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Offline misty

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« Reply #5175 on: March 29, 2019, 09:41:20 PM »

'DOWNRIGHT LIES' Madeleine McCann conspiracy theorists paying £172 for copies of memoir written by disgraced Portuguese cop Amaral as greedy book sellers cash in

The discredited book Truth of the Lie was written by disgraced former Portuguese detective Gonçalo Amaral, who led the bungled probe into Maddie's 2007 disappearance.


GREEDY book sellers are cashing in on the suffering of Gerry and Kate McCann by charging as much as £172 for a book the couple has branded "downright lies".

The Truth of the Lie was written by former Portuguese detective Gonçalo Amaral, who led the bungled probe into Maddie's 2007 disappearance.



It has been listed for sale online - with asking prices reaching as high as £172
The controversial title was banned and Gerry and Kate were awarded around £375,000 in libel damages in 2015.

Amaral claims three-year-old Maddie died in the family's holiday apartment in Praia da Luz and her parents Gerry and Kate faked her abduction to cover up the tragedy.

There has been a surge of interest in the book after he featured on a new Netflix documentary about Maddie.

Paperback copies translated into English have surfaced online, after it was only previously available in Portuguese, to cope with demand.

DZK Books EU in Buenos Aires is selling the book for £172 on Amazon with free delivery.

Paper Cavalier UK in London has the book priced at £146.99, with £2.80 postage.

One seller, from Blackburn, Lancs, who has copies for £9.99 on eBay, said: "It’s a tough one, isn’t it? I feel so sorry for the child. I dread to think what actually happened to her."

The book became a best-seller in Portugal when it was first published in 2008, selling more than 200,000 copies.

'GROSSLY DEFAMATORY'

It was banned for several years after the McCanns launched a legal action against Amaral in 2009, claiming the book was "unfounded and grossly defamatory".

In 2015, Kate and Gerry were awarded around £357,000 in libel damages by a Portuguese court. A judge also banned further sales of Amaral's book.

However, in April 2016, Amaral won an appeal against the decision, meaning he could sue them for damages potentially in the tens of thousands.

The McCann's lost a subsequent appeal in Portugal's Supreme Court in February 2017.

Top judges also ruled that Maddie's parents had not been ruled innocent with regard to their daughter's disappearance.

The McCanns, of Rothley, Leicestershire, have appealed to the European Court of Human Rights in a bid to silence Amaral.

The spotlight has been thrown back on the case by a new eight-part documentary called The Disappearance of Madeleine McCann on Netflix. The McCanns, both 51, refused to take part.

The Sun on Sunday revealed last week how the McCanns were hit with £29,500 in legal fees for Amaral, after losing their libel case.

By Corey Charlton
28th March 2019, 9:30 pmUpdated: 29th March 2019, 7:42 am

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/8738452/madeleine-mccann-portuguese-cop-amaral-memoir/

It never bothered Amaral or his publishers enough to sue during the last 10 years various English versions have remained online. Good luck to anyone who can get £172 for selling a copy. Hilarious IMO.

Offline misty

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #5176 on: March 29, 2019, 09:59:47 PM »
Thanks Misty. Where are they coming from and going to?

I have a vague recollection of reading only the main creche was open first thing on the Friday morning. The footage was shot in the morning. Presumably the Jellyfish group children who arrived were then taken to the other creche to the west of the Tapas Bar.

Offline Venturi Swirl

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« Reply #5177 on: March 29, 2019, 11:03:40 PM »
If we Brexit on 12th April with no deal that means there are just two weeks left for the Portuguese to issue a EAW for the McCanns.  Why haven’t they done so as yet?
"Surely the fact that their accounts were different reinforces their veracity rather than diminishes it? If they had colluded in protecting ........ surely all of their accounts would be the same?" - Faithlilly

Offline barrier

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« Reply #5178 on: March 30, 2019, 06:06:53 AM »
If we Brexit on 12th April with no deal that means there are just two weeks left for the Portuguese to issue a EAW for the McCanns.  Why haven’t they done so as yet?
Simliatrly If OG haven't come up with a solution it'll soon be over then.All those £millions and years for nowt.
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Offline Eleanor

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« Reply #5179 on: March 30, 2019, 06:26:52 AM »

There are some places from which there is no extradition.

