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Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: McCanns appeal to the European Court of Human Rights
« Reply #4995 on: January 19, 2023, 11:30:22 PM »
What some people have clearly chosen to overlook is that there would have been no photofits at all if the parents hadn’t spent hundreds of thousands of pounds investigating Madeleine’s disappearance (aka their own crimes according to some)..  Now why the hell would anybody do that, pray tell, and then hand over evidence incriminating themselves to two police forces when they could have sat on it forever, of put it through the shredder?  You guys are simply not thinking logically or rationally.
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Offline Brietta

Re: McCanns appeal to the European Court of Human Rights
« Reply #4996 on: January 19, 2023, 11:37:27 PM »
What some people have clearly chosen to overlook is that there would have been no photofits at all if the parents hadn’t spent hundreds of thousands of pounds investigating Madeleine’s disappearance (aka their own crimes according to some)..  Now why the hell would anybody do that, pray tell, and then hand over evidence incriminating themselves to two police forces when they could have sat on it forever, of put it through the shredder?  You guys are simply not thinking logically or rationally.

Logic or rationality or thinking are not words which immediately spring to mind as being part of the sceptic lexicon.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: McCanns appeal to the European Court of Human Rights
« Reply #4997 on: January 20, 2023, 04:56:25 AM »

Exton submitted his report to Madeleine's Fund in November 2008, recommending the release of the e-fits and the revised timeline, but the relationship between the Fund and the company had soured, and the Fund's lawyers warned Exton that the report and its e-fits had to remain confidential.

The Fund did not release the Smith e-fits; a spokesperson told the Sunday Times that the Oakley report had been "hypercritical of the people involved ... It just wouldn't be conducive to the investigation to have that report publicly declared because ... the newspapers would have been all over it. And it would have been completely distracting." Instead the Fund focused on the Tanner sighting, even though Tanner had not seen the man's face. Kate McCann did not include the Smith e-fits with the other images of suspects in her book, Madeleine (2011), even though she suggested that both the Tanner and Smith sightings were crucial.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disappearance_of_Madeleine_McCann

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2478087/Why-Madeleine-McCann-suspect-E-fits-kept-secret-5-years.html

http://m.theaustralian.com.au/news/world/madeleine-mccann-e-fit-pictures-overlooked-for-5-years/story-fnb64oi6-1226748119500

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/347672/Maddie-Crimewatch-pictures-kept-secret-for-five-years

http://www.thestar.ie/star/e-fit-of-maddie-kidnap-suspect-was-suppressed-five-years-ago-35302/

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/madeleinemccann/10407664/Madeleine-McCann-critical-new-evidence-is-from-five-year-old-suppressed-report.html
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Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: McCanns appeal to the European Court of Human Rights
« Reply #4998 on: January 20, 2023, 05:04:38 AM »

They got private eyes to obtain e-fits, that definitely weren't Gerry, then ignored the advice from said experts that they be released immediately, even though this could well have been the abductor & couldn't possibly have been Gerry anyway, because he was at the tapas wasn't he.
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Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: McCanns appeal to the European Court of Human Rights
« Reply #4999 on: January 20, 2023, 05:14:09 AM »

Gerry then described the e-fits, when finally they were released by SY, as being "so important to them".

https://youtu.be/OZ8jmdWlB8Y?t=2033



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Offline G-Unit

Re: McCanns appeal to the European Court of Human Rights
« Reply #5000 on: January 20, 2023, 07:25:32 AM »
What some people have clearly chosen to overlook is that there would have been no photofits at all if the parents hadn’t spent hundreds of thousands of pounds investigating Madeleine’s disappearance (aka their own crimes according to some)..  Now why the hell would anybody do that, pray tell, and then hand over evidence incriminating themselves to two police forces when they could have sat on it forever, of put it through the shredder?  You guys are simply not thinking logically or rationally.

You have missed the fact that Exton kept copies, so the evidence couldn't easily be suppressed. When asked by OG he gave them his copies, after they got permission from the McCanns.
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Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: McCanns appeal to the European Court of Human Rights
« Reply #5001 on: January 20, 2023, 07:31:11 AM »
You have missed the fact that Exton kept copies, so the evidence couldn't easily be suppressed. When asked by OG he gave them his copies, after they got permission from the McCanns.
Why did they get permission off the McCanns if the latter were intent on suppressing them?  You have missed the rest of my post.  Why invest hundreds of thousands of pounds investigating a crime for which you were responsible and getting photifits produced of yourself in the act of committing said crime? 
"Surely the fact that their accounts were different reinforces their veracity rather than diminishes it? If they had colluded in protecting ........ surely all of their accounts would be the same?" - Faithlilly

Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: McCanns appeal to the European Court of Human Rights
« Reply #5002 on: January 20, 2023, 07:52:11 AM »
Why did they get permission off the McCanns if the latter were intent on suppressing them?  You have missed the rest of my post.  Why invest hundreds of thousands of pounds investigating a crime for which you were responsible and getting photifits produced of yourself in the act of committing said crime?

