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« Reply #1035 on: July 03, 2016, 07:15:13 PM »
Angela Merkel 'to oust Jean-Claude Juncker' as Europe splits deepen over Brexit response


Angela Merkel could move to oust Europe’s federalist chief Jean-Claude Juncker 'within the next year', a Germany government minister has said.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07/03/angela-merkel-to-oust-jean-claude-juncker-as-europe-splits-deepe/
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Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
« Reply #1036 on: July 03, 2016, 07:20:29 PM »
good point.sounds like double standards or blatant racism &%+((£

They were trying to cut immigration numbers but the EU immigrants couldn't be restricted so they picked on everyone else.

As it stands they have to take anyone from the EU; desirable or undesirable. So they made it difficult for British citizens to bring their foreign spouses in.

They say cultural diversity is valued but placed obstacles in the way of those from the Indian sub continent who have traditionally chosen spouses from 'back home'.
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« Reply #1037 on: July 03, 2016, 07:32:56 PM »
They were trying to cut immigration numbers but the EU immigrants couldn't be restricted so they picked on everyone else.

As it stands they have to take anyone from the EU; desirable or undesirable. So they made it difficult for British citizens to bring their foreign spouses in.

They say cultural diversity is valued but placed obstacles in the way of those from the Indian sub continent who have traditionally chosen spouses from 'back home'.
totally agree,well said . 8((()*/

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Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
« Reply #1038 on: July 03, 2016, 07:38:20 PM »
' Theresa May: Cutting EU migration will have to wait '

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07/02/theresa-may-cutting-eu-migration-will-have-to-wait/

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« Reply #1039 on: July 03, 2016, 07:42:38 PM »
eu nationals are white like us but they have different languages and traditions than us .fact &%+((£

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Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
« Reply #1040 on: July 03, 2016, 07:48:09 PM »
eu nationals are white like us but they have different languages and traditions than us .fact &%+((£

...and where do you think the ancestors of this country partly came from, Alpha Centauri perhaps ? @)(++(* @)(++(*

Oh by the way, have you studied the origins of European languages ?
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Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
« Reply #1041 on: July 03, 2016, 07:58:23 PM »
Angela Merkel 'to oust Jean-Claude Juncker' as Europe splits deepen over Brexit response


Angela Merkel could move to oust Europe’s federalist chief Jean-Claude Juncker 'within the next year', a Germany government minister has said.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07/03/angela-merkel-to-oust-jean-claude-juncker-as-europe-splits-deepe/

Who put Merkel in charge then? Juncker was elected by a majority of the European Parliament, not by Germany. Is another democratic process to be overturned? It seems the EU has the same disregard for democracy as our Labour MP's have.
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Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
« Reply #1042 on: July 03, 2016, 08:22:46 PM »
'Angela Merkel could move to oust Europe’s federalist chief Jean-Claude Juncker 'within the next year', a Germany government minister has said, in a sign of deepening European divisions over how to respond to Britain’s Brexit vote.

The German chancellor’s frustration with the European Commission chief came as Europe split over whether to use the Brexit negotiations as a trigger to deepen European integration or take a more pragmatic approach to Britain as it heads for the exit door.'

'Could' seems the operative word.

Totally meaningless.

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« Reply #1043 on: July 03, 2016, 09:13:17 PM »
...and where do you think the ancestors of this country partly came from, Alpha Centauri perhaps ? @)(++(* @)(++(*

Oh by the way, have you studied the origins of European languages ?

I hate to hark back to the past but the UK was the only country to escape occupation in WW2. We stood firm against naked aggression. We made our own minds up and did what we thought was right. Clearly our paths had diverged, we had forged a different nation with a different culture and different goals.
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« Reply #1044 on: July 03, 2016, 09:34:51 PM »
I hate to hark back to the past but the UK was the only country to escape occupation in WW2. We stood firm against naked aggression. We made our own minds up and did what we thought was right. Clearly our paths had diverged, we had forged a different nation with a different culture and different goals.

We escaped occupation, because we had help from people all over the world joining this country's armed services.

Also, Hitler, fortunately for us was an incompetent strategist in military operations, and forced his will on others, who would not have made the mistakes he made.

As to people from abroad, e.g in Europe and elsewhere, I have and continue to meet them through my work,  and friendships resulting from that.

What I see through unblinkered eyes is people who have a lot in common with us and vice versa.

Unfortunately, some people can't remove those blinkers.

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« Reply #1045 on: July 03, 2016, 09:53:28 PM »
We escaped occupation, because we had help from people all over the world joining this country's armed services.

Also, Hitler, fortunately for us was an incompetent strategist in military operations, and forced his will on others, who would not have made the mistakes he made.

As to people from abroad, e.g in Europe and elsewhere, I have and continue to meet them through my work,  and friendships resulting from that.

What I see through unblinkered eyes is people who have a lot in common with us and vice versa.

Unfortunately, some people can't remove those blinkers.

Our Commonwealth countries in particular helped, as did European citizens both as resistance fighters and by coming here. The reason they were able to gather with us was that we are not physically joined to Europe, we had a natural barrier.

Of course ordinary people have a lot in common with us, people are people worldwide. As the world has got smaller our rulers have been unable to stop us from understanding that. Demonising others when warmongering would be unlikely to work in the future.

It is those who value and seek power who are the dangerous ones. They will lie, cheat, back-stab and plot to get that power. The question is whether they do it out of self-interest or out of concern for us, the people? That's why we need control over them, just in case they don't have our best interests at heart.

