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Redblossom

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Re: Does Cipriano's convictions let Amaral and the PJ off the hook?
« Reply #135 on: October 21, 2013, 08:46:05 PM »
Amaral was convicted and if you look on the Amnesty site for 2012 it will tell you the names of the others..no one has been cleared

Not so fast, you implied those guilty of torture were punished.....

and yes those accused by cipriano and her mad lawyer of torture were all cleared

In anycase, I must take a break from your warped sense of language use, I have patience of a saint but youre too much, your twisting shifting and turning,  enough for one day....


Enjoy though
« Last Edit: October 21, 2013, 08:48:16 PM by Redblossom »

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Does Cipriano's convictions let Amaral and the PJ off the hook?
« Reply #136 on: October 21, 2013, 08:49:25 PM »
The three PJ officers were exonerated.

Three officers were cleared of torture but Mr Amaral was found guilty of falsifying documents and given an 18-month suspended sentence.

http://news.sky.com/story/694940/madeleine-cop-gets-suspended-sentence

sorry Im watching tv at the same time..the court confirmed torture had taken place but was not able to identify those responsible therefore no one was found guilty
« Last Edit: October 21, 2013, 08:54:34 PM by John »

Offline John

Re: Does Cipriano's convictions let Amaral and the PJ off the hook?
« Reply #137 on: October 21, 2013, 08:59:47 PM »
The Court of Faro today condemned Leonor Cipriano to seven months in prison for having made false statements in the case in which five PJ inspectors accused of crimes of aggression and torture.
This penalty is in addition to the 16 years that the defendant complies with the murder of her daughter Joana - missing in the village of Figueira, Portimão, on 12 September 2004 - and which has served about half.

According to the court, it was proven that Leonor Cipriano lied about how officers beat her and submitted in court different versions of events that occurred during the interrogations she underwent in 2004, after the crime.

According to the judge who delivered the judgment today, despite not having taken oath, the defendant, acting as assistant, was warned that she could not miss the fact, at the risk of being punished, and if it did, "she did so because wanted "and consciously.

The court held that the illegality committed is "remarkable gravity" and is "above average degree", given the severe sentence that the defendant complies, the seriousness of the facts, the defendants and the quality of media coverage of the case.

"It is crystal clear that the defendant lacked the truth," the judgment, which highlights various contradictions as to how she was attacked and agents who were present at the interrogation room where he says she was assaulted.

The possibility of imposing a suspended sentence was dismissed because the court finds that, despite the heavy prison sentence that fulfils the defendant continued to show disrespect for the rules.

The court added that it would be "naive" to think that a "mere threat" of imprisonment contributes to the "recovery" of the defendant, who was waived today to appear in court to hear the reading of the judgment.

The contradictory statements about the attacks that were targeted were delivered between 2008 and 2009, during the trial of the inspectors who investigated the "Joana case" that resulted in the conviction of two of the five defendants in the case.

The court gave as proven assaults, though without finding the identity of the attackers.

Gonçalo Amaral, former coordinator of the Criminal Investigation Department of the PJ of Portimão, was acquitted of the crime of failure to report abuse and sentenced to a year and a half for the crime of making false allegations, were suspended for the same period.

The inspector António Nunes Cardoso was sentenced to two years and three months for forgery of document, sentence suspended for two years.

The former agents of PJ Paulo Pereira Cristovao Morgado Leonel Marques and Paulo Marques Bom, who were accused of having tortured Leonor Cipriano in interrogations conducted in Faro PJ, were acquitted.
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline Kazcutt

Re: Does Cipriano's convictions let Amaral and the PJ off the hook?
« Reply #138 on: October 21, 2013, 09:07:11 PM »
How come amaral was suspended? How did she recieve the black eyes etc
And what happened about her and her brother killing her and his @@@@@ being found .

Ive not followed the case for years ,last i heard the police said she was having sex with her brother when joana caught them so they killed her ????

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Does Cipriano's convictions let Amaral and the PJ off the hook?
« Reply #139 on: October 21, 2013, 09:20:06 PM »
The Court of Faro today condemned Leonor Cipriano to seven months in prison for having made false statements in the case in which five PJ inspectors accused of crimes of aggression and torture.
This penalty is in addition to the 16 years that the defendant complies with the murder of her daughter Joana - missing in the village of Figueira, Portimão, on 12 September 2004 - and which has served about half.

According to the court, it was proven that Leonor Cipriano lied about how officers beat her and submitted in court different versions of events that occurred during the interrogations she underwent in 2004, after the crime.

According to the judge who delivered the judgment today, despite not having taken oath, the defendant, acting as assistant, was warned that she could not miss the fact, at the risk of being punished, and if it did, "she did so because wanted "and consciously.

The court held that the illegality committed is "remarkable gravity" and is "above average degree", given the severe sentence that the defendant complies, the seriousness of the facts, the defendants and the quality of media coverage of the case.

"It is crystal clear that the defendant lacked the truth," the judgment, which highlights various contradictions as to how she was attacked and agents who were present at the interrogation room where he says she was assaulted.

The possibility of imposing a suspended sentence was dismissed because the court finds that, despite the heavy prison sentence that fulfils the defendant continued to show disrespect for the rules.

