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Offline Angelo222

Re: Brexit has well and truly begun!
« Reply #1065 on: February 13, 2019, 04:02:03 PM »
WHAT??

You must learn to look behind the figures VS.  Liam Fox has stated that only a handful of trade deals need to be done with our biggest trading partners and that the remainder are less important as they account for a small percentage of our overall overseas trade.
« Last Edit: February 13, 2019, 04:13:25 PM by Angelo222 »
De troothe has the annoying habit of coming to the surface just when you least expect it!!

Je ne regrette rien!!

Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: Brexit has well and truly begun!
« Reply #1066 on: February 13, 2019, 04:12:16 PM »
You must learn to look behind the figures VS.
Since when has £16 billion been 90% of £117 billion? 
"Surely the fact that their accounts were different reinforces their veracity rather than diminishes it? If they had colluded in protecting ........ surely all of their accounts would be the same?" - Faithlilly

Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: Brexit has well and truly begun!
« Reply #1067 on: February 13, 2019, 04:13:30 PM »
Most business in the UK is internal and will be impacted very little by leaving the EU. Lord Bamford's JCB machinery is exported all over the world and he is wholly behind BREXIT.
May I refer you to my post above #1061
"Surely the fact that their accounts were different reinforces their veracity rather than diminishes it? If they had colluded in protecting ........ surely all of their accounts would be the same?" - Faithlilly

Offline Angelo222

Re: Brexit has well and truly begun!
« Reply #1068 on: February 13, 2019, 04:14:32 PM »
Since when has £16 billion been 90% of £117 billion?

That figure merely represents those deals completed.  The UK signed a trade deal with Switzerland just two days ago worth £32 billion.
De troothe has the annoying habit of coming to the surface just when you least expect it!!

Je ne regrette rien!!

Offline Carana

Re: Brexit has well and truly begun!
« Reply #1069 on: February 13, 2019, 04:21:30 PM »
Darren Grimes is now apparently in a bit of a financial mess due to the BeLieve campaign for which he'd been wheeled out as an offshoot. And the big boys of the other Brexit campaigns appear to have left him home to dry. Either his plea is true, and his mum will have to sell their council home to pay for his youthful ambitions, or it's an appeal for more campaign funding.

Hard to tell....

« Last Edit: February 13, 2019, 04:23:46 PM by Carana »

Offline Carana

Re: Brexit has well and truly begun!
« Reply #1070 on: February 13, 2019, 04:24:43 PM »
That figure merely represents those deals completed.  The UK signed a trade deal with Switzerland just two days ago worth £32 billion.

Erm. Yes, but it doesn't appear to cover very much and it's been updated since then.

Offline Carana

Re: Brexit has well and truly begun!
« Reply #1071 on: February 13, 2019, 04:29:11 PM »
Angelo, feel free to post updates on other FTAs or indirectly-related agreements, if you find time.

NB: With links, when possible.
« Last Edit: February 13, 2019, 04:32:27 PM by Carana »

Offline Carana

Re: Brexit has well and truly begun!
« Reply #1072 on: February 13, 2019, 04:33:22 PM »
Since when has £16 billion been 90% of £117 billion?

What's the time? Looking at my clock...

Since Liam Fox last said so, presumably.
« Last Edit: February 13, 2019, 04:44:23 PM by Carana »

Offline Carana

Re: Brexit has well and truly begun!
« Reply #1073 on: February 13, 2019, 04:37:20 PM »
You must learn to look behind the figures VS.  Liam Fox has stated that only a handful of trade deals need to be done with our biggest trading partners and that the remainder are less important as they account for a small percentage of our overall overseas trade.

Which are the biggest trading partners in question with which FTA deals have now been concluded?

Offline Carana

Re: Brexit has well and truly begun!
« Reply #1074 on: February 13, 2019, 05:15:51 PM »
Angelo, there's going to have to be some sort of compromise along the line.

Would you feel ok with one in which the UK:

- Retains the right to deport people who can't justify that they can support themselves after an initial 3-months' stay?

- Retains border control - no Schengen, but retain fast international cooperation in identifying any potential dodgy people ASAP?

- Retains the rights of UK citizens to move within Europe, whether to retire, to study, work or live with their loved one?

- Ensures that an international court can defend the UK in the event of an international dispute?

- Has relatively hassle-free agreements with 60+ countries?

- Has rules in place for UK businesses that enable them to trade hassle-free?

- Is able to maintain health and safety standards, and environmental ones, in which the UK played a role in shaping?

- Would be able to continue  to have access to major databases related to security and policing?

Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: Brexit has well and truly begun!
« Reply #1075 on: February 13, 2019, 05:19:21 PM »
Yes, those seven make up some 90% of the affected trade. The remaining countries account for a miniscule amount of trade.
Switzerland
Chile
Mauritius
Madagascar
Zimbabwe
Faroe Islands
Seychelles.
make up 90% of what exactly?
"Surely the fact that their accounts were different reinforces their veracity rather than diminishes it? If they had colluded in protecting ........ surely all of their accounts would be the same?" - Faithlilly

Offline Carana

Re: Brexit has well and truly begun!
« Reply #1076 on: February 13, 2019, 05:25:02 PM »
Switzerland
Chile
Mauritius
Madagascar
Zimbabwe
Faroe Islands
Seychelles.
make up 90% of what exactly?

Places with attractive scenery?

Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: Brexit has well and truly begun!
« Reply #1077 on: February 13, 2019, 05:51:43 PM »
Places with attractive scenery?
Ha, could be.  I’ve re-ordered the list according where I would most like to visit

1 Mauritius
2 Seychelles
3 Madagascar
4 Switzerland
5 Faroe Islands
6 Chile
7 Zimbabwe
.
"Surely the fact that their accounts were different reinforces their veracity rather than diminishes it? If they had colluded in protecting ........ surely all of their accounts would be the same?" - Faithlilly

Offline Carana

Re: Brexit has well and truly begun!
« Reply #1078 on: February 13, 2019, 06:10:17 PM »


The Bank of England governor says that post-Brexit trade deals could lead to “a golden age of trade”.
Conclusion

Mr Carney’s speech yesterday did not use these words. It did discuss both opportunities and risks from Brexit, but to describe his comments as suggesting a “golden age of trade” is misleading.

    “And will [the Prime Minister] also rule out a future customs union arrangement which would prevent us doing those global trade deals, which the Bank of England governor says is a potential golden age of trade?”

    Henry Smith MP, 13 February 2019

The only problem with that sunny upland view is that Carney said nothing of the sort.
https://fullfact.org/europe/mark-carney-brexit-golden-age/

Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: Brexit has well and truly begun!
« Reply #1079 on: February 13, 2019, 07:59:43 PM »
“Ford has become the latest carmaker to sound the alarm over Brexit, saying that it is stepping up preparations to move production out of Britain.

The business, which has 13,000 staff in the UK, told the prime minister on a private call with business leaders that it was preparing alternative sites abroad”.
"Surely the fact that their accounts were different reinforces their veracity rather than diminishes it? If they had colluded in protecting ........ surely all of their accounts would be the same?" - Faithlilly