and Joanna Yeates is found in that area of Bristol...

What did the Police know that they never divulged.... There has to be a connection to someone in that area, and it wasn't Dr Vincent Tabak...!

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“We were told that a new company had taken over the CCTV and that the cameras were up but not recording. We have been to the hotel during the weeks that Jo was missing and been given lists of people who were at the hotel. We are working through those lists now.”

So they also took a list of people who were at the HOTEL!  Why???...  she was  "Missing" and apparently no-one knows her movements.... Yet the Police have Information to the contrary!




http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/joanna-yeates-murder-why-havent-cops-173802

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Re: The Earlier Reports Made about the case
« Reply #286 on: January 14, 2018, 01:04:31 PM »
From the News footage I have linked..... the description says....

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Joanna Yeates murder: Police investigation continues
Joanna Yeates murder: Police investigation continues; ENGLAND: Somerset: Bristol: EXT/NIGHT Blurred shots of people along street (where murdered landscape architect Joanna Yeates was last seen alive)

Now watching the Footage I did notice a "Bench Clothing Sign"... 
WestWorld.. a shop who's address is.. 35-37 Park Street, sold "Bench Clothing"

But that clip is not on "Park Street".....

Firstly there is a huge display advert, which touches the ground, that looks more in keeping for a shopping centre...

Secondly... To the left of the lady in red... There appears to be a staircase and a slopped area for bicycles.. (image 3) You can make out the people on the stairs...

Thirdly..... The man smoking walking down the street, above him to the left we can see people high up... They appear to be on a stair case...  (image4)

Going back to "Bench"  House of Fraser at cabot Circus sell "Bench Clothing" There is also a "Nero cafe" near by....

Colin Port told the Leveson that Joanna Yeates was seen on "Nero Cafe's CCTV... He didn't tell us which one... He let us believe it was the one near The Hop House Pub..... But was it???

Was Joanna Yeates at Cabot Circus?? Is this footage from there ?? I don't know Bristol so I can't say... But I can say the footage is NOT "Park Street"...

So where is all the Footage of Joanna Yeates ??

And is the reason the footage blurred... because it isn't Park Street where she was supposed to be... But a shopping Centre... looking at the images we can see!!!


Had Joanna Yeates been given a lift??

What do we really know about Joanna Yeates Journey that evening???!



https://www.gettyimages.co.uk/detail/video/police-investigation-continues-england-somerset-bristol-news-footage/655299668

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Re: The Earlier Reports Made about the case/Alternative Route Home
« Reply #287 on: January 26, 2018, 11:09:13 AM »
By DAILY EXPRESS REPORTER
PUBLISHED: 00:00, Sun, Jan 16, 2011


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Did Joanna Yeates leaving early give killer a chance?

JO YEATES may have survived if she had stayed celebrating Christmas with her colleagues in a Bristol pub, it emerged yesterday.

Her female friends later took taxis home, but police fear Jo may have met, or been seen by, her killer while walking to her flat. On December 17, the night she vanished, Jo left the Bristol Ram pub at 8pm, while the others stayed on.

Men in the group grew concerned about some of the younger women as the night wore on, and called cabs for them. A source at Jo’s architect company, BDP, said: “No one was particularly concerned about Jo as she called it a night and left just after 8pm, very respectably early for a Christmas night out. Had she stayed put, she would have been included in the cab run which saw the girls safely home.”

Something must have been going on??  Why are the men in the pub concerned for the womans safety??  If there had been some kind of risk in the area, surely Joanna Yeates wouldn't have walked all the way home on her own?

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Police are not sure precisely which route Jo took, but the Sunday Express has established that she spent at least 20 minutes in the busy Regent Street area. Now detectives are asking: did she meet her killer in Regent Street or was it there that a stalker targeted her?

Officers are also investigating whether she spent any time at The Clifton in Regent Street, a popular pub 10 minutes from her home.

The Sunday Express can also reveal that Jo walked past a row of taxis in Clifton Down Road, five minutes from The Clifton.

One taxi driver who believes he saw her has contacted the police. A fellow cabbie said: “If she had got a cab from the rank she could well be alive today.”

The taxi driver believes he saw her...Where exactly was this Taxi?? why hasn't that been checked? we don't know what time this is that the taxi driver is talking about.. Did she walk or get a bus along clifton down??  the bus route would stop at the top of Percival Road,.. making screams that are heard on that road more believeable.. Or did she take a detour to meet someone??

Did she meet someone at Clifton Station??
Glenis Caruthers... Don't think it was a complete red herring.. Maybe them mentioning her and Bristol Zoo was more to do with the route that Joanna Yeates took...  She appears to be wandering about aimlessly. And they did check CCTV there..

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Bristol Zoo has handed over CCTV tapes to detectives from the night Joanna Yeates vanished.

I think we get an alternative route for Joanna Yeates...

Remember when I posted about the images from the media showing a shopping centre.. well maybe there was a reason for that!

Did Joanna Yeates get a bus on to "White Ladies Road to Clifton Down Station , where there would be a Taxi Rank??

