Brexit has well and truly begun!

[Holly Goodhead]

She achieved her goal, which is more than a certain Mr Clarence Mitchell did.

What goal?  Do you mean Strictly?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKIY5VnsYAM

 

[Holly Goodhead]

What goal?  Do you mean Strictly?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKIY5VnsYAM

 

Say what you like about her at least she's a good sport!

[Venturi Swirl]

Seen elsewhere

How did we move from the NHS getting 350million to the NHS being "on the table" as part of a trade agreement.
How?

[Carana]

Seen elsewhere

How did we move from the NHS getting 350million to the NHS being "on the table" as part of a trade agreement.
How?

By voting leave without the foggiest idea of what it might entail?

[Carana]

Has anyone worked out why Farage needed a £13,000-a-month 3-bedroom Chelsea home, and a chauffeur-come-bodyguard Land Rover Discovery - to the tune of £450,000 - to help him prepare to "leave politics and start a new life in the US"?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7037651/Arron-Banks-spent-450k-Nigel-Farage-including-4-4m-home-Land-Rover-utility-bills.html

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-48516348

[Venturi Swirl]

The Brexit Party manifesto is born for anyone interested.

https://brexitparty.org.uk/manifesto/

All that’s missing is a pledge to bring back hanging, the Black & White Minstrel Show and the British Empire and it would sum up Brexit perfectly (IMO).

[Carana]

Farage: "I think we're going to have to think about health care very, very differently. And I think we're going to have to move to an insurance-based system of health care. Frankly, I would feel more comfortable that my money would return value if I was able to do that through the market place of an insurance company, than just trustingly giving a £100 million a year to central government and expecting them to organise the health service from cradle to grave for us."

https://twitter.com/RupertMyers/status/1135903146071470080

Remind me again which of his benefactor's main lines of business is insurance?

Ah...     

Mr Banks has denied any wrongdoing and insisted the £8m he loaned to Leave.EU was legitimate and came from his UK insurance businesses.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-46128370

Total coincidence, of course.

And that doesn't yet touch on the prospect of having US companies potentially running UK hospitals, nor having the cap on pharmaceutical prices lifted.

A few questions:

A. What are the advantages and disadvantages of this?
B. Cui bono?
C. Is this what those who voted Brexit wanted?

[Venturi Swirl]

Farage: "I think we're going to have to think about health care very, very differently. And I think we're going to have to move to an insurance-based system of health care. Frankly, I would feel more comfortable that my money would return value if I was able to do that through the market place of an insurance company, than just trustingly giving a £100 million a year to central government and expecting them to organise the health service from cradle to grave for us."

https://twitter.com/RupertMyers/status/1135903146071470080

Remind me again which of his benefactor's main lines of business is insurance?

Ah...     

Mr Banks has denied any wrongdoing and insisted the £8m he loaned to Leave.EU was legitimate and came from his UK insurance businesses.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-46128370

Total coincidence, of course.

And that doesn't yet touch on the prospect of having US companies potentially running UK hospitals, nor having the cap on pharmaceutical prices lifted.

A few questions:

A. What are the advantages and disadvantages of this?
B. Cui bono?
C. Is this what those who voted Brexit wanted?

Ths issue may be the undoing of the Brexit Party.  If only they’d lied and vowed to pump billions more into the NHS they’d have had it sewn up.  As it is, this issue will be the Achilles heel that other parties will stick their needles into, and rightly so.  The people do not want their NHS privatised, full stop.

[Carana]

All that’s missing is a pledge to bring back hanging, the Black & White Minstrel Show and the British Empire and it would sum up Brexit perfectly (IMO).

I think quite a few people were genuinely taken in by:

- the £350m for the NHS (the net UK contribution was half that);

- the daunting thought of having to cope with a potential 70 million+ Turks about to be landing on UK's doorstep as a new member country (it never was), all scrounging while people were still reeling from austerity;

- the misconception that "Brussels" was some far-away foreign dictatorship imposing ridiculous laws (without realising just how many UK MEPs (third ex-aequo largest) were involved in shaping those laws, nor the fact that the UK contingent voted in favour of 95% of them);

- the fact that fishing quotas (another emotive issue) are allocated to member states, who then decided how to allocate them domestically;

- the insidious subliminal influence of much of the tabloid press;

- ...

I don't know anyone who believes that the EU is perfect (myself included). On the other hand, I still haven't seen a solution on the table that would offer a better deal, nor one in which the UK would hold "all the cards".

The slogans of the need to "fight" to "regain" "sovereignty", "freedom", "liberty", etc., may sound impressive, but  as Farage himself admitted - "Brexit was never going to solve any of the UK's domestic problems".

https://twitter.com/JamesMelville/status/1131177730672873478

[Carana]

Ths issue may be the undoing of the Brexit Party.  If only they’d lied and vowed to pump billions more into the NHS they’d have had it sewn up.  As it is, this issue will be the Achilles heel that other parties will stick their needles into, and rightly so.  The people do not want their NHS privatised, full stop.

I think that there are several aspects to it:

a. For many, it has emotive "national treasure" status, however much people grumble about it;

b. Some Brexit voters genuinely believed that the (false) assertion that £350m-a-week saved from EU contributions would go into the NHS coffers to improve services;

c. Was an insurance-based scheme, a de-cap on the price of pharmaceuticals, and the prospect of health care services run by overseas companies  ever presented as a viable and value-based alternative prior to the referendum?

[Carana]

How are the relatively poor with long-term illnesses, disabilities or the elderly going to finance their care?

[Carana]

The Conservatives face "potential extinction" if they do not get Brexit done, Boris Johnson has warned.

The former foreign secretary told a leadership hustings the party will "not be forgiven" if it does not take the UK out of the EU by 31 October as planned.

He said he was best placed to beat Labour and "put Nigel Farage back in his box"

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-48521389

Sounds like the political equivalent of a  "plea deal" to me... :)

[Carana]

How's the "repeal and replace" of Obamacare coming along?

[Venturi Swirl]

The Conservatives face "potential extinction" if they do not get Brexit done, Boris Johnson has warned.

The former foreign secretary told a leadership hustings the party will "not be forgiven" if it does not take the UK out of the EU by 31 October as planned.

He said he was best placed to beat Labour and "put Nigel Farage back in his box"

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-48521389

Sounds like the political equivalent of a  "plea deal" to me... :)

What is Boris’ plan for Brexit I wonder?  Why haven’t we heard what he plans to do when he becomes PM?  Is it a secret?

[Venturi Swirl]

Well done to the people of Peterborough who voted to leave but who rejected the Brexit Party.