UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.

[John]

On Sky News, Michael Gove is standing for the Conservative Party leadership., saying that Boris


'CANNOT PROVIDE LEADERSHIP OR BUILD THE TEAM FOR THE TASK AHEAD'

 

There is nothing like the Tory party when it comes to back-stabbing each other.


In an interview before the referendum, I recall Gove stating he had no interest in becoming the Tory Party leader.

It seems that e-mail from Gove's wife was the catalyst.  Johnson is to speak publicly very shortly, it will be interesting to hear his response to the backstabbers. 

[Alice Purjorick]

Possibly.



Those who voted leave on the grounds of the contribution to the EU or the wish to reduce immigration were lied to by Gove, Johnson, Farage and the rest of the crew. 

If we maintain the result of the referendum, and power ahead with leaving membership of the EU, We have two very stark choices.


Norway option, and do ok, but accept free movement of people.

Leave the single market.  And face financial catastrophe. 

___________

On a more positive level, maybe we can bargain concessions with the EU. hold a second referendum or a GE with a clear manadate and maintain membership.

But we must do something about infrastructure.

A lot of what we have done is the result of specific EU grants. OK we paid in but EU allowed the money back on conditions. Now "we are in charge" will that money be spent to the benefit appropriate areas as before or pissed up against the wall on white elephants ? to use a interesting mix of phrases 

[stephen25000]

I agree. Mostly people rub along being allowed to 'choose' at a General Election although the choice is extremely limited. This referendum was direct democracy, however, with a clear result.

People are horrified at the reaction of the politicians and the media. Denigrating voters because the result didn't suit them. Cameron refusing to implement the result. Labour MP's defying the democratic will of their own party.

The vote probably wasn't seen as a blow for democracy, but the result has highlighted how little store politicians and the media value it. They have made it the issue now.

It seems Angela Eagle is said the be challenging Jeremy Corbyn's leadership despite her constituency telling her they support him. Which bit of 'representation' do these arrogant MP's not understand?
http://www.wirralglobe.co.uk/news/14585110.Angela_Eagle_under_pressure_from_Wallasey_Labour_party_over_Corbyn_vote/

I am afraid to say G-Unit, that the Labour M.P.'s are quite entitled to have held the vote of confidence in their 'leader'.

Corbyn has surrounded himself with toadies.

He is a decent man, but he is deluding himself, if he really thinks he can bring a Labour victory.

As to backing within the party, we shall see in the election for the nest leader.

[Brietta]

In the meantime, the posturing and mischief making will continue, taking the eye off the ball and scrutiny of the job politicians were elected to do ... and that is running the country effectively.
The potholes wrecking our wheels are nothing at all to do with Europe.

One of the opening salvos was fired in Westminster in the SNP war of attrition with the Pete Wishart 'attempt' quoting Erskine May to be recognised as the official opposition.

SNP's bid to replace Labour as Commons opposition rejected
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-36660386

You ain't seen nothin' yet, they are very good at this, and with the lure of another stab at a separation referendum very much on the cards (I believe Quebec are agitating for another) there is much more capital to be made from such posturing.
Nicola Sturgeon was not 'wasting her time' being rebuffed in Europe.  She was there as a cog in a well oiled machine.

The country could well do without all of this.  I am of the same opinion as Alfie.  A democratic vote was taken unfortunately without the prior safeguard of a percentage rule on the outcome and we are bound by the will of the majority.

Instead of getting bogged down as we seem to be at present, our politicians need to look to the future and make this divisive thing work as best as it can.  First of all by getting the best exit deal possible.  The SNP didn't exactly hit the ground running post Brexit, even their strategists in their wildest dreams couldn't believe their luck, but they are running with a head of steam now and leaving everyone else wandering around at the starting post scratching their heads.

Our unionist and internationalist MPs are letting us down by their lack of control of the situation.

[Alfie]

Tory Leadership bid could tear Party apart!

Theresa May and Michael Gove have both entered bids to become leader of the Conservative Party and thereafter become Prime Minister by default.

Despite partnering Johnson in the EU referendum, Gove is now saying that Johnson does not have the leadership qualities required to lead the Conservative Party.  For her part Theresa May today mocked Johnson saying that his negotiating skills only extend to buying used water cannons from the Germans.  She also said that she would not call a General Election until 2020 and would not invoke EU Article 50 until the end of the year.

Unbe-freakin-lievable.  Except it's not   Bunch of snakes the lot of them.

[Alice Purjorick]

In the meantime, the posturing and mischief making will continue, taking the eye off the ball and scrutiny of the job politicians were elected to do ... and that is running the country effectively.
The potholes wrecking our wheels are nothing at all to do with Europe.

One of the opening salvos was fired in Westminster in the SNP war of attrition with the Pete Wishart 'attempt' quoting Erskine May to be recognised as the official opposition.