Alternative route home...

* Bus on White ladies Road or lift ?

* Go past the shopping centre, maybe goes in

* Arrives at Clifton Down Station

* Doesn't take a Taxi, probably meet someone and got a lift

* Drives back to Canygne Road

* Passes Bristol Zoo

* Didn't arrive home as there is "NO" CCTV of her on Canygne Road

So are we know looking for the CCTV from The train Station to her home??  Colin Port said "The Hop House Pub was the last know CCTV... She could easily have got a lift or a bus from there.




http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1346836/Joanna-Yeates-murder-Bristol-Zoo-CCTV-footage-used-hunt-murderer.html#ixzz55HmSpvGk

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/223431/Did-Joanna-Yeates-leaving-early-give-killer-a-chance

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Re: The Earlier Reports Made about the case
« Reply #288 on: January 26, 2018, 04:09:27 PM »
Believing that the media knew more than they were saying, this article ,then makes sesne... It was written on the 24th December 2010..


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Police searching for missing architect Jo Yeates discover a woman's body
By Daily Mail Reporter
CREATED: 14:38, 24 December 2010

Discovery made about four miles from the missing architect's flat
No official identification made as pathologist is called to the scene
Grim find made early this morning by a couple walking their dog
Joanna Yeates
Missing: Joanna Yeates. The body of a young woman has been found on a snow-covered verge

Police searching for missing Jo Yeates say they have found a woman's body close to a golf course.

No identification has been made on the body which was discovered about four miles from the flat she shared with her boyfriend.

The discovery was made today by a couple walking their dogs in the Failand area of North Somerset, an Avon and Somerset Police spokesman said.

A force spokesman said: 'At 9am this morning a couple walking their dogs found the body of a young woman in a roadside verge in Longwood Lane in the Failand area of North Somerset.

'The area has been cordoned off and Longwood Lane has been closed at both ends by police, pending an examination of the scene by crime scene investigators.

'A pathologist will be attending the scene to examine the body.

Now why would they produce that article. a day before we Officially told she had been found???

They had found her before... !!! Everything in this case is staged!!! (imo)


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1341452/Jo-Yeates-murder-Police-search-missing-architect-finds-womans-body.html#ixzz55J72EDcE

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Re: The Earlier Reports Made about the case
« Reply #289 on: February 01, 2018, 04:42:03 PM »
Believing that the media knew more than they were saying, this article ,then makes sesne... It was written on the 24th December 2010..

Now why would they produce that article. a day before we Officially told she had been found???

They had found her before... !!! Everything in this case is staged!!! (imo)

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1341452/Jo-Yeates-murder-Police-search-missing-architect-finds-womans-body.html#ixzz55J72EDcE
Have you forgotten to take your medicine? Of course the article wasn't written on Xmas eve - it was written over an earlier article about the case, and some inebriated sub-editor forgot to reset the date.

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Re: The Earlier Reports Made about the case/Alternative Route Home
« Reply #290 on: February 01, 2018, 04:48:24 PM »
By DAILY EXPRESS REPORTER
PUBLISHED: 00:00, Sun, Jan 16, 2011

Something must have been going on??  Why are the men in the pub concerned for the womans safety??  If there had been some kind of risk in the area, surely Joanna Yeates wouldn't have walked all the way home on her own?

The taxi driver believes he saw her...Where exactly was this Taxi?? why hasn't that been checked? we don't know what time this is that the taxi driver is talking about.. Did she walk or get a bus along clifton down??  the bus route would stop at the top of Percival Road,.. making screams that are heard on that road more believeable.. Or did she take a detour to meet someone??

Did she meet someone at Clifton Station??
Glenis Caruthers... Don't think it was a complete red herring.. Maybe them mentioning her and Bristol Zoo was more to do with the route that Joanna Yeates took...  She appears to be wandering about aimlessly. And they did check CCTV there..

I think we get an alternative route for Joanna Yeates...

Remember when I posted about the images from the media showing a shopping centre.. well maybe there was a reason for that!

Did Joanna Yeates get a bus on to "White Ladies Road to Clifton Down Station , where there would be a Taxi Rank??

Alternative route home...

* Bus on White ladies Road or lift ?

* Go past the shopping centre, maybe goes in

* Arrives at Clifton Down Station

* Doesn't take a Taxi, probably meet someone and got a lift

* Drives back to Canygne Road

* Passes Bristol Zoo

* Didn't arrive home as there is "NO" CCTV of her on Canygne Road

So are we know looking for the CCTV from The train Station to her home??  Colin Port said "The Hop House Pub was the last know CCTV... She could easily have got a lift or a bus from there.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1346836/Joanna-Yeates-murder-Bristol-Zoo-CCTV-footage-used-hunt-murderer.html#ixzz55HmSpvGk

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/223431/Did-Joanna-Yeates-leaving-early-give-killer-a-chance
It is all intended to preempt William Clegg's defence - that Joanna would still be alive today IF she had just done this, just done the other, just not done that, etc. The media have been harnessed to perish the thought that Joanna was killed by someone who wanted Joanna dead, and not just any petite blonde who happened to be within strangling distance. Think £40,000 in her bank account. Think devoted boyfriend whose body language signals something different. Think very very very very vague landlord who saw persons on her front path close to the time of her murder.