 
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« Reply #1046 on: July 03, 2016, 09:54:48 PM »
I agree, most people have heard the arguments and can see the results for themselves every day of unchecked immigration.  Don't go complaining next time a foreigner takes your job or beats you in a job interview.

If he beat me then I would take it that he was a better candidate for the job ... with two reservations

1)  Some races have a reputation of lying.  Maybe then I would be at a disadvantage.  I must acknowledge that a good many ethnic Brits are also very capable of lying and twisting facts to their advantage.

2)  If the interviewer / employer was of the same race as the person that beat me.  Then I would wonder.

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« Reply #1047 on: July 03, 2016, 10:53:04 PM »
It's clear that employers have favoured their own [perceived] races and sexes when appointing people to fill jobs, that's why we have anti-discrimination laws.

As we are all members of the human race lying must be a cultural trait. I would love to know who these reputed liars are? According to their own standards are they 'lying' or is it seen as something else in their culture?

I watched a TV programme a while back about people in danger of eviction asking their local Council for help. There was a Portuguese lady who wanted a council property because she was due to be evicted from a privately rented property. She hadn't paid her rent, which made her 'intentionally homeless'.

In such cases case the council doesn't have any obligation to help. She was very upset and accused the two council workers of racism. She said they just help 'their own kind'. It was quite surreal really.

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Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
« Reply #1048 on: July 04, 2016, 09:51:22 AM »
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36700350

'Brexit: Legal steps seek to ensure Commons vote on Article 50'

A law firm is taking action to ensure the formal process for the UK leaving the EU is not started without an act of Parliament.

Mishcon de Reya, lawyers acting for a group of business people and academics, said it would be unlawful for a prime minister to trigger Article 50 without a full debate and vote in Parliament.

It comes after the UK voted to leave the EU in the 23 June referendum.

The government said Parliament had "a role" to find "the best way forward".

Following the referendum, David Cameron announced he would stand down as prime minister by October and would leave his replacement to trigger Article 50 of the Lisbon Treaty.

Once the legal process is triggered there is a two-year time limit to negotiate an exit deal from the EU.
Brexit: What happens now?

Does the UK have to trigger Article 50?

Article 50 - the simplest explanation you'll find

Mishcon de Reya's clients argue that under the UK constitution the decision to trigger Article 50 rests with Parliament.

The firm has been in correspondence with government officials to seek assurances over the process.
The result of the referendum is not in doubt, but we need a process that follows UK law to enact it
Kasra Nouroozi, Mishcon de Reya

The BBC's legal correspondent Clive Coleman said Mishcon de Reya believed that any prime minister using executive powers to start the process would be acting unlawfully because they would be overriding the 1972 European Communities Act that enshrines UK membership of the EU.

The law firm says that constitutionally only legislation can override legislation and an act of Parliament is required to give the prime minister legal authority.

The passage of such an act could in theory provide the majority of MPs who favoured Remain the chance to block the UK leaving, our correspondent said, but he added that this seemed "constitutionally inconceivable"
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'Legal certainty'
Kasra Nouroozi, a Mishcon de Reya partner, said: "We must ensure that the government follows the correct process to have legal certainty and protect the UK Constitution and the sovereignty of Parliament in these unprecedented circumstances.

"The result of the referendum is not in doubt, but we need a process that follows UK law to enact it.
"The outcome of the referendum itself is not legally binding and for the current or future prime minister to invoke Article 50 without the approval of Parliament is unlawful.

"We must make sure this is done properly for the benefit of all UK citizens. Article 50 simply cannot be invoked without a full debate and vote in Parliament."

Analysis


European Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker briefs the media after Britain voted to leave the bloc, in Brussels, Belgium, June 24, 2016Image copyrightREUTERS

European Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker has said the UK does not have "months to meditate" on activating Article 50

By Clive Coleman, BBC legal correspondent

It has come as a shock to many that the referendum result itself is not legally binding in UK law and it alone does not trigger the UK's departure from the EU.

That has to be done under the withdrawal process laid down in Article 50 of the Lisbon Treaty.

It's argued that a prime minister acting alone under prerogative powers lacks the constitutional authority to trigger Article 50 and an act of Parliament would need to be passed giving him or her that authority.

The passage of that act would of course provide the opportunity for MPs (a majority of whom favour Remain) to express their views on Brexit and in theory vote according to their consciences.

However, it seems constitutionally inconceivable that Parliament would fly in the face of the Leave vote secured through a national referendum and refuse to pass an act that gave the prime minister authority to begin the "divorce" process.

In other words, the referendum has changed nothing legally but everything politically.

Can the law stop Brexit?

European leaders have said the UK should not delay leaving the EU, with European Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker saying the UK does not have "months to meditate" on activating Article 50,
The two-year negotiation period under Article 50 can be extended only with the unanimous agreement of the remaining 27 member states.

If there is no extension, the UK ceases to be a member of the EU on the conclusion of an agreement within the two years, but in any event two years after notice has been given.

A Cabinet Office spokesman said: "As the prime minister said in the Commons, we have now got to look at all the detailed arrangements, and Parliament will clearly have a role in making sure that we find the best way forward.
"It will be important to ensure in moving ahead that the interests of all parts of the United Kingdom are protected and advanced."

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Re: UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.
« Reply #1049 on: July 04, 2016, 11:42:51 AM »
Heard her speech, rampant with cliches.

https://twitter.com/search?q=Andrea+leadsom&ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Esearch

Tory leadership contender and Brexit campaigner Andrea Leadsom had previously opposed leaving the EU as it would be a "disaster", it has emerged.

http://news.sky.com/story/1720929/pro-brexit-leadsom-changed-her-mind-over-eu
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