Brexit has well and truly begun!

[stephen25000]

I suppose if a soft Brexit were coupled with a blue Brexit it might become a hard Brexit and then graduate to.............................. &%+((£

Maybe, one of Trump's showers.

[John]

The only Brexit worth doing is a hard Brexit which will entail a total separation from the EU.  The US President-elect has just announced a fast-track trade deal with the UK which was inevitable. He has also predicted the break up of the EU following the UK's exit, again, inevitable.  It was a long time coming but we got there in the end.

[stephen25000]

The only Brexit worth doing is a hard which will entail a total separation from the EU.  The US President-elect has just announced a fast track trade deal with the UK which was inevitable. He has also predicted the break up of the EU following the UK's exit, again, inevitable.

Saying you can negotiate a fast trade deal is one thing, delivering it is another.

Brexit has yet to be start.

The brexit negotiations have to, be ratified i believe, by the member states, by which time, some of the dead wood will have disappeared.

Negotiations as to brexit, will also be invariably affected by forthcoming elections in other EU countries, and any trade deals can't start until brexit is ratified.

[John]

Saying you can negotiate a fast trade deal is one thing, delivering it is another.

Brexit has yet to be start.

The brexit negotiations have to, be ratified i believe, by the member states, by which time, some of the dead wood will have disappeared.

Negotiations as to brexit, will also be invariably affected by forthcoming elections in other EU countries, and any trade deals can't start until brexit is ratified.

Article 50 might not have been invoked yet Stephen but Brexit has well and truly begun, there is no going back now.   

Canada, New Zealand, Australia, South Africa and Japan will be next to do a deal. 

[stephen25000]

Article 50 might not have been invoked yet Stephen but Brexit has well and truly begun, there is no going back now.   

Canada, New Zealand, Australia, South Africa and Japan will be next to do a deal.

Deals take a while, no matter the rhetoric. 4-6 years with America.

As I said , deals cannot be initiated until brexit is finalised.


I can buy goods from those countries already , in the UK John.

So what exactly will change ?


I've just watched Panorama. Quote interesting. Worth a watch.

[John]

Deals take a while, no matter the rhetoric. 4-6 years with America.

As I said , deals cannot be initiated until brexit is finalised.


I can buy goods from those countries already , in the UK John.

So what exactly will change ?


I've just watched Panorama. Quote interesting. Worth a watch.

You do realise everything purchased from non EU countries is subject to an EU customs tariff?

Within the EU most goods are in free circulation and can be imported with minimal customs control, have no import duty or VAT to pay.

Imports from outside the EU are treated differently.

You must make an import declaration to customs generally, have to pay import duty and import VAT (plus VAT on import duty).

[stephen25000]

You do realise everything purchased from non EU countries is subject to an EU customs tariff?

Of course.

That will happen in reverse if we leave the single market.

I am well versed with Economics John.

[John]

Of course.

That will happen in reverse if we leave the single market.

I am well versed with Economics John.

You don't really think all the European car manufacturers and especially the German ones will allow that do you?

You forget the EU needs us to continue to buy from them, not the other way round.

[stephen25000]

You don't really think all the European car manufacturers and especially the German ones will allow that do you?

You forget the EU needs us to continue to buy from them, not the other way round.

We have been through all this before.

You also know full well how many of our exports go to the EU.

Brits also love the expensive German cars.

There's an old joke there, but it might be removed on here.

Have you heard the one, about what is the difference between  a hedgehog and a BMW ? 

[John]

We have been through all this before.

You also know full well how many of our exports go to the EU.

Brits also love the expensive German cars.

There's an old joke there, but it might be removed on here.

Have you heard the one, about what is the difference between  a hedgehog and a BMW ? 

As you well know the tide is from Europe so imposing any tariff would hurt the EU. There is very little which can't be sourced elsewhere in the world.  Once mans loss is another mans gain!
Anyway, if I need anything from the EU I just drive over the border.   

[Alice Purjorick]

Article 50 might not have been invoked yet Stephen but Brexit has well and truly begun, there is no going back now.   

Canada, New Zealand, Australia, South Africa and Japan will be next to do a deal.