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Re: The Earlier Reports Made about the case
« Reply #291 on: February 01, 2018, 05:59:15 PM »
Just noticed this leonora...

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Field told the panel that if anything "unsettling" happened during the trial they should report it to the usher. He said the prosecution would open the case against Tabak on Monday. On Tuesday they would be taken on a bus from Bristol crown court to "various locations" connected to the case.

The judge released the jury until next week and advised them to put the case "entirely from your mind until Monday morning when you're back in court and the trial will proceed".

Tuesday would be the 11th October 2011 but we are told that the jury visit on the 12th October 2011, So they had 1 whole day in which to change the flat from what the jury apparently saw to when the media went in on their little tour...!!!

We know that the media manipulated what happened at this trial... So did they hold on to report the jury visit... Or did the jury not actually visit the flat??

We have reporting from the trial on Tuesday the 11th October 2011..

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Joanna Yeates suffered 43 injuries in a prolonged ‘violent struggle’ as she fought for her life, a jury heard yesterday.

Marks on the 25-year-old’s body were said to be consistent with her being pinned down and strangled with both hands by her 6ft 4in neighbour Vincent Tabak. Tabak admits the manslaughter of Miss Yeates but denies her murder.

Yesterday, on the second day of his murder trial, the jury at Bristol Crown Court heard described in harrowing detail the final moments of the landscape architect’s life.

Why would the day of the Jury visit be changed and not reported that it had been changed??... Was it changed ??



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2047800/Vincent-Tabak-trial-Joanna-Yeates-suffered-43-injuries-slow-painful-death.html#ixzz55seRDsl1

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2011/oct/06/joanna-yeates-murder-trial-jury

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2011/oct/12/joanna-yeates-jury-visit-flat

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Re: The Earlier Reports Made about the case
« Reply #292 on: February 02, 2018, 06:31:40 AM »
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Thu 6 Oct 2011 14.20 BST

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A jury has been sworn in to hear the trial of Vincent Tabak, the man accused of murdering the Bristol landscape architect Joanna Yeates.

This is one of the earliest report of the trial of Dr Vincent Tabak, a jury being sworn in and informed not to research anything to do with the case.

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He reminded the jury he had instructed them not to read the reporting of the trial or do any of their own research on it. He has also told them not to view discussions on social network sites about the case. The judge said these instructions were of the "utmost importance" and any breach of his directions could lead to them being in contempt of court.

Now it all sounds like common sense, except you have a jury pool of many people whom have been called to Bristol Crown Court to hear what ever trials are taking place and are sat in a common room waiting to be called to it's many court rooms.. Everyone of those potential jurors where aware that they may be called to be a juror on The Dr Vincent Tabak Trial... 

Human nature tells us they would and could have research any material about the case before being called as a juror on that case, and before being sworn in... Some jurors may have already had an opinion of Dr Vincent Tabak and the Murder of Joanna Yeates... They were all local and could not have avoided the massive publicity that had already surrounded the Investigation ...

But.. Before they are sworn in, there are images that are already available about Dr Vincent Tabak... Images that bare such statements as ...

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William Clegg QC (C), who is representing Vincent Tabak, arrives at Bristol Crown Court on October 4, 2011 in Bristol, England. The trial of Vincent Tabak, a 33-year-old Dutch engineer accused of murdering landscape architect Jo Yeates began today. Tabak admits the manslaughter of his neighbour Miss Yeates, who was found dead on Christmas Day last year, but denies murdering her.

This being 2 full days before the people whom are sat in a room waiting to see if they would be called to be on the jury of The trial of Dr Vincent Tabak, could easily see read and be influenced by the wording upon such images...

Admits Manslaughter... 

Those words could be ringing in a Jurors ears 2 days before they sat down to listen to evidence and make a judgement to his Guilt...  That is not the only image... there are 6 in total.. 6 images saying 6 times that Dr vincent Tabak pleaded guilty to manslaughter, before the Jury have been sworn in...

Image 3... Is of DCI Phil Jones... Yet the image refers to him simply as Phil Jones... Question being why is Phil Jones at Bristol Crown Court on the 4th October 2011, when the jury have not been sworn in?? He doesn't give testimony .. So what brought Phil Jones to Bristol Crown Court on the 4th October 2011?? What was discussed on the 4th October 2011 that involved Phil Jones??

I am curious as to why they didn't refer to him as DCI Phil Jones??

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Phil Jones arrives at Bristol Crown Court on October 4, 2011 in Bristol, England. The trial of Vincent Tabak, a 33-year-old Dutch engineer accused of murdering landscape architect Jo Yeates began today. Tabak admits the manslaughter of his neighbour Miss Yeates, who was found dead on Christmas Day last year,

Did Phil Jones speak to the judge on the 4th October 2011??  I do not understand why he is there, before the jury are sworn in.....