Offline Venturi Swirl

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« Reply #5180 on: March 30, 2019, 07:15:27 AM »
Simliatrly If OG haven't come up with a solution it'll soon be over then.All those £millions and years for nowt.
Not entirely for nowt.  It gave you something to moan about for one.
"Surely the fact that their accounts were different reinforces their veracity rather than diminishes it? If they had colluded in protecting ........ surely all of their accounts would be the same?" - Faithlilly

Offline G-Unit

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« Reply #5181 on: March 30, 2019, 07:48:39 AM »
I have a vague recollection of reading only the main creche was open first thing on the Friday morning. The footage was shot in the morning. Presumably the Jellyfish group children who arrived were then taken to the other creche to the west of the Tapas Bar.

The Tapas Creche was the only one open on 4th. It looks like they took that group out somewhere.   
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Offline Brietta

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« Reply #5182 on: March 30, 2019, 08:53:57 AM »
The Tapas Creche was the only one open on 4th. It looks like they took that group out somewhere.

So what?
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Robittybob1

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« Reply #5183 on: March 30, 2019, 10:54:32 AM »
Thanks Misty. Where are they coming from and going to?
It is not a flat section.  Raised sun lounger area behind pool.
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Offline G-Unit

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« Reply #5184 on: March 30, 2019, 11:22:48 AM »
If we Brexit on 12th April with no deal that means there are just two weeks left for the Portuguese to issue a EAW for the McCanns.  Why haven’t they done so as yet?

If it arises Portugal can issue an international arrest warranr just as Sweden did with Assange. A more interesting question is what would happen to the McCann's application to the ECHR?
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Offline Mr Gray

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« Reply #5185 on: March 30, 2019, 11:39:06 AM »
If it arises Portugal can issue an international arrest warranr just as Sweden did with Assange. A more interesting question is what would happen to the McCann's application to the ECHR?

why would brexit affect it...do you not realise the EcHR is not part of the EU
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Offline G-Unit

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« Reply #5186 on: March 30, 2019, 12:24:42 PM »
why would brexit affect it

In theory it wouldn't.
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Offline Mr Gray

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« Reply #5187 on: March 30, 2019, 12:30:35 PM »
In theory it wouldn't.

you posted,,,,...A more interesting question is what would happen to the McCann's application to the ECHR?...


so how would it be affected...or did you just not think about it

Offline Venturi Swirl

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« Reply #5188 on: May 07, 2019, 11:28:48 PM »
Interesting article with some considerations for this case, if you care to read through...

Politicians may not even know they’re lying
Daniel FinkelsteinMay 7 2019, 5:00pm,
When Gavin Williamson swears he isn’t a leaker, it could be that he has really convinced himself he’s telling the truth


One day, on their way back from dinner in Washington DC, Leslie Meltzer and her husband Tyce Palmaffy saw something dreadful. They were stopped at some traffic lights watching a man slowly cycle towards them, when suddenly another man came out of nowhere and knocked the cyclist over. And then he began stabbing the cyclist as he lay on the ground.

I thought of this story when, last week, it was reported that the former defence secretary Gavin Williamson had sworn on his children’s lives that he was innocent of leaking the proceedings of the National Security Council. It seemed such an odd thing to say. What could possibly explain such vehemence?

Well, the first possibility is that Mr Williamson is just a rogue. He knows full well he did it but is willing to lie about it, even involving his children in his ghastly deceit. People do lie. Look at Jeffrey Archer. Or Jonathan Aitken. And Harvey Weinstein was quite fond of swearing on his children’s lives.

Another possibility, of course, is that Mr Williamson is, as he claims, not guilty at all. His oath may be crass, but you get pretty desperate when accused of something you didn’t do. It’s possible, isn’t it? People have been hanged in the past for crimes they didn’t commit. It has to be said that everyone I’ve talked to who is in the know seems completely confident that in Williamson they’ve got their man, but then again they would be, wouldn’t they?

There is, however, a third possibility. One that will sound almost ridiculous but is actually very plausible. Mr Williamson did it, but he can’t remember that he did it. He thinks he’s innocent. He is sure he didn’t do it. He’d swear on his kids’ lives. But all along, it was actually him.

