White House Farm - ITV Drama Series - Part 4

[Holly Goodhead]

These individuals were obviously incompetent.  Thank goodness that Stan Jones had some wit about him.

If the individuals were incompetent then why didn't they face some disciplinary hearing or the like?

As Dr Vanezis said in his report DS Jones did not offer up anything of evidential value.  Weeks later JB's fate was sealed by the silencer and to a lesser degree JM's testimony both of which DS Jones was involved in almost single handedly.   

[steve_trousers]

I suppose because it's a team effort. It doesn't matter that the left back and the goalie let the side down because the lad up front produced the goods when it mattered.

[Holly Goodhead]

I suppose because it's a team effort. It doesn't matter that the left back and the goalie let the side down because the lad up front produced the goods when it mattered.

But unlike a game of footy where every millisecond of a game is overseen by a referee, officials, millions of spectators spectators and now VAR no one knows the history of the silencer or exactly what conversations took place between JM and DS Jones/the lad up front.

[steve_trousers]

Because we don't need to know. Because the lad up front in question is a police officer. With all the integrity and honesty that entails. It was excellent police work.

[Holly Goodhead]

Because we don't need to know. Because the lad up front in question is a police officer. With all the integrity and honesty that entails. It was excellent police work.

Of course we need transparency about chain of custody of exhibits and how witnesses are handled.

Police officers have an appalling record of corruption:

https://www.spectator.co.uk/2015/03/the-shocking-truth-about-police-corruption-in-britain/

[steve_trousers]

Of course there are some bad apples that tarnish their reputation. But as it stands, and even more so in 1985, the word of a policeman was seen as incorruptible, only in exceptional circumstances would a policeman's word be called into question.
the court had no reason to suspect that DS Jones was telling anything other than the truth, hence why his version  of events was accepted.
And lest us forget that Julie's testimony also "had the ring of truth about it"

ps - I don't agree with the substance of the article, that police officers in this country have an appalling record of corruption. We are fortunate to have one of the best police forces in the world here, in my opinion.

[Holly Goodhead]

Of course there are some bad apples that tarnish their reputation. But as it stands, and even more so in 1985, the word of a policeman was seen as incorruptible, only in exceptional circumstances would a policeman's word be called into question.
the court had no reason to suspect that DS Jones was telling anything other than the truth, hence why his version  of events was accepted.
And lest us forget that Julie's testimony also "had the ring of truth about it"

ps - I don't agree with the substance of the article, that police officers in this country have an appalling record of corruption. We are fortunate to have one of the best police forces in the world here, in my opinion.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Midlands_Serious_Crime_Squad

Corruption and wrongdoing often take decades to uncover as with the above and Hillsborough.

Transparency protects all hence PACE act 85/86 which JB did not benefit from.

[steve_trousers]

It's always easy to blame the police after the event isn't it? Hillsborough being the classic example. The families understandably wanted justice for their loved ones, and the chief of policing that day got done on a technicality, for doing something that most other people in his shoes would have done.

But the tragedy wasn't solely the fault of the police, far from it...

[Angelo222]

It's always easy to blame the police after the event isn't it? Hillsborough being the classic example. The families understandably wanted justice for their loved ones, and the chief of policing that day got done on a technicality, for doing something that most other people in his shoes would have done.

But the tragedy wasn't solely the fault of the police, far from it...

There are rotten apples in every barrel, the justice system and the police are not excluded.

[Holly Goodhead]

It's always easy to blame the police after the event isn't it? Hillsborough being the classic example. The families understandably wanted justice for their loved ones, and the chief of policing that day got done on a technicality, for doing something that most other people in his shoes would have done.

But the tragedy wasn't solely the fault of the police, far from it...

It's not a question of blaming when the police have been found responsible for wrongdoing eg in the case of Hillsborough tampering with evidence.

[steve_trousers]

The Hillsborough disaster was not solely the fault of the police, far from it. But that is a topic for another thread.

In spite of the occasional bad apple, a policeman's word remains his bond. There is no reason to question what DS Jones uncovered in the Bamber case. It was excellent detective work.

[Myster]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Midlands_Serious_Crime_Squad

Corruption and wrongdoing often take decades to uncover as with the above and Hillsborough.

Transparency protects all hence PACE act 85/86 which JB did not benefit from.

Essex Police were at the forefront though...

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[Myster]

Did Bamber ask his cousin David Boutflour to remove all the firearms, ammunition, etc. from WHF, or is that just another lie?...

https://www.itv.com/news/2020-01-29/jeremy-bamber-white-house-farm-killer-claims-innocence-in-previously-unseen-letter/

[Nicholas]

Didn’t Aunt Agatha once say on blue she had one of Bambers shotguns? She posted a list of things he’d handed out to her which included his ‘pony tail’

[Nicholas]

According to Scott Lomax

SC Lomax
@SCLomax
Julie tried to kill Jeremy Bamber and told him that if she couldn't have him, no one would. She then reported him to the police.
9:51 PM · Jan 29, 2020·Twitter for iPad
https://mobile.twitter.com/SCLomax/status/1222638424496267264