Six times these images repeat that Dr Vincent Tabak has admitted to The Manslaughter of Joanna Yeates, before the jury is sworn in... 6 times potential juror have the information available to them before they take the oath...

6 Times they are reminded that Dr Vincent Tabak is guilty!!  So their minds are already made up before they have even sat down... Their minds are made up before they take the oath... Their minds are made up before they listen to ANY evidence... Because like a lot of jurors.. their minds were already made up before they entered the jury room, because the defendant wouldn't be on the stand if he hadn't done anything..!!

Therefore these 6 images cemented in the minds of the jury before they had taken the oath, that the man that stood before them was already guilty... because they had been told so....!!

Did they even bother really listening to the evidence ?? Did they really evaluate the content of the evidence... Or were they just bored and waiting for it to be over, so they could say in the jury room....

Well.. We knew he was guilty all along!!

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The clerk told the jury that Tabak, 33, was charged with murdering Yeates between 16 and 19 December last year. He informed them that the defendant had pleaded not guilty and it was the jury's job to say whether he was guilty or not.

Why would a jury let a man go free when they had it firmly planted in their heads that he had indeed killed Joanna Yeates...And their only option was to find him guilty of Murder or NOT!!...

They are not going to let hm walk out of court a free man!!

The information about The Manslaughter Plea, should never have been told to anyone as he hadn't the option to be found guilty of Manslaughter.. And by informing the world he admitted  to Manslaughter... The case was already Prejudiced!!..

That information legally as far as I am aware... Is not allowed to be known, as Dr Vincent Tabak wasn't being tried for Manslaughter.. Either Voluntary or Involuntary...

But just so any potential juror has forgotten what happened on the 5th May 2011... we have information available to the potential jurors that Dr Vincent Tabak had plead guilty to Manslaughter!!

And still... No one will stand up and be counted when it comes to the flagrant breaches of law and tell the public everything that went on in the trial of Dr Vincent Tabak and how his conviction should be thrown out by the Prejudicial reporting that had already taken place 5 months prior to arriving at trial to face a jury charged with The Murder of Joanna Yeates ....

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2011/oct/06/joanna-yeates-murder-trial-jury

https://www.gettyimages.co.uk/event/vincent-tabak-trial-begins-for-the-murder-of-joanna-yeates-128104139#phil-jones-arrives-at-bristol-crown-court-on-october-4-2011-in-the-picture-id127960923


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Re: The Earlier Reports Made about the case
« Reply #293 on: February 02, 2018, 12:01:03 PM »


Why would a jury let a man go free when they had it firmly planted in their heads that he had indeed killed Joanna Yeates...And their only option was to find him guilty of Murder or NOT!!...

They are not going to let hm walk out of court a free man!!



I'm no legal expert so this is mainly just applying logic.

Presumably after pleading guilty to manslaughter he was never going to be allowed to walk free. If they had found him not guilty of murder he would still have to face the consequences for manslaughter.

As for the jury being prejudiced by the knowledge that Tabak had admitted to being responsible for Joanna's death, well surely when he took the stand himself and talked about killing her (supposedly unintentionally) he would be providing them with the exact same knowledge that you claim is prejudicial i.e. that he has admitted to be responsible for her death.

I suspect, although once again I am no expert, that in a situation like this when someone's lesser plea is rejected the jury are allowed to know this and being set free was never an option. It's just down to them to decide if it was intentional or not rather than if he is responsible for her death.

I may be wrong though if someone with a greater knowledge of criminal law would like to explain how things work in that situation I'm happy to learn.

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Re: The Earlier Reports Made about the case
« Reply #294 on: February 03, 2018, 07:30:41 AM »
I'm no legal expert so this is mainly just applying logic.

Presumably after pleading guilty to manslaughter he was never going to be allowed to walk free. If they had found him not guilty of murder he would still have to face the consequences for manslaughter.

As for the jury being prejudiced by the knowledge that Tabak had admitted to being responsible for Joanna's death, well surely when he took the stand himself and talked about killing her (supposedly unintentionally) he would be providing them with the exact same knowledge that you claim is prejudicial i.e. that he has admitted to be responsible for her death.

I suspect, although once again I am no expert, that in a situation like this when someone's lesser plea is rejected the jury are allowed to know this and being set free was never an option. It's just down to them to decide if it was intentional or not rather than if he is responsible for her death.

I may be wrong though if someone with a greater knowledge of criminal law would like to explain how things work in that situation I'm happy to learn.

But to me it still doesn't make sense Baz.... Because the "Manslaughter Plea" was never know as to whether it was "Voluntary" or Involuntary" Manslaughter!!

So what happened to the type of Manslaughter plea??


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Re: The Earlier Reports Made about the case
« Reply #295 on: February 03, 2018, 10:58:17 AM »
But to me it still doesn't make sense Baz.... Because the "Manslaughter Plea" was never know as to whether it was "Voluntary" or Involuntary" Manslaughter!!

