Sunday Times claim that Smith e-fits had been suppressed for 5 years.

[Angelo222]

Dubliner Halligen got them done when Kennedy employed him in March 2008.   The question will always be why they weren't published for more than 5 years??   I suspect they simply didn't fit with someone's agenda in the same way the McCanns will never make Halligen's report about the search available. 

If Oliveira was on the ball he could present a case to the court in Lisbon to have it produced as material evidence.    

What you think Montclair??

[Redblossom]

Dubliner Halligen got them done when Kennedy employed him in March 2008.   The question will always be why they weren't published for more than 5 years??   I suspect they simply didn't fit with someone's agenda in the same way the McCanns will never make Halligen's report about the search available. 

If Oliveira was on the ball he could present a case to the court in Lisbon to have it produced as material evidence.    

What you think Montclair??

No stone  unturned.....it was said, seems a pile of rubble been thrown over this one for some reason/agenda....and the buck stops with the mccann team

[Mr Gray]

Dubliner Halligen got them done when Kennedy employed him in March 2008.   The question will always be why they weren't published for more than 5 years??   I suspect they simply didn't fit with someone's agenda in the same way the McCanns will never make Halligen's report about the search available. 

If Oliveira was on the ball he could present a case to the court in Lisbon to have it produced as material evidence.    

What you think Montclair??

 Perhaps Halligen did them himself...you do understand Halligen is a serial conman

[pegasus]

Perhaps Halligen did them himself...you do understand Halligen is a serial conman

Efits can be inaccurate anyway. There was a study recently where people were asked from memory to do efits of their partners, and the likenesses were not all as good as one might expect. The actual man IMO may look not much like the efits. At least the trouser colour (white or beige or cream) seems fairly certain.

[Redblossom]

Efits can be inaccurate anyway. There was a study recently where people were asked to do efits of their partners, and the likenesses were not all as good as one might expect. The actual man IMO may look not much like either efit. At least the trouser colour (white or beige or cream) seems fairly certain.

Yea they can be inaccurate...but no excuse to hide them while publicising others with UNTENABLE LINKS but TENABLE ones were shrouded suppressed and silenced , oh well whats new, nite

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[pathfinder73]

Efits can be inaccurate anyway. There was a study recently where people were asked from memory to do efits of their partners, and the likenesses were not all as good as one might expect. The actual man IMO may look not much like the efits. At least the trouser colour (white or beige or cream) seems fairly certain.

David Payne was wearing cream trousers at the tapas bar but it wasn't him who looked like the efit. Russ was wearing brown cords and about a foot taller than Smithman so it wasn't him. So the dogs know the answer. Did the dogs alert at Russ O'brien's No I don't think so! Jane never walked past Gerry and Jez. Gerry and Jez were talking together a lot that day according to the tennis coaches Dan Stuk and his girlfriend Georgina. The McCann's have been hiding Smithman as long as possible so there's your answer!  Any detective who has a brain knows that Smithman was the abductor of Madeleine McCann!

[John]

yes SY doing a stirling job...they've already cleared the McCanns

Cleared?  How?   Did I miss something Santa slipped down the chimney?

The last I recall Redwood telling us was that they are not suspects at this moment in time but maybe I missed the word 'cleared'.   Anyone help me out?

[John]

The whole thread is rubbish...no 5 years and no supression

I beg to differ.  Kennedy approached Smith to do an e-fit, Smith refuses.  Kennedy employs Irishman Halligen to pursue the issue.  Halligen persuades Smiths to do two e-fits and then they sit on them.  A year later they allegedly hand a copy to the cops (lost track which ones now but who cares) and little more is done with them until SY start a review and in association with the BBC decide to promote them as the hottest thing since baked potatoes (Irish connection again). 

So there you have it, created in early 2008 and first released to the public in late 2013.  Call it what the hell you want, suppressed, held back, retained, hidden, forgotten etc but whatever it was it lasted for 5 long years.  They can't explain it, Halligen comes out with a story about being threaten with legal action if he were to break contractual confidences, so he goes to the Sunday Times instead.  He spills the beans, the ST print the story and add a bit about a critical report just for good measure.  Something occurs, the ST pull their story and make an apology some months later.  Have I missed anything?  Does it all still stink to high heaven?

[John]

so now its 2 years not 5 and ignored not supressed...if there was a gold medal for back pedalling...wait for your national anthem

No its definitely 5 years between the time they were created until someone decided it was time for the public to view them just for the sake of a few Brownie points on a BBC TV show.  And there was me thinking the parents of a missing 3-year-old would do anything to find the abductor of their daughter.  Apparently not?

[Mr Gray]

I beg to differ.  Kennedy approached Smith to do an e-fit, Smith refuses.  Kennedy employs Irishman Halligen to pursue the issue.  Halligen persuades Smiths to do two e-fits and then they sit on them.  A year later they allegedly hand a copy to the cops (lost track which ones now but who cares) and little more is done with them until SY start a review and in association with the BBC decide to promote them as the hottest thing since baked potatoes (Irish connection again). 

So there you have it, created in early 2008 and first released to the public in late 2013.  Call it what the hell you want, suppressed, held back, retained, hidden, forgotten etc but whatever it was it lasted for 5 long years.  They can't explain it, Halligen comes out with a story about being threaten with legal action if he were to break contractual confidences, so he goes to the Sunday Times instead.  He spills the beans, the ST print the story and add a bit about a critical report just for good measure.  Something occurs, the ST pull their story and make an apology some months later.  Have I missed anything?  Does it all still stink to high heaven?

So the PJ had them for 4 years and did nothing with them..SY had them for 2 years and did nothing with them...neither police force produced them it was the McCanns own investigation that produced them...why did the Pj do nothing with them...why did SY do nothing with them....but posters here just want to blame the McCanns.....because all of them didn't think they were significant...everything was concentrated on the Tanner sighting...which the PJ  FAILED to investigate properly

the REAL disgrace now is that SY want to take the investigation forward...after spending millions ...and the Portuguese wont let them...now THAT is a disgrace

[stephen25000]

So the PJ had them for 4 years and did nothing with them..SY had them for 2 years and did nothing with them...neither police force produced them it was the McCanns own investigation that produced them...why did the Pj do nothing with them...why did SY do nothing with them....but posters here just want to blame the McCanns.....because all of them didn't think they were significant...everything was concentrated on the Tanner sighting...which the PJ  FAILED to investigate properly

the REAL disgrace now is that SY want to take the investigation forward...after spending millions ...and the Portuguese wont let them...now THAT is a disgrace

No the REAL disgrace is what two parents did in leaving their three children completely defenseless.


As to the PJ, they know there is no one to find.

[Eleanor]

From what I can remember these two E fits were supposedly of the same person, but they are not even remotely alike.  So perhaps someone in their wisdom decided that there was no value to either of them.
Probably Inspector Paiva since he appears to have been in receipt of them long before Scotland Yard.  And Inspector Paiva did admit in Court that he was putting new, incoming information into a "Not Relevant" File.

[Redblossom]

From what I can remember these two E fits were supposedly of the same person, but they are not even remotely alike.  So perhaps someone in their wisdom decided that there was no value to either of them.
Probably Inspector Paiva since he appears to have been in receipt of them long before Scotland Yard.  And Inspector Paiva did admit in Court that he was putting new, incoming information into a "Not Relevant" File.

of course you can back that up? Yes? No?

[Eleanor]

of course you can back that up? Yes? No?

Paiva did admit it in Court.  It's a matter of public record.

[Mr Gray]

of course you can back that up? Yes? No?

amaral wrote a whole book on things he could not back up