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Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: Brexit has well and truly begun!
« Reply #210 on: December 16, 2018, 06:40:33 PM »
Not sure. Seemingly a court case has been won in the CJEU (irony klaxon) and the UK Parliament can revoke A50 uniltaterally, which obviates all 27 EU members needing to agree and poking their favourite stick in the way at the last minute.

No one seems to agree on what Brexit even meant. IMO, the solution is to remain, until such time as people can actually be fully informed of what's at stake. In the meantime, the UK would retain its voices at the table to bring about change from within on points of disagreemennt.

IMO, there are far more disadvantages to leaving now and trying to get back in later (rebate, euro, Shengen, various other opt-outs) than remaining now and working out a viable exit some time down the road.

If I had a choice, I wouldn't let à 3-year-old politician pack my parachute.

Brexit meant whatever the particular beholder chose it to mean as no politician ever defined it properly. So each voter voted for his interpretation of Brexit from what he was being told; jingoism of the worst kind, promulgated by Boris Johnson, Nigel Farage and snake in the grass Michael Gove, which bore no relationship to reality.
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Offline Carana

Re: Brexit has well and truly begun!
« Reply #211 on: December 16, 2018, 08:49:25 PM »
Brexit meant whatever the particular beholder chose it to mean as no politician ever defined it properly. So each voter voted for his interpretation of Brexit from what he was being told; jingoism of the worst kind, promulgated by Boris Johnson, Nigel Farage and snake in the grass Michael Gove, which bore no relationship to reality.

Agree. I'd add David Davis, Raab, Paterson and a few others who clearly don't have the foggiest idea of how anything actually works. Worse: few interviewers challenge them. Unless people have taken time to do some independent homework - which relatively few people do - there's no way for people to know what's true or not.

And Corbyn seems to be up in cloud cuckoo-land as well.

Have you been following the Cambridge Analytica shenanigans? Scary.
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Offline G-Unit

Re: Brexit has well and truly begun!
« Reply #212 on: December 17, 2018, 08:59:05 AM »
The people didn't vote for or against Brexit in my opinion. They voted to stay in the EU or to leave the EU. The leavers won. Now the politicians and various others are panicking because they either don't want to leave or don't know what to do next if we do leave. It's their mess and they need to stop arguing and concentrate on doing their jobs.
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Offline G-Unit

Re: Brexit has well and truly begun!
« Reply #213 on: December 17, 2018, 11:16:53 AM »
If the UK leaves the EU on 29th March 2019 guidelines are emerging.

Holidays; package holidays are being recommended. Customers will be recompensed if the flight doesn't take place. If someone has booked their hotel/car hire separately they will not be recompensed by the airline if the flight isn't delivered.

Insurance; apparently some people rely on their right to be treated in the EU if they have existing medical conditions or fall ill. They can't rely on this continuing, so will need to be insured.

Passports; The EU passport will no longer be accepted, so a British passport with any visas necessary should be obtained. The fast track entry for EU citizens will not be available. Those with an Irish passport will be OK. The best position is for those with both British and Irish passports. They can leave the UK via fast track using their British passports, and enter an EU country via the fast track channel using their Irish passports.

Driving; an international driving licence will be needed. There are two kinds and people will need one or both depending on which countries they plan to visit.

Mobile phones; cheap roaming may or may not continue; check with your provider.
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Offline Carana

Re: Brexit has well and truly begun!
« Reply #214 on: December 17, 2018, 11:25:22 AM »
I've heard of numerous reasons for leaving, but perhaps this one takes the, erm, socket.

The James O’Brien Caller Who Voted Brexit Because Of Three-Pin Plugs

17 December 2018, 11:02
https://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/james-obrien/james-obrien-caller-voted-brexit-three-pin-plugs/

Offline Carana

Re: Brexit has well and truly begun!
« Reply #215 on: December 17, 2018, 12:28:45 PM »
I'm aware that James O'Brien is somewhat abrasive, which I find a shame. However, on substance, I find him accurate so far.


'Which EU Law Are You Most Looking Forward To Losing?'
11 October 2016, 14:03 | Updated: 12 October 2016, 07:28
https://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/james-obrien/which-eu-law-are-you-looking-forward-to-losing/

Brexiteer Tells James O'Brien He'd Be Happy If His House Price Drops By 30%
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2-q6TZVbjQ&t=41s

James O’Brien Scolds Caller Who Says Microchipping People Could Solve Irish Border
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NRNzFcoA2U


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KsyKP6mW2iA


Meanwhile...