So what happened to the type of Manslaughter plea??

The question of whether the jury knowing his admission of responsibility for her death was predjudcial was what we were addressing. So which ever he pleaded to (and I don't even know if someone pleads to a specific type of manslaughter) the point remains the same. His own evidence would have given the jury the same information i.e. He has admitted to killing her and so it's clearly not prejudicial.


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Re: The Earlier Reports Made about the case
« Reply #296 on: March 26, 2018, 12:08:11 PM »
Most of what Clegg states about Joanna's actions fits in well with the accepted facts. Obviously she took her boots off once indoors.

I am delighted that you have at last pounced on the green fleece, however. No one else in court, or outside, referred to Joanna having a green fleece. However, in the videos, you can see she has something bright green on underneath her cream coat. It is either the green lining of the coat, or a separate green fleece. Mr. Clegg was just teasing the Prosecution for not bothering to clarify this point. If it were a separate fleece, it is possible that Mr Clegg knew that she had not in fact been wearing it that day, and that the videos were all taken on another occasion, and the timestamps tampered with.
leonora... after recently viewing the video about Rachell Nickell that was on TV in March I have never been able to clarify if 'The Papers" that Clegg refers to are the Case papers... or the Newspapers...

Which brings me back to The Green Fleece.... Did Clegg actually see evidence of this Green Fleece or did he just see it in the media like the rest of us??

The press tell Clegg all sorts... he appears to have a close relationship with them...  That is why I am asking if Clegg actually had seen evidence of the Green Fleece or it was just what he had seen on the video of Joanna Yeates...

To me it's perfectly Obvious he just saw the video... Because the Green Fleece as far as i know .... was never entered into evidence at trial and it could quiet easily been found on Longwood lane for all we know !!!!

Edit. What is to say that Dr Vincent Tabak hadn't touched this Green Fleece??  you would want tests done upon it ..... surely!!

But I don't believe that Dr vincent Tabak killed Joanna Yeates so a test would be irrelevant..... 

How many pieces of evidence taken from Canygne Road were looked at by the Defence??

Double Edit...  I feel I can question the Green fleece.... and how the defence came to know about it's existence.... Simply because The Flat that was Frozen in time did not have a Green Fleece anywhere inside it...  There were no images of this Green Fleece brought to trial other than the CCTV Footage... There were no images of the Flat in it's original state brought to trial before the clean up that has obviously taken place... And the only image of an article that is possibly a Green Fleece... Is that in the CCTV Footage of Joanna Yeates... No Timestamp available for these images !!

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Re: The Earlier Reports Made about the case/ A Cracked Case..
« Reply #297 on: March 27, 2018, 10:36:18 AM »
Application by Person with Legal Aid
to Change Solicitor


I was wondering what paper trial there should be about how Dr Vincent Tabak had changed Solicitors and why Paul Cook dropped or was given leave of his duties by Dr Vincent Tabak....

I remember Kelcey Halls statement about a Platinum Service.. which would not happen on legal aid....  I believe that it is important to know 'When" the change over too place... And whenand how Dr Vincent Tabak instructed William Clegg to be his new solicitor...

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1. Give the information asked for in PART 1 and then send the form to the NEW
solicitors you want to represent you. You can attach extra pages if there is not
enough room but make sure you write your name and case number on the
attached sheets. If you fill out the form on a computer the boxes will expand to fit
your content. If you wish to email the form you can sign it electronically.

2. The new solicitors have to give the information in PART 2 and then send copies to
the court AND to your present solicitors.

3. Your present solicitors have to respond to the application by providing the
information in PART 3 and send a copy to you AND to the court.

4. The court will make a decision and inform the Legal Aid Agency. SOLICITORS
PLEASE NOTE: it is essential that the solicitor’s account number and MAAT
number are on the form or a new representation order cannot be produced.

Did Dr Vincent Tabak sign the waiver...???

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Legal Professional Privilege: Conversations and letters between you and your
present solicitors about the case are private between you. This is called “Legal
Professional Privilege”. It means that when your present solicitors are asked about
your reasons for the change they cannot refer to any information that is private
between you unless you give your permission. If you give permission by ticking the
box below that is called “Waiver of Legal Professional Privilege”. This waiver is for
the purposes of this application only.
If you do not give permission then the court may think that your reasons would not
have stood up to examination if you had given permission.

This I believe is mighty important... If Dr Vincent Tabak didn't sign a waiver or even fill out a form, then the information collected by Paul Cook would stay with Paul Cook.... Meaning that William Clegg would have to start the Investigations into Dr Vincent Tabak Case from scratch....

When did Clegg take on Dr Vincent Tabak Case???

Now I find this slightly confusing.... When Clegg took over Dr Vincent Tabaks case wouldn't he apply for a change of date for the trial??

Now we have to add into the mix CJ.... I would say this because even though he was not charged he was still on bail until the 7th March 2011.... Was Clegg already Dr Vincent Tabak's solicitor by that time?? Wouldn't the fact that someone was still on police bail for this crime change the defence tactic as to maybe apportioning blame elsewhere?? (Unsure if that is a tatic that is used)..