Unless by the time Brexit has occurred they have done this Trans-Pacific Partnership Bloc thingy. Then we will be negotiating with a powerful group that may yet include the USA depending on how Donald feels about it.
It may yet turn out to be a free for all with a lot of protectionism going on.
"There I wuz" 1. In Texas in 1969. I could have bought a 353 Mustang with all the toys air con the lot for less than I could have bought a basic Mini 1000 over here. Unfortunately I couldn't afford the import duty into the UK. The Yanks are even worse than we were back then and who knows what we will be like when the EU fetters are removed.
"There I wuz" 2. I import a specific material on a small scale from NZ and pay 8% import duty on its arrival into the EU, which makes it viable just. As there are several UK firms producing similar materials I doubt the 8% will last after Brexit so I will have to look elsewhere. Back to the sucking of air over teeth and "cor no chief can't meet that spec., delivery or quality". Which prompted me to take up the NZ route in the first place.
There are plenty of legs left in this Brexit saga......

[John]

Unless by the time Brexit has occurred they have done this Trans-Pacific Partnership Bloc thingy. Then we will be negotiating with a powerful group that may yet include the USA depending on how Donald feels about it.
It may yet turn out to be a free for all with a lot of protectionism going on.
"There I wuz" 1. In Texas in 1969. I could have bought a 353 Mustang with all the toys air con the lot for less than I could have bought a basic Mini 1000 over here. Unfortunately I couldn't afford the import duty into the UK. The Yanks are even worse than we were back then and who knows what we will be like when the EU fetters are removed.
"There I wuz" 2. I import a specific material on a small scale from NZ and pay 8% import duty on its arrival into the EU, which makes it viable just. As there are several UK firms producing similar materials I doubt the 8% will last after Brexit so I will have to look elsewhere. Back to the sucking of air over teeth and "cor no chief can't meet that spec., delivery or quality". Which prompted me to take up the NZ route in the first place.
There are plenty of legs left in this Brexit saga......

There certainly is and I am the first to agree but staying in the EU was never an option.  The rate at which the UK is taking in the world's waifs and strays could never be sustainable, we have to control who is allowed to come and settle here and the only way we are ever going to do that is by taking back control.  One only needs to look at London and the multicultural mess that it has become, not in my backyard...sorry.

And for those who are in the UK illegally they must be repatriated where possible.

[stephen25000]

There certainly is and I am the first to agree but staying in the EU was never an option.  The rate at which the UK is taking in the world's waifs and strays could never be sustainable, we have to control who is allowed to come and settle here and the only way we are ever going to do that is by taking back control.  One only needs to look at London and the multicultural mess that it has become, not in my backyard...sorry.

And for those who are in the UK illegally they must be repatriated where possible.

What are the numbers of these 'waifs' as you call them ?

...............and how do the numbers coming here compare to other countries ?

[Carana]

Unless by the time Brexit has occurred they have done this Trans-Pacific Partnership Bloc thingy. Then we will be negotiating with a powerful group that may yet include the USA depending on how Donald feels about it.
It may yet turn out to be a free for all with a lot of protectionism going on.
"There I wuz" 1. In Texas in 1969. I could have bought a 353 Mustang with all the toys air con the lot for less than I could have bought a basic Mini 1000 over here. Unfortunately I couldn't afford the import duty into the UK. The Yanks are even worse than we were back then and who knows what we will be like when the EU fetters are removed.
"There I wuz" 2. I import a specific material on a small scale from NZ and pay 8% import duty on its arrival into the EU, which makes it viable just. As there are several UK firms producing similar materials I doubt the 8% will last after Brexit so I will have to look elsewhere. Back to the sucking of air over teeth and "cor no chief can't meet that spec., delivery or quality". Which prompted me to take up the NZ route in the first place.
There are plenty of legs left in this Brexit saga......

It's not just Brexit in isolation, we are now in the Brump era.

[Carana]

What are the numbers of these 'waifs' as you call them ?

...............and how do the numbers coming here compare to other countries ?

And what is meant by "waifs and strays". And where do they come from?