McCanns appeal to the European Court of Human Rights

[G-Unit]

when I first joined the forum I saw taht anne as a memeber here had translated the archiving report as "prove their innocence"....i pointed out to her that the report used the word comprovar rather than provar....she then agreed that the correct translation was demonstrate innocence....rather than prove innocence.
so i have corrected anne once....i think the same thing has happened with the SC judgeemnt....with the word proof being used in trnsaltion instead of evidence

Why was Anne translating the archiving report, I winder, when it's already been done in the files. Please note this is the McCanns request for annulment, not the SC judgement.

If you 'think' it 'might' be wrong, that's up to you. If you want to convince others, present some evidence, 

[Mr Gray]

Why was Anne translating the archiving report, I winder, when it's already been done in the files. Please note this is the McCanns request for annulment, not the SC judgement.

If you 'think' it 'might' be wrong, that's up to you. If you want to convince others, present some evidence,

I dont see the wird definitive at the bottom of page 5....has Anne paraphrasef

[G-Unit]

I dont see the wird definitive at the bottom of page 5....has Anne paraphrasef

Sorry, I don't follow. Is that evidence of something? Page 5 of what?

[Mr Gray]

Sorry, I don't follow. Is that evidence of something? Page 5 of what?

On the link you posted with your quote.. I'll repost it

[Mr Gray]

Where the lawyers are still arguing that the archiving dispatch is 'verified proof of innocence'?

Just as (this STJ's Section) could not assert that it is not acceptable to assimilate the aforementioned filing order to a verified proof of innocence.
http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/Annulment_request.htm

From Anne's translation the verified proof of innocence is from page 5 but I don't see ...the verified...in  the Portuguese... Is Anne paraphrasing

I've looked again... Anne does seem to be paraphrasing... So it is far from an accurate translation

[G-Unit]

From Anne's translation the verified proof of innocence is from page 5 but I don't see ...the verified...in  the Portuguese... Is Anne paraohrasing

Are you expecting literal translations? I think you would find a literal translation would make no sense in English. All translators paraphrase in order to convey the meaning of a text.
http://translatorthoughts.com/2015/06/translation-techniques-paraphrasing/

The important point is that the McCann's lawyers are arguing that the archiving dispatch can be seen as proof of their innocence.

arquivamento equiparavel a comprovação de inocentacao
archiving comparable to proof of innocence

[Mr Gray]

Are you expecting literal translations? I think you would find a literal translation would make no sense in English. All translators paraphrase in order to convey the meaning of a text.
http://translatorthoughts.com/2015/06/translation-techniques-paraphrasing/

The important point is that the McCann's lawyers are arguing that the archiving dispatch can be seen as proof of their innocence.

arquivamento equiparavel a comprovação de inocentacao
archiving comparable to proof of innocence

comparable to is not the same as definitive... So we cannot rely in the translations as being accurate... You asked for proof and I have supplied it....
From what I have seen the McCann's claim the presumption  of innocence...and the archiving report as evidence of innocence..... Which it is

[John]

From the report you quote...


 under article 277-2 of the CPP.

As far as the appellants are aware of, the archiving at stake was carried out, in the course of the investigation, because sufficient proof had been gathered that the then arguidos did not commit any facts of a criminal relevance and in any way whatsoever, this conclusion substantiating an archiving for factual reasons,


It is clear the person who translated this is continually using the word proof....instead of evidence....the archiving report is evidence of innocence...but not proof.

I would concur with that davel. When we carried the daily trial transcripts I found it necessary to improve some of the translations routinely. I agree that in this particular case however, the word should have been evidence and not proof.

[slartibartfast]

I would concur with that davel. When we carried the daily trial transcripts I found it necessary to improve some of the translations routinely. I agree that in this particular case however, the word should have been evidence and not proof.

The big problem is that some people think translation is just word for word substitution .

[faithlilly]

I would concur with that davel. When we carried the daily trial transcripts I found it necessary to improve some of the translations routinely. I agree that in this particular case however, the word should have been evidence and not proof.

You wouldn’t have had the translations to correct if Anne hadn’t been so generous with her time John. Your post comes across as rather ungrateful.

[Mr Gray]

The big problem is that some people think translation is just word for word substitution .

I certainly don't think that... But again the word comprovar has been used not provar.... As in the archiving despatch.
The problems arise when translators put in the own words and change the meaning....I don't see that... Verified proof of innocence... Is anywhere near a correct translation

[John]

The big problem is that some people think translation is just word for word substitution .

I totally agree, the entire sentence has to be translated in order to give proper meaning to any text.  Unfortunately, translating text can never be an exact science as languages differ so much.

[John]

You wouldn’t have had the translations to correct if Anne hadn’t been so generous with her time John. Your post comes across as rather ungrateful.

Not at all. I was extremely grateful to Anne for the time she spent on the trial. She attended court daily and recorded everything which was said.  She took photographs which even the press and media didn't get and all of this she did freely and at her own expense.  What you do not realise however is the amount of work that was done behind the scenes by both Anne and myself in getting the translations into a form suitable for publication.  Some reports were reviewed several times by both of us in order to get as close as possible to the original meaning.

Unfortunately, the translations produced after the first instance trial were not overseen by me and so I cannot comment on their validity.  I'm sure anyone reading them will notice the difference in the English language used since a Portuguese translator can never produce a perfect English version and vice versa.

[faithlilly]

Not at all. I was extremely grateful to Anne for the time she spent on the trial. She attended court daily and recorded everything which was said.  She took photographs which even the press and media didn't get and all of this she did freely and at her own expense.  What you do not realise however is the amount of work that was done behind the scenes by both Anne and myself in getting the translations into a form suitable for publication.  Some reports were reviewed several times by both of us in order to get as close as possible to the original meaning.

Unfortunately, the translations produced after the first instance trial were not overseen by me and so I cannot comment on their validity.  I'm sure anyone reading them will notice the difference in the English language used since a Portuguese translator can never produce a perfect English version and vice versa.

Thank you for clarifying how much good work Anne actually did.

[John]

Thank you for clarifying how much good work Anne actually did.

I should add that interpreting and translating ordinary text is one thing but legalese is a nightmare at the best of times and translating Portuguese legalese into English legalese is the ultimate nightmare but Anne did a remarkable job.