I don't understand how Clegg had enough time to prepare Dr Vincent Tabak's Case??  I can only use Colin Stagg as an example and he spent the best part of a year in prison... yet Dr Vincent Tabak was in prison from 22nd January 2011 until the start of trial on 4th October 2011... barely anytime at all if you take into consideration that he changed solicitors also, to have a full Investigation into his case.... (imo)

I keep coming across things that are coincidental.... And need to understand the importance of dates....

* 4th October 2011 was the day after the new legal aid reforms came into place... 

How did that effect the defence of Dr Vincent Tabak??? Would he get a full and robust trial??  (Well imo he didn't anyway)

Whilst trying to understand this mine field I have found this table of fees proposal...(image attached)

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Description Measures
Overall
Cumulative
Saving
Option 1
Reform fee structures for cases heard in the Crown Court
that were determined in the Magistrates’ Court to be
suitable for summary trial (elected ‘either way’ cases).
Introduce new litigator and advocates fixed fees for either
way cases suitable for summary trial that result in a cracked
trial or a guilty plea; raise Lower and Higher Standard Fees
for either way category 1 cases at the Magistrates’ Court; no
longer pay the committal fees which applies when cases
move from the Magistrates’ Court to the Crown Court.
£25 million
Option 2
Reform fee structures for cases which go straight to the
Crown Court (‘indictable only’ cases) and for either way
cases found by the Magistrates’ Court to be unsuitable for
summary trial (committed ‘either way’ cases).
For litigators (solicitors), the fees for cracked cases would
be reduced by 25% across the whole set of fees. For
advocates, an 11% reduction in the AGFS fee for cases that
crackwould apply and harmonisation of all the Prosecution
Pages of Evidence (PPE) fees paid for all cases with PPE
between 1,000 and 10,000 which crack.
£40 million
Option 3a Align the fees paid for murder and manslaughter to the
same level as those paid in serious sexual cases £15 million
Option 3b
Amalgamate two of the fee groups for cases of dishonesty
to form a single group based on the value of the dishonest
act(s) below £100,000
£4 million
Option 4 Align Magistrates’ court fees in London with other major
urban areas £6 million
Option 5 Reduce ancillary payments to advocates (“bolt on”
payments); £9 million
Option 6 Harmonise payments in Very High Cost Cases (VHCC) for
cases expected to take up to 60 days at trial £3 million

So I believe that a reduction in fees payable would differ once the reforms came into effect...  Now I am not sure if there is any relation to The Reforms and The Case... I'm no legal expert... But if these fees and reductions were in effect when Dr Vincent Tabak stood for trial it make the case even more strange... I'm sure the cost was supposed to be great for the trial... But if reforms were in then should it have been?? I don't know

"Cracked Case"... Now thats a new term for me.... And this Case should have been a Cracked case as far as i can understand.....

When criminal trials are "cracked"

Claim...
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A "cracked" trial is one that's dropped because a witness doesn't turn up or withdraws their evidence.

There are other reasons for a case being Classed a Cracked case, but I will stick with the witness's as the reason for my explanation....

If vital witness's did not take the stand then why was this not a cracked case????  I can think of 18 reason why this should have been a cracked case in witness's alone......

(1) * CJ

(2) * Tanja Morson

(3) * Nurse Ruth Booth Pearson (examined Dr Vincent Tabak when he was arrested )

(4) * Daniel Birch ( Dog walker who found Joanna Yeates)

(5) * Samuel Huscroft (Friend Joanna Yeates ) (text received from Joanna Yeates )

(6) * Mathew Wood (Chris Yeates Friend... Joanna Yeates (text Received from Joanna Yeates )

(7)  * Sarah Maddox (At Dinner  Party Dr Vincent Tabak attended )

(8)  * PC Steve Archer ( Was there when Dr Vincent Tabak was arrested )

(9)  * Mathew Phillips (Heard a shreik... was at party on Canygne Road )

(10)* Louise Althrope (Attended Party with Dr Vincent Tabak)

(11) * Geofrey Hardyman (Tenant of 44 Canygne Road )

(12) * Elizabeth Chandler ( Office Manager at BDP)

(13) *  Shrikart Sharma ( Dr Vincent Tabak's Boss )

(14) * Glen O'Hare ( Hosted Part Dr Vincent Tabak attended ).

(15) * Anneleise Jackson, (PC... Greg's Phone Call statement )

(16) * Peter Lindsell  ( Friends of Joanna Yeates .. at Bristol Mead Station ( Text received from Joanna Yeates )

(17) * Andrew Lillie (Attended a Dinner Party with Dr Vincent Tabak )

(18)* Linda Marland (Attended Party Dr Vincent Tabak attended ) (party was in a bar in Bristol)


16 of those witness's didn't take the stand but had their evidence read out in court... That hearsay evidence was not challenged but allowed.... Why!!!