James O'Brien's Caller Reminds Brexiteers Why Good Friday Agreement Is So Vital - Brexit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HE95nEkM_nA

Trans-European road haulier's view.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Y8qUlQHgC4
(He has since announced he's moving to Dublin to save his business).


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Offline Carana

Re: Brexit has well and truly begun!
« Reply #216 on: December 17, 2018, 01:24:21 PM »
Another ERG UK politician (Andrew Bridgen this time) who seems to think any UK citizen can waltz into Ireland and automatically claim the right to a passport and thus remain a citizen of an EU country.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJ9WrGKoFJU

No, you can't, dear, as a 5-minute google would have shown the restrictions on that "brainwave".

https://www.dfa.ie/irelanduk-citizenshipandpassports/

It's not just that they spout total gibberish most of the time, it's also that TV hosts rarely seem to challenge them with that increasingly rare commodity formerly known as fact.


Offline Carana

Re: Brexit has well and truly begun!
« Reply #217 on: December 17, 2018, 04:43:50 PM »
I've just discovered on Sky what they supposedly mean by  a "managed no deal".

"Managed no deal
Involves reverting to WTO rules with a series of mini-deals struck to mitigate the biggest risks."


Seriously?

What planet are they on?  *%87

Offline misty

Re: Brexit has well and truly begun!
« Reply #218 on: December 18, 2018, 01:01:09 AM »
Does anyone know whether Nigel Farage ever had a proper & workable Brexit plan & if so, why he has failed to produce it in the months since we voted?

Offline G-Unit

Re: Brexit has well and truly begun!
« Reply #219 on: December 18, 2018, 01:02:05 AM »
I don't much care why people voted to leave the EU. I'm sure people vote in General Elections for all kinds of strange reasons too.

When politicians show the depth of their ignorance that's more worrying because they have more power over us. There are 650 of them and their decisions affect the lives of 66 million others. The English in particular are at their mercy because they have no Assembly like the Scots and Welsh.
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Offline Carana

Re: Brexit has well and truly begun!
« Reply #220 on: December 18, 2018, 10:59:26 AM »
Does anyone know whether Nigel Farage ever had a proper & workable Brexit plan & if so, why he has failed to produce it in the months since we voted?

Not as far as I know, Misty. I've never heard him come up with anything beyond soundbites of "taking back" sovereignty / control. Empty rhetoric.

Offline G-Unit

Re: Brexit has well and truly begun!
« Reply #221 on: December 18, 2018, 02:45:09 PM »
So the government is concentrating on planning for a no deal exit now. It includes making 3,500 military personnel available 'to be deployed if needed by any government departments'. Are they expecting attacks on Government departments? By whom? Enraged remainers? Perhaps they think out borders will be overrun by people desperate to get in or out on 28th March? Do they expect a collapse in food deliveries to shops, causing rioting?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46600850
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Offline Carana

Re: Brexit has well and truly begun!
« Reply #222 on: December 18, 2018, 04:49:38 PM »
Hard to tell.


Matt Hancock has said he's become the largest buyer of fridges in the world (to stockpile medicine).
https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/matt-hancock-uk-buy-fridges-stockpile-drugs-brexit-no-deal/


They seem to be stockpiling for 6 weeks... but then what?

There are still the Johnny-come-latelies who seem to think there's time to negotiate some last-minute half-baked new plan with the EU.


Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: Brexit has well and truly begun!
« Reply #223 on: December 18, 2018, 05:29:10 PM »
So the government is concentrating on planning for a no deal exit now. It includes making 3,500 military personnel available 'to be deployed if needed by any government departments'. Are they expecting attacks on Government departments? By whom? Enraged remainers? Perhaps they think out borders will be overrun by people desperate to get in or out on 28th March? Do they expect a collapse in food deliveries to shops, causing rioting?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46600850
It’s called planning ahead for any eventuality, quite sensible I would have thought seeing as how no obe really has a clue what will happen come 1st April.
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Offline G-Unit

Re: Brexit has well and truly begun!
« Reply #224 on: December 19, 2018, 08:05:44 AM »
We have seen the panic by UK businesses at the prospect of a no deal exit but it's a two way street. European businesses will also suffer.
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/10/09/a-hard-brexit-could-halve-eu-exports-to-britain-german-study-claims.html
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