The court added that it would be "naive" to think that a "mere threat" of imprisonment contributes to the "recovery" of the defendant, who was waived today to appear in court to hear the reading of the judgment.

The contradictory statements about the attacks that were targeted were delivered between 2008 and 2009, during the trial of the inspectors who investigated the "Joana case" that resulted in the conviction of two of the five defendants in the case.

The court gave as proven assaults, though without finding the identity of the attackers.

Gonçalo Amaral, former coordinator of the Criminal Investigation Department of the PJ of Portimão, was acquitted of the crime of failure to report abuse and sentenced to a year and a half for the crime of making false allegations, were suspended for the same period.

The inspector António Nunes Cardoso was sentenced to two years and three months for forgery of document, sentence suspended for two years.

The former agents of PJ Paulo Pereira Cristovao Morgado Leonel Marques and Paulo Marques Bom, who were accused of having tortured Leonor Cipriano in interrogations conducted in Faro PJ, were acquitted.

Thanks for posting this John..it clearly shows the court believes torture took place but was unable to show which officers did it
« Last Edit: October 21, 2013, 09:24:03 PM by davel »

Redblossom

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Re: Does Cipriano's convictions let Amaral and the PJ off the hook?
« Reply #140 on: October 21, 2013, 09:34:59 PM »
pretty defunct discussion in the context of the mccann case as they werent tortured or ever likely to be by pj or inmates or anyone else....ie the ciprianos convicted murderers case, all appeals thrown out,has nothing to do with anything here.......why people want to connect it is pretty bizarre and irrational at best....desperate and dirty at worst
« Last Edit: October 21, 2013, 09:37:49 PM by Redblossom »

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Does Cipriano's convictions let Amaral and the PJ off the hook?
« Reply #141 on: October 21, 2013, 09:36:00 PM »
pretty defunct discussion in the context of the mccann case as they werent tortured or ever likely to be by pj or inmates or anyone else....

who started the discussion ...ce

Offline Haskins

Re: Does Cipriano's convictions let Amaral and the PJ off the hook?
« Reply #142 on: October 21, 2013, 11:08:19 PM »
So the answer to the OP's question then, is no. Amaral is not off the hook because his conviction stands?

I see this as highly relevant because if he was convicted and sentenced to a year and a half (suspended)  for the crime of making false allegations, then how can we be confident that when it came to the McCann case he wasn't, er, making false allegations?


C.Edwards

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Re: Does Cipriano's convictions let Amaral and the PJ off the hook?
« Reply #143 on: October 21, 2013, 11:16:35 PM »
So the answer to the OP's question then, is no. Amaral is not off the hook because his conviction stands?

I see this as highly relevant because if he was convicted and sentenced to a year and a half (suspended)  for the crime of making false allegations, then how can we be confident that when it came to the McCann case he wasn't, er, making false allegations?

Have you read nothing?  Wouldn't it be a good idea to actually go and read up on what Amaral was convicted for?  Not the words used by the weird Portuguese system, the actual deeds.


AnneGuedes

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Re: Does Cipriano's convictions let Amaral and the PJ off the hook?
« Reply #145 on: October 21, 2013, 11:28:54 PM »
Weird... Yes. There was an article in the Official Diary condemning Mr Amaral to suspension of pension since the judgement is posterior to his retirement..

Offline Haskins

Re: Does Cipriano's convictions let Amaral and the PJ off the hook?
« Reply #146 on: October 21, 2013, 11:46:38 PM »
Have you read nothing?  Wouldn't it be a good idea to actually go and read up on what Amaral was convicted for?  Not the words used by the weird Portuguese system, the actual deeds.

You're not doing a very good job of convincing me though C. Irrespective of the details, we have a man convicted of a crime. Committed during the course of his professional duties no less. If the answer is "go  and read the list of excuses" then thanks but no thanks.  His trustworthiness is diminished, in my view, until such time as the conviction is overturned.


Offline Benice

Re: Does Cipriano's convictions let Amaral and the PJ off the hook?
« Reply #148 on: October 22, 2013, 12:08:36 AM »
How come amaral was suspended? How did she recieve the black eyes etc
And what happened about her and her brother killing her and his @@@@@ being found .

Ive not followed the case for years ,last i heard the police said she was having sex with her brother when joana caught them so they killed her ????
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Incest was the motive put forward by the PJ , but the Court rejected it.
However, inspite of there being no motive established, she was still found guilty.....   

Amaral was sentenced to 18 months in prison - suspended.   He appealed, and his appeal was thrown out.


The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal

AnneGuedes

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Re: Does Cipriano's convictions let Amaral and the PJ off the hook?
« Reply #149 on: October 22, 2013, 12:28:16 AM »
Have you read nothing?  Wouldn't it be a good idea to actually go and read up on what Amaral was convicted for?  Not the words used by the weird Portuguese system, the actual deeds.
That's extraordinary ! Pretending to have knowledge about a case when none of the inquisitors  is capable to read Portuguese and do more than googletranslate and feed on tabloids articles.
Should tattling be amazing under the benediction of the  fu...ing to...er of Mrs McCann ?