The 2 most important witness's were not at trial... that being CJ and Tanja Morson....  Two of the most important witness's to this case and there wasn't even a statement available from either of them.... There lack of testimony should have made this trial a 'cracked Trial... (imo)..  Did they both withdraw their statements or not make any in the first place????? either way someone should have said that this case is "Cracked" (imo)...

How did this case go to full trial???
How was that even possible???

We have no evidence... no witness's... no nothing, but an unsubstantiated account by the defendant to the crime with no supporting evidence to validate this claim...... Yet the trial was allowed to continue.... How??

What was this case about?? to show us how corrupt the system is?? Because thats how it appears to me if this case continued without any witness's who could confirm or deny anything about Dr Vincent Tabak and his movement and behaviour over the course of time...

This case should go down in the annals of history as the most unlawful case that has taken place...(imo) I cannot understand how this case managed to go to full trial.... It shouldn't.. yet no-one will say anything about it....

What was this case really about?? The poor demise of Joanna Yeates or An example of British Justice at it's worse??

Why wasn't it deemed a Cracked case in May 2011??

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A trial will generally be deemed to have “cracked” where a trial date has been set but the defendant pleads guilty on the day, or the prosecution has no evidence to give.

This means that the case is resolved without a trial. But lawyers, judges and witnesses will have prepared for one and booked in the necessary court time—so it’s not an efficient outcome. Cracked trials are a problem.

Apparently Dr Vincent Tabak plead guilty, the prosecution had No Evidence.....  And Dr Vincent tabak wasn't saying anything... So why wasn't it done and dusted then???

We know the prosecution had no evidence..... They didn't produce any witness's that would put Dr Vincent Tabak anywhere... no-one even put him on Canygne Road on Friday 17th December 2010.. No-one placed him on Longwood lane at anytime....

The prosecutions case consisted of searches on a computer... No Forensic Evidence from Joanna yeates Flat or Dr vincent tabak's Flat was entered into evidence, the DNA and the spot of blood could easily be explained away by a Defence council, so that wouldn't or shouldn't stand up in court...

A computer that didn't get analysed by the defence, that had been used by the defendants girlfriend also... A computer that should have been forensically tested independently, same with the Buro Happold Computers.... But the searches in themselves prove nothing as to what Dr Vincent Tabak actually did or did not do.... I will go back to the 2 searches he couldn't have done on the early morning hours of 18th December 2010.. when Dr Vincent Tabak was not at his residence at that time.... But picking up his girlfriend from her party.....

Did Clegg only read what the prosecution stated?? I can only conclude that is what he did.... ~Is that why Sally Ramages papers have incorrect information within them.... Is that the information that was given to Clegg??

I cannot see why someone like Sally Ramage would get information incorrect.... (imo)... But if Clegg didn't give a robust defence and relied only on the information provided by the prosecution and what he read in the press or what the press told him.... Then I can see why there are discrepancies within the pages that Sally Ramage wrote....

Clegg has already told us how he comes to his decisions with his recent Interview with Fiona Bruce... That shocked me entirely.... As he is supposed to gather evidence before making a judgement as to who killed Rachell Nickell....

Did he apply the same to Dr Vincent Tabak??? Did he just read what the papers said and not investigate this case for his client???

At ever turn I believe that Clegg failed his client, yet nothing is done about this case.... We are all lead to believe that the trial that took place was fair and just... But I have a different take on that.... They turned Dr Vincent Tabak into a monster when there was no evidence to support that claim.... A man that I believe is Innocent of the charges and conviction brought against him....

Even if you all believe that he is still guilty... surely you cannot sit back and allow our Justice system to be made a mockery of, when everything points to an Unfair trial and where this case should have been thrown out long before it came to trial in October 2011....



https://fullfact.org/crime/when-criminal-trials-are-cracked/
https://www.insidetime.org/download/publications/legal/legal-aid-criminal-manual-jul-14.pdf
https://www.justice.gov.uk/courts/procedure-rules/criminal/docs/october-2015/rep001-eng.pdf

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Re: The Earlier Reports Made about the case
« Reply #298 on: April 10, 2018, 04:39:07 PM »
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This last purchase was timed at 8.37pm, so, assuming she walked directly home, she would have been back no more than ten minutes later.

I have never understood the Tesco's time stamp....  Or the date lacking.....  I have mentioned before that I believe
 the video has gone through some sort of program.... I've just had a terrible thought..... Ok... lets go back to why it was believed that she hadn't left her home of her own accord.....

Answer: Because her things were left behind.....
People have said before that anyone could return them.... Which is true... We do not know who or what is connected to this.... arggggg.... What time did she really get home.... If someone was trying to make it look like she had been abducted.... Couldn't they have bought the pizza......

The article says that the purchase was timed at 8:37pm...  It doesn't say Joanna Yeates purchased the pizza at 8:37pm...  Am I just reading into this??? For someone to buy the Pizza, they had to be aware that she was dead (imo)... Therefore they should be on CCTV..... But if thats the case why haven't they been arrested??

I don't go with it being Dr Vincent Tabak.... what is going on!! Then we get this quote...