Let’s go back to Palmaffy and Meltzer. In their book The Invisible Gorilla Christopher Chabris and Daniel Simons tell their story, recording how over the folowing six years the two began to remember the event in very different ways. Meltzer, for instance, remembers calling the US emergency number, 911, from the passenger seat while Palmaffy was driving. Palmaffy says he called 911 and Melzer was driving.

Still, by the time of this confusion years had gone by, so perhaps the differing recall is not that surprising and not at all like the Williamson case. What is more startling is that this divergence began during the 911 call. The moment after the stabbing. One of them thought the assailant was wearing jeans, the other sweatpants. They disagreed about how tall he was, the shirt he was wearing, even whether he might have been an African American or Hispanic.

In other words, we start creating false memories of things almost as soon as they happen. Palmaffy and Meltzer are typical. There is really a vast literature on this. As Julia Shaw says in her recent book The Memory Illusion, “Any event, no matter how important, emotional or traumatic it may seem, can be forgotten, misremembered, or even be entirely fictitious”.

More than that, we have little understanding that we do this. We are immensely confident in our own memory. We’d swear we were right on our kids’ lives.

A fascinating example of this confidence is provided by an ingenious study into memories of 9/11. Thinking quickly after the terrible terrorist attack, two psychologists (Jennifer Talarico and David Rubin) thought to gather a group of students the very next day and ask them what they were up to when they heard the news. They also asked them for another, less momentous, personal memory from the same week.

Over the coming days and months the psychologists returned to check the memories of their subjects. And as time passed the recollections changed, often quite radically. This was true of both 9/11 and of the personal events, and to the same degree. Yet while the subjects were willing to accept that they had forgotten the exact circumstances of the less important event, they were certain they were still right about 9/11. Even though they weren’t.

What that means is that you don’t remember exactly where you were when you heard that John F Kennedy was shot or what you were doing at the precise instance that you heard about 9/11. You just think you do.

The extent of our confidence in recollection was brought home to me recently when the shadow lord chancellor Richard Burgon got himself in trouble. He’d been accused of saying in a speech in 2016 that “Zionism is the enemy of peace”. He went on television to deny repeatedly that he had ever said such a thing. He couldn’t have done, he said, because he had no recall of it, there was no evidence of it and he didn’t think it. So he hadn’t said it. And then a video showed up. He had said it.

The lie appeared blatant. He tried denying it because he thought he’d get away with it and got caught. I got absolutely nowhere trying to explain to people that it was entirely plausible that Mr Burgon had forgotten what he said and was now amazed that he even thought it. It is particularly likely to happen when the new memory, vivid and strong, is more convenient or comfortable than the old one. When I talked about this to one of my colleagues he told me that if he ever wanted to commit fraud he would pick me as the target.

The memory issue arises again and again in politics. Hillary Clinton, for instance, has long been excoriated for her claim that she landed in Bosnia and had to run for cover to avoid sniper fire. Pictures emerged of her being greeted by smiling officials and an eight-year-old girl reading a poem.

Yet the guru of studies of false memories, Elizabeth Loftus, has shown beyond doubt that it is possible to remember very clearly things that did not happen. So, for example, she prompted subjects to recall seeing Bugs Bunny at Disneyland, when he is a Warner Brothers character. Or to remember, in some detail, being lost in a shopping mall when no such thing had happened.

We routinely conduct political discourse and even court cases on the basis that we witness things and remember them in an objective way, as if we were video cameras. But we are not.

For Gavin Williamson to admit to himself that he was responsible for the leak — he helped the journalist on his way, he confirmed what had been a hunch, he initiated the whole thing, whatever — would be psychologically very hard. Much easier to forget you did it. To really, really believe that you didn’t. But it’s not a good idea to swear your innocence on your children’s lives unless you aren’t fond of them.
"Surely the fact that their accounts were different reinforces their veracity rather than diminishes it? If they had colluded in protecting ........ surely all of their accounts would be the same?" - Faithlilly

Offline pathfinder73

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« Reply #5189 on: May 08, 2019, 12:53:34 AM »
"We WERE friends" WS and I were discussing this case on PM last week and both said he did it.

Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.