Does Madeleine have the right to be found?

[Brietta]

I think there can be very few instances of missing children who have been given up on as quickly and irrevocably by the authorities as was Madeleine McCann.

That Madeleine was given up on in the opening stages of what should have been a search primarily for a living breathing child while keeping all options open comes in the first instance from Jose Manuel Oliveira and in the second instance from Goncalo Amaral.

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JOSE MANUEL OLIVEIRA
Crime reporter, 'Diario de Noticias'
Information started circulating from sources connected to the Portuguese police that the story was full of holes from the side of the McCanns and their friends.
Indeed within two days of Madeleine disappearing, this crime correspondent was filing this piece in the Portuguese Daily: Diario of the Noticias: "Headline: a badly told story."
We started to receive information according to which the police suspected the theory they had apprehensions, didn't believe the theory that she had been kidnapped.
To conclude, the police started to suspect the parents from the word go.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/panorama/7106086.stm


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"The little girl died in that apartment" - Gonçalo Amaral on TVI

JP: Exactly. The little girl died in that apartment?

GA: The little girl died in that apartment.

JP: On the evening of the 3rd of May.

GA: And we reached that conclusion with the data that we have.

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21 July 2008: The Portuguese authorities shelve their investigation and lift the "arguido" status of the McCanns and Mr Murat.
https://news.sky.com/story/madeleine-mccanns-disappearance-a-timeline-10803372


So the case of a little girl who vanished without trace on 3rd May 2007 was shelved just over a year later by the authorities who appeared to show more interest in building a case against first of all Murat and then her parents.

The priority appeared to be a conviction ... so how exactly did that extend to being to Madeleine McCann's benefit and the possibility that if she had been looked for as she should and not given up on almost immediately that there would have been a better chance of finding her over eleven years ago.

[kizzy]

I think there can be very few instances of missing children who have been given up on as quickly and irrevocably by the authorities as was Madeleine McCann.

That Madeleine was given up on in the opening stages of what should have been a search primarily for a living breathing child while keeping all options open comes in the first instance from Jose Manuel Oliveira and in the second instance from Goncalo Amaral.

Snip
JOSE MANUEL OLIVEIRA
Crime reporter, 'Diario de Noticias'
Information started circulating from sources connected to the Portuguese police that the story was full of holes from the side of the McCanns and their friends.
Indeed within two days of Madeleine disappearing, this crime correspondent was filing this piece in the Portuguese Daily: Diario of the Noticias: "Headline: a badly told story."
We started to receive information according to which the police suspected the theory they had apprehensions, didn't believe the theory that she had been kidnapped.
To conclude, the police started to suspect the parents from the word go.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/panorama/7106086.stm


Snip
"The little girl died in that apartment" - Gonçalo Amaral on TVI

JP: Exactly. The little girl died in that apartment?

GA: The little girl died in that apartment.

JP: On the evening of the 3rd of May.

GA: And we reached that conclusion with the data that we have.

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21 July 2008: The Portuguese authorities shelve their investigation and lift the "arguido" status of the McCanns and Mr Murat.
https://news.sky.com/story/madeleine-mccanns-disappearance-a-timeline-10803372


So the case of a little girl who vanished without trace on 3rd May 2007 was shelved just over a year later by the authorities who appeared to show more interest in building a case against first of all Murat and then her parents.

The priority appeared to be a conviction ... so how exactly did that extend to being to Madeleine McCann's benefit and the possibility that if she had been looked for as she should and not given up on almost immediately that there would have been a better chance of finding her over eleven years ago.

At that that time B as you know the mcns had maximum support.

IMO any person not looking for maddie - did not believe the mcns. they came to that conclusion on there own.

As for Murat didnt the four of the t7 say they saw murat carrying a child

Don't you think that equals also no one would be looking.for maddie


The estate agent has lodged a “criminal complaint” against Jane Tanner, 39, who claimed she saw a man carrying a child near the McCanns’ holiday apartment on the night Madeleine vanished.


 
A second complaint has been made against Ms Tanner’s partner, Dr Russell O’Brien, and Fiona Payne and Rachael Oldfield, also members of the so-called Tapas Seven.

It is understood that the complaints centre on allegations that the four gave evidence to Portuguese police which led to them making Mr Murat, 35, a suspect in the investigation.

The expat, who lived in Praia da Luz at the time, was found to have no involvement in Madeleine’s disappearance.

[Erngath]

At that that time B as you know the mcns had maximum support.