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Did someone lie in wait for her and pounce as she reached the flat — one of six in an imposing, stone-built, ­Victorian house?

We have 6 Flats that miraculously turn into 7..... Eh???  I said I thought the ground floor flat was one Flat.... And that points me back to believing what I first believed... And with that Dr Vincent Tabak had to live in the main house....

You see I never understood why The Media were taking footage of what should be DrVincent Tabaks Flat around the 22/23rd December 2010....  Well I will stick to my opinion and they weren't.... It was Joanna yeates Flat.....

Is there a door behind the bookcase like I had believed??



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1345194/Joanna-Yeates-Murder-Did-Jo-buy-dinner-killer.html#ixzz5CHdkCzuz


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« Reply #299 on: April 10, 2018, 09:08:41 PM »
Transcript of Rebecca Scott's Interview..............

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Everyone that knew Jo, absolutely loved her. She was em, (pause). Just full of life and energy erm, (Pause). she was just really bubbly,the girl has so much life left in her to live really. Erm (pause).. Just has this incredible warmth about her as well..

E.. Even people that didn't really know her but had met her, on a couple of occasions, you know they sort of equally... No not equally..but also devastated as to what's happened to her, she was instantly likeable.

Erm.. (licks lips)..  you know ambitious.. young woman that had done very well for herself, and was at a very happy point in her life as well.

(licks lips).. She was very creative.. person.. erm... (licks lips)..  she part part of...  she loved obviously the sort of outdoors life and she was really into gardening, but she was very arty., and creative so...  (pause)..  you know she......Landscape.... architect, yer it was the perfect career for her to take...

I've seen Jo and Greg together, er on numerous occasions now. And.....y .. you know it's quite obvious how besotted they were with each other.  Erm...  you know... Jo's not someone who will move into an apartment with someone and buy a cat with someone , you know.... on a whim, it was, very clear to everyone that knew her.... her and Greg were the real deal...

(licks lips).. She told me that her and Greg were er.. travelling back to her parents house Christmas eve and we'd arranged to meet in the evening.

(Big Pause).. She phoned me on the Friday ... erm.. I travelled home for Christmas on the Sunday..(gulp).. Erm... It was about 4 O'clock in the morning I woke up. Erm.. (licks lips) And saw that there was a message, on my phone from the police... Er... Informing me that she had gone missing...

Er... Obviously they'd seen on the phone that she'd phoned me. And.. obviously wanted me to get in touch... Erm....  I immediately sort of panicked and phoned Jo...

And Greg... Greg answered the phone....  I knew something was wrong... er I think, we all did.
Erm.. (pause)(licks lips) As soon as I found out her possesions were in the flat, you know , that was it.. I  knew that hadn't left the house of her own intention.

Erm (Deep Breath)... Then it was just a case really of whether she was aliv (I believe she was about to say alive!)...... still alive.... Whether she was being kept alive by someone or if she was dead really. And erm... (licks lips... looks thoughtful)... I think we all were ver.... In denial about the situation as much as we could be , but i think everybody, deep down everyone knew something was wrong... And sh... We all knew Jo and clearly she hadn't left the house of her own accord.

(Pause) It's been hard ter think about anything else since erm.. (pause) Per particularly those first few weeks... I ..I be lucky if I sort of slept (pause) at all really.... Erm.... Erm I think we were all desperate to do everything we could to get her back and erm... Myself and Emma had gone up to Bristol to erm er hand out posters and flyers erm....... (licks lips) And lots of her work colleagues were doing the same, so we all sort of got in contact, best coordinate, the sort of pulled resources and our time.

My parents knew Jo very well and they loved her to bits, erm.. you know obviously they have been concerned about myself as well. And erm.. they were quite keen to try and have some kind of a christmas, the best we could given the circumstances.

Erm..... (licks and purses lips)..
You know what when obviously when.... the the news was on con constantly... as soon as her body was found (someone speaks to her ) Yer Yer through the telly.

Myself and Emma her other close friends have been in regular contact.. Erm.. we obviously had a lot of mutual friends at home, who.. (pause) you know spent time with before attempting to return back to work.

Erm... But.. everybody's gutted... (Pause) As gutted as I was erm.. (Pause).... i knew she wasn't a A missing person she was... she'd been... she was either being held by someone Or had been murdered so.. (Big intake of breath) It was.... it was a relief... (big Pause) to know that she was ..N N N.... No more harm could have come to her (licks lips).

Erm... Well it should be fairly  clear to everyone how desperate her family are, (licks lips)... That justice is...... some, sort of justice can be done.. Erm...... And... obviously if anybody (pause)... that might have information that hasn't yet been in contact with the police. The... I just beg that they might just do that...


Erm... Even if you may not have even seen or...... know anything that you might have noticed a friend or family member acting suspiciously.  Erm.. er er .. obviously P  Please again report that to the police and erm...

I'm sure if that was your friends lying there that had been found on Christmas day ,you would want others to do the same.

I thought I'd remind myself of this.............  ummmmmmm.............



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_5Kt94oXos