UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.

[G-Unit]

I think the debate isn't addressing the real issues; sovereignty and democracy. We can vote in new governments during general elections but will they then run the country? Between 50% and 80% of our laws come from the EU, our Parliament just rubber-stamps them basically.

Whether you think we benefit from EU membership or not the price is handing over control to institutions we don't vote in and can't vote out.

It seems there is a very real desire in certain quarters for a United States of Europe, which would eventually reduce member nations to states.

We may have been 'built on immigration' but we nave always maintained our sovereignty and although our democracy isn't perfect we have chosen our parliamentary representatives ourselves using a widening voter base.

Have we been travelling along a route where a European Dictatorship was going to be in charge eventually? 

[mercury]

Gu

50-80 per cent of our laws??
What if theyre all good laws that the uk independently might have brought in

Which ones are the bug bears we cant NOT fight against?

Were any of these laws ones the ukk govt were lapse in the first place not bringing in?

[sadie]

I've noticed recently that you like everyone else to give an opinion so you can criticise it.  Again, my question is, why are you so pro EU?

I will predict now that Boris will be the next PM   

I predict that some news will be coming out about Boris.

An old friend in London who is involved in politics has told me ... but we shall see

[G-Unit]

Gu

50-80 per cent of our laws??
What if theyre all good laws that the uk independently might have brought in

Which ones are the bug bears we cant NOT fight against?

Were any of these laws ones the ukk govt were lapse in the first place not bringing in?

You're still missing the point. It's not whether the laws are good, bad or indifferent, it's about who should make British laws. If our Parliament creates a bad law, like the Poll Tax, people can campaign and change it.

If a similar unworkable law was imposed by the EU in the future it would need more than UK people campaigning to change it.

[Alice Purjorick]

Unless the city population stats are wrong, I make it one new city each and every year, where that city is about the same size as Belfast, Newcastle or Sunderland.

That is not what is required for population growth.  It is what is needed purely for net immigration.

Services have to be designed for the fixed population and some transients. That is the base.
Above that base is the 330,000 net migration which is a 0.5% increase on the base. If a 0.5% increase cannot be accommodated then there is a problem with the defined base. It isn't really that difficult to understand.

[Alice Purjorick]

You're still missing the point. It's not whether the laws are good, bad or indifferent, it's about who should make British laws. If our Parliament creates a bad law, like the Poll Tax, people can campaign and change it.

If a similar unworkable law was imposed by the EU in the future it would need more than UK people campaigning to change it.

The EU issue directives they do make laws. Member states all draft their own laws to embody the principle of the directive.
It is amazing the difference in those laws. We always go for "polished naval brass and mahogany" when "plastic and chrome plate" are adequate. Then we blame it on the EU.

[Alfie]

I think the debate isn't addressing the real issues; sovereignty and democracy. We can vote in new governments during general elections but will they then run the country? Between 50% and 80% of our laws come from the EU, our Parliament just rubber-stamps them basically.

Whether you think we benefit from EU membership or not the price is handing over control to institutions we don't vote in and can't vote out.

It seems there is a very real desire in certain quarters for a United States of Europe, which would eventually reduce member nations to states.

We may have been 'built on immigration' but we nave always maintained our sovereignty and although our democracy isn't perfect we have chosen our parliamentary representatives ourselves using a widening voter base.

Have we been travelling along a route where a European Dictatorship was going to be in charge eventually?

So why did you not vote to leave?

[sadie]

I remember some years ago meeting a man who had arrived in the Uk about 2 years previously
Both his daughters had passed the 11 plus and won places at a very good grammar school
Wonderful
Was that fair to the girls whose parents had lived in the Uk for years whose places they took

Yes, totally, so long as they got there thru their own intellect without any pushing or other means.

Grammar schools are intended for the most intelligent children.

[mercury]

You're still missing the point. It's not whether the laws are good, bad or indifferent, it's about who should make British laws. If our Parliament creates a bad law, like the Poll Tax, people can campaign and change it.

If a similar unworkable law was imposed by the EU in the future it would need more than UK people campaigning to change it.

Ah ok I see your point
But is a potential catastrophe worth it? Rather than other means of this pathetic govt usng to change thngs

[ShiningInLuz]

Services have to be designed for the fixed population and some transients. That is the base.
Above that base is the 330,000 net migration which is a 0.5% increase on the base. If a 0.5% increase cannot be accommodated then there is a problem with the defined base. It isn't really that difficult to understand.

They are not transients.  If they were all transient, the net immigration would be zero.

These are people who need houses, jobs, schools, medical facilities, waste disposal, space on the roads, ad infinitum.

All the UK needs for the net immigration flow is one major city each and every year.  Even if that city can be built every year, where does the land come from?

[G-Unit]

The EU issue directives they do make laws. Member states all draft their own laws to embody the principle of the directive.
It is amazing the difference in those laws. We always go for "polished naval brass and mahogany" when "plastic and chrome plate" are adequate. Then we blame it on the EU.

There are different things which come from the EU which affect us. Directives are one;

Article 288
To exercise the Union's competences, the institutions shall adopt regulations, directives, decisions, recommendations and opinions.
A regulation shall have general application. It shall be binding in its entirety and directly applicable in all Member States.
A directive shall be binding, as to the result to be achieved, upon each Member State to which it is addressed, but shall leave to the national authorities the choice of form and methods.
A decision shall be binding in its entirety upon those to whom it is addressed.
Recommendations and opinions shall have no binding force.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regulation_(European_Union)

[mercury]

Well goodnight fellow psters
Camerons absolved hmself of responsiblity and run away and chucked it on the new PM

chicken coward Cameron

Shame on him forever more for unleashing a shitstorm

[John]

Well goodnight fellow psters
Camerons absolved hmself of responsiblity and run away and chucked it on the new PM

chicken coward Cameron

Shame on him forever more for unleashing a shitstorm

Just what I have been saying all along mercury.   Cameron said he would see it through regardless of the outcome and it was on that basis that many of us voted to leave the EU.  What happens?  The minute he realises the majority of the voting British public have voted to leave the EU he chucks the dummy out of the pram and won't play any more.   Jesus Christ did I badly underestimate the man.

Cameron should go now and let someone with political skill take over temporarily until a new leader can be installed.  As it stands, Cameron is weak, he looks weak and that is not good for any negotiations on exit. Its a bit like asking the turkeys to negotiate with the butcher. 

[Myster]

So disappointed we won't get to sing the EU anthem any more  ...

[G-Unit]

It seems the Superstate idea is still around. Is that really what the remain voters want?

EUROPEAN political chiefs are to take advantage of Brexit by unveiling their long-held plan to morph the continent’s countries into one GIANT SUPERSTATE, it has emerged yesterday.

The foreign ministers of France and Germany are due to reveal a blueprint to effectively do away with individual member states in what is being described as an “ultimatum”.

Under the radical proposals EU countries will lose the right to have their own army, criminal law, taxation system or central bank, with all those powers being transferred to Brussels.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/683739/EU-referendum-German-French-European-superstate-Brexit