SNP's bid to replace Labour as Commons opposition rejected
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-36660386

You ain't seen nothin' yet, they are very good at this, and with the lure of another stab at a separation referendum very much on the cards (I believe Quebec are agitating for another) there is much more capital to be made from such posturing.
Nicola Sturgeon was not 'wasting her time' being rebuffed in Europe.  She was there as a cog in a well oiled machine.

The country could well do without all of this.  I am of the same opinion as Alfie.  A democratic vote was taken unfortunately without the prior safeguard of a percentage rule on the outcome and we are bound by the will of the majority.

Instead of getting bogged down as we seem to be at present, our politicians need to look to the future and make this divisive thing work as best as it can.  First of all by getting the best exit deal possible.  The SNP didn't exactly hit the ground running post Brexit, even their strategists in their wildest dreams couldn't believe their luck, but they are running with a head of steam now and leaving everyone else wandering around at the starting post scratching their heads.

Our unionist and internationalist MPs are letting us down by their lack of control of the situation.

But not in a referendum which has no legal standing. Spin out invoking Article 50 long enough and one might have an opportunity to play the "circumstances have changed" card and maintain the status quo. All the huffing and puffing going in Europe at present is from "the founding fathers", don't forget there are another 22 nations involved all with a vote.

I agree with being bogged down. Over 600 MP's and not a leader among them. Well with two possible exceptions that is.............

[stephen25000]

In the meantime, the posturing and mischief making will continue, taking the eye off the ball and scrutiny of the job politicians were elected to do ... and that is running the country effectively.
The potholes wrecking our wheels are nothing at all to do with Europe.

One of the opening salvos was fired in Westminster in the SNP war of attrition with the Pete Wishart 'attempt' quoting Erskine May to be recognised as the official opposition.

SNP's bid to replace Labour as Commons opposition rejected
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-36660386

You ain't seen nothin' yet, they are very good at this, and with the lure of another stab at a separation referendum very much on the cards (I believe Quebec are agitating for another) there is much more capital to be made from such posturing.
Nicola Sturgeon was not 'wasting her time' being rebuffed in Europe.  She was there as a cog in a well oiled machine.

The country could well do without all of this.  I am of the same opinion as Alfie.  A democratic vote was taken unfortunately without the prior safeguard of a percentage rule on the outcome and we are bound by the will of the majority.

Instead of getting bogged down as we seem to be at present, our politicians need to look to the future and make this divisive thing work as best as it can.  First of all by getting the best exit deal possible.  The SNP didn't exactly hit the ground running post Brexit, even their strategists in their wildest dreams couldn't believe their luck, but they are running with a head of steam now and leaving everyone else wandering around at the starting post scratching their heads.

Our unionist and internationalist MPs are letting us down by their lack of control of the situation.

Basically Brietta, the situation is a mess, an with the major uncertainty in the main two political parties as regards leadership, there will be no short term fix.

Also, when the new leaders are elected, the best way forward in my view would be a GE, merely to clear the way for what ever happens next.

[stephen25000]

But not in a referendum which has no legal standing. Spin out invoking Article 50 long enough and one might have an opportunity to play the "circumstances have changed" card and maintain the status quo. All the huffing and puffing going in Europe at present is from "the founding fathers", don't forget there are another 22 nations involved all with a vote.

I agree with being bogged down. Over 600 MP's and not a leader among them. Well with two possible exceptions that is.............

Don't the other EU states have to ratify the U.K.'s exit ?

[Brietta]

Basically Brietta, the situation is a mess, an with the major uncertainty in the main two political parties as regards leadership, there will be no short term fix.

Also, when the new leaders are elected, the best way forward in my view would be a GE, merely to clear the way for what ever happens next.

Agreed, Stephen.

In my opinion it is also clear that Jeremy Corbyn is not the man to lead Labour into that GE.

[Alice Purjorick]

Tory Leadership bid could tear Party apart!

Theresa May and Michael Gove have both entered bids to become leader of the Conservative Party and thereafter become Prime Minister by default.

Despite partnering Johnson in the EU referendum, Gove is now saying that Johnson does not have the leadership qualities required to lead the Conservative Party.  For her part Theresa May today mocked Johnson saying that his negotiating skills only extend to buying used water cannons from the Germans.  She also said that she would not call a General Election until 2020 and would not invoke EU Article 50 until the end of the year.

Smooth move.

[Alice Purjorick]

 Boris "The Peoples Princess Prime Minister"

[Alfie]

Only if he dies in a tragic car accident in a tunnel under the Seine (keeps fingers crossed)
#anyonebutboris

[stephen25000]

Well, Boris has ruled himself out of the leadership election.

 %£5&% %£5&% %£5&%

[John]

Well, Boris has ruled himself out of the leadership election.

 %£5&% %£5&% %£5&%

Mortally wounded by backstabbers Gove and May.

[Jean-Pierre]

Mortally wounded by backstabbers Gove and May.

Mortally wounded by being a completed arse.

His role in the brexit debacle has been an utter disgrace.