IMO any person not looking for maddie - did not believe the mcns. they came to that conclusion on there own.

As for Murat didnt the four of the t7 say they saw murat carrying a child

Don't you think that equals also no one would be looking.for maddie


The estate agent has lodged a “criminal complaint” against Jane Tanner, 39, who claimed she saw a man carrying a child near the McCanns’ holiday apartment on the night Madeleine vanished.


 
A second complaint has been made against Ms Tanner’s partner, Dr Russell O’Brien, and Fiona Payne and Rachael Oldfield, also members of the so-called Tapas Seven.

It is understood that the complaints centre on allegations that the four gave evidence to Portuguese police which led to them making Mr Murat, 35, a suspect in the investigation.

The expat, who lived in Praia da Luz at the time, was found to have no involvement in Madeleine’s disappearance.

Where and when were these complaints made and what was the outcome of the complaints?
You use the words "reported" and "understood" quite readily.
Do you have cites for these complaints?

[kizzy]

Where and when were these complaints made and what was the outcome of the complaints?
You use the words "reported" and "understood" quite readily.
Do you have cites for these complaints?

Why do you keep missing my point E.

If GA stopped public looking for maddie - so did 4 of the T7 involving murat.

https://joana-morais.blogspot.com/2010/02/mccann-case-expat-is-to-sue-tapas-bar.html



 

[Erngath]

Why do you keep missing my point E.

If GA stopped public looking for maddie - so did 4 of the T7 involving murat.

https://joana-morais.blogspot.com/2010/02/mccann-case-expat-is-to-sue-tapas-bar.html

I don't follow your logic at all.
There is nothing in your link to prove that such complaints were ever made.

[Venturi Swirl]

Why do you keep missing my point E.

If GA stopped public looking for maddie - so did 4 of the T7 involving murat.   

 https://joana-morais.blogspot.com/2010/02/mccann-case-expat-is-to-sue-tapas-bar.html

Even if the report were true, why would it have stopped the police looking for her? 

[kizzy]

I don't follow your logic at all.
There is nothing in your link to prove that such complaints were ever made.

Never mind - i don't follow yours either.

My ...point ....was .....4  t7 involved murat.

The link was to show you who they were.

So if public thought murat involved - they would not be looking for maddie either would they......

[kizzy]

Even if the report were true, why would it have stopped the police looking for her?

Well obviously they would be.

I Can't see it being murat has maddie - case closed.lets all stop searching....do you.

[Venturi Swirl]

Well obviously they would be.

I Can't see it being murat has maddie - case closed.lets all stop searching....do you.

Aren’t you just making my point for me?

[Venturi Swirl]

Never mind - i don't follow yours either.

My ...point ....was .....4  t7 involved murat.

The link was to show you who they were.

So if public thought murat involved - they would not be looking for maddie either would they......

Why not?

[Erngath]

Never mind - i don't follow yours either.

My ...point ....was .....4  t7 involved murat.

The link was to show you who they were.

So if public thought murat involved - they would not be looking for maddie either would they......

I don't know which point of my original post requires any logic to follow.
I asked questions, none of which you have answered.
Going out in a wee while .So will catch up later.

[kizzy]

Aren’t you just making my point for me?

This has got lost in translation lol.

It also makes my point G A didn't harm the search either. he was one of them

[Eleanor]

More Myth Making.

Three of The Tapas Group said that they thought they saw Robert Murat outside 5a after Madeleine was reported missing.  At least one journalist said the same.  None of them said they saw Robert Murat carrying a child.  Not even Jane Tanner said that.
Robert Murat said that he was at home with his mother.

I don't know how to find a Link, but it was all common knowledge at the time.

[Robittybob1]

More Myth Making.

Three of The Tapas Group said that they thought they saw Robert Murat outside 5a after Madeleine was reported missing.  At least one journalist said the same.  None of them said they saw Robert Murat carrying a child.  Not even Jane Tanner said that.
Robert Murat said that he was at home with his mother.

I don't know how to find a Link, but it was all common knowledge at the time.

But also Robert's mother confirmed he was at home with her.

[jassi]

More Myth Making.

Three of The Tapas Group said that they thought they saw Robert Murat outside 5a after Madeleine was reported missing. At least one journalist said the same.  None of them said they saw Robert Murat carrying a child.  Not even Jane Tanner said that.
Robert Murat said that he was at home with his mother.

I don't know how to find a Link, but it was all common knowledge at the time.

Which journalist was present that night to be able to witness that ?