UK votes for #BrExit from the EU. 52% Leave - 48% Stay.

[Carana]

Yeah, we missed the lesson of 1776, we're not all as old as you Carana.

 

[Wonderfulspam]

I see George Osbourne has flown to America to tell them how great Brexit is, having spent months telling us how we'll all die because of it.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/live/2016/jul/11/george-osborne-us-britain-brexit-stock-markets-sterling-business-live

[Wonderfulspam]

Whenever I hear 'Arab Spring' I always think of The Turnip Prize.

[Alfie]

I'm a keen advocate of democracy. I have made a case for leaving in an attempt to provoke someone into making a case for staying. It didn't work, though, I still haven't seen any factual case for remaining, just vague references to economics.

I don't think anyone has reason to be grateful to him. He agreed to hold a referendum out of fear of Farage. When the people voted against his recommendations he ran away instead of doing his duty.

So you voted Remain and are now playing Devil's Advocate after the event, is that right?

[G-Unit]

Don't you find economics to be a major consideration?

So tell me how we gain economically from EU membership? I would particularly like to know who gains what and how. I would like to know how much of our 'export' figure actually consists of exports outside of the EU through European ports. I would like to know how much of the figure is due to inter-company transactions.

[G-Unit]

So you voted Remain and are now playing Devil's Advocate after the event, is that right?

You can ask questions Alfie, but sometimes you won't be given an answer. This is one of those times.

[stephen25000]

So tell me how we gain economically from EU membership? I would particularly like to know who gains what and how. I would like to know how much of our 'export' figure actually consists of exports outside of the EU through European ports. I would like to know how much of the figure is due to inter-company transactions.

Surely you can do that yourself, and research it yourself online.

You don't require a degree in Economics to do that.

Bearing in mind up to recently we had the 5 th largest economy in the world, within the EU.

I did hear Osbourne claim some time ago we could be  the largest Economy in the world by 2030. I presume he said that on April the 1 st. His degree I believe was in History.

[G-Unit]

Surely you can do that yourself, and research it yourself online.

You don't require a degree in Economics to do that.

Bearing in mind up to recently we had the 5 th largest economy in the world, within the EU.

I did hear Osbourne claim some time ago we could be  the largest Economy in the world by 2030. I presume he said that on April the 1 st. His degree I believe was in History.

Neither do those who insist we're better off in the EU, but I haven't seen anything which supports that position.

[Alfie]

You can ask questions Alfie, but sometimes you won't be given an answer. This is one of those times.

Bizarre.  What are you afraid of?

[stephen25000]

Neither do those who insist we're better off in the EU, but I haven't seen anything which supports that position.

??

[G-Unit]

Bizarre.  What are you afraid of?

What [another] silly question/accusation.

We have secret ballots so voters have privacy. If I choose not to share my voting habits that's my democratic right and not bizarre at all. I can't think of any reason why I should be afraid, sorry.

[Carana]

So tell me how we gain economically from EU membership? I would particularly like to know who gains what and how. I would like to know how much of our 'export' figure actually consists of exports outside of the EU through European ports. I would like to know how much of the figure is due to inter-company transactions.

Valid questions, but that's part of the issue, though, isn't it?

How many people had thoroughly investigated the issues and potential consequences prior to voting in one direction or the other?

[Alfie]

What [another] silly question/accusation.

We have secret ballots so voters have privacy. If I choose not to share my voting habits that's my democratic right and not bizarre at all. I can't think of any reason why I should be afraid, sorry.

You are anonymous on this forum, so your privacy is not compromised by revealing which way you voted. You've already told us you didn't vote leave, so you either voted remain or didn't vote at all.  If you didn't vote at all then that means you chose not to take part in the democratic process, which seeing as how you're a big fan of democracy seems unlikely.  That leads me to conclude that either you voted to remain or you weren't telling the truth earlier.  I guess we shall never know! 

[ShiningInLuz]

Valid questions, but that's part of the issue, though, isn't it?

How many people had thoroughly investigated the issues and potential consequences prior to voting in one direction or the other?

I think an issue with the campaigns was that the voting public was being fed assertions, by both sides, without anything solid to back those assertions up.

It reminded me very much of WMD and why it was supposedly essential to go to war in Iraq.

[G-Unit]

I think an issue with the campaigns was that the voting public was being fed assertions, by both sides, without anything solid to back those assertions up.

It reminded me very much of WMD and why it was supposedly essential to go to war in Iraq.

It's how the world works now. Soundbites, spin, good tailoring and grooming have replaced solid debate undertaken by knowledgeable people based on facts.