Did the McCanns know their private eyes would be obtaining e-fits, from the Smiths? Were they interviewed & obtained specifically at the request of the McCanns?
What were the McCanns supposed to do with all that fund money, donated to help find Madeleine?
I imagine the trustees & major donors of the fund might be slightly curious why the McCanns never hired anyone to look for her at all.
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Offline G-Unit

Re: McCanns appeal to the European Court of Human Rights
« Reply #5003 on: January 20, 2023, 08:35:36 AM »
Why did they get permission off the McCanns if the latter were intent on suppressing them?  You have missed the rest of my post.  Why invest hundreds of thousands of pounds investigating a crime for which you were responsible and getting photifits produced of yourself in the act of committing said crime?

Because Exton had been threatened with legal action if he shared the information with anyone. OG had to get the McCann's permission therefore.
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Offline Lace

Re: McCanns appeal to the European Court of Human Rights
« Reply #5004 on: January 20, 2023, 09:26:30 AM »
i don't think it mentions the fact that the McCanns chose not to publicise the Exton e-fits.

Maybe because they weren't able to publicise the e-fits,  maybe that was up to the Police.

Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: McCanns appeal to the European Court of Human Rights
« Reply #5005 on: January 20, 2023, 09:31:17 AM »
Because Exton had been threatened with legal action if he shared the information with anyone. OG had to get the McCann's permission therefore.
So if Exton were bound in law not to share the information why did the McCanns give permission for the e-fits to be released if they were so damning?  How did the police even know of their existence in the first place?  did the police specifically ask for the e-fits but weren't interested in any of the other information that Exton had gathered? Why, having received the e-fits which some consider so vitally relevant, did the police eventually go on to re-open an investigation into stranger abduction do you think?
You have still failed to address the rest of my post.  The McCanns were under no obligation to set up a fund to investigate their own crimes, yet according to some that is precisely what they did.  Do you think this is credible behaviour?  If they realised that any donations could only be used for the purposes of investigating a crime they themselves had committed (otherwise people would raise an eyebrow), they could simply have handed over any donations to a missing persons charity (as they were so frequently chastised for not doing so by their detractors), claiming early on that they had come to terms with the fact that Madeleine was not coming back, then slinking off into the shadows, and not bothered to write a million pound book to fund yet more investigations into their own crimes.  Let's at least acknowledge that such actions, if true, are incredibly bizarre and unprecedented in the history of similar such crimes.
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"Surely the fact that their accounts were different reinforces their veracity rather than diminishes it? If they had colluded in protecting ........ surely all of their accounts would be the same?" - Faithlilly

Offline Lace

Re: McCanns appeal to the European Court of Human Rights
« Reply #5006 on: January 20, 2023, 09:46:04 AM »
Because Exton had been threatened with legal action if he shared the information with anyone. OG had to get the McCann's permission therefore.

The McCanns have been critised by police chief Carlos Anjos described the move as 'another diversion manoeuvre by the McCanns'. Under Portuguese law the couple are not allowed to undertake their own investigations while the police probe is ongoing. CRG is instead said to be focusing on other countries including Spain and Morocco, where the couple believe four-year-old Madeleine may have been taken after being kidnapped on May 3. However, the news sparked an immediate reaction from officers in Portugal, where the McCanns have been named as "arguidos" or formal suspects in their daughter's disappearance.

http://netk.net.au/Madeleine/Madeleine30.asp
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Offline Lace

Re: McCanns appeal to the European Court of Human Rights
« Reply #5007 on: January 20, 2023, 09:51:59 AM »
I believe the McCann's were reluctant to publish the E-fits the Private Investigators managed to get because they feared backlash from the Portuguese Police.  It was an investigation in Portugal therefore it was up to the Portuguese to publish them.

The Victoria Beckham E-fit was not linked to the Portuguese investigation.

Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: McCanns appeal to the European Court of Human Rights
« Reply #5008 on: January 20, 2023, 09:53:38 AM »
So if Exton were bound in law not to share the information why did the McCanns give permission for the e-fits to be released if they were so damning?  How did the police even know of their existence in the first place?  did the police specifically ask for the e-fits but weren't interested in any of the other information that Exton had gathered? Why, having received the e-fits which some consider so vitally relevant, did the police eventually go on to re-open an investigation into stranger abduction do you think?
You have still failed to address the rest of my post.  The McCanns were under no obligation to set up a fund to investigate their own crimes, yet according to some that is precisely what they did.  Do you think this is credible behaviour?  If they realised that any donations could only be used for the purposes of investigating a crime they themselves had committed (otherwise people would raise an eyebrow), they could simply have handed over any donations to a missing persons charity (as they were so frequently chastised for not doing so by their detractors), claiming early on that they had come to terms with the fact that Madeleine was not coming back, then slinking off into the shadows, and not bothered to write a million pound book to fund yet more investigations into their own crimes.  Let's at least acknowledge that such actions, if true, are incredibly bizarre and unprecedented in the history of similar such crimes.

Did you know an ex inspector also wrote a book about the case? Yeah, he called it The Truth Of The Lie, it could be read inside a day, &, according to Kate's testimony, the book sounded credible. Kate then wrote her own account of the truth, to address discrepancies & project her own narrative. Well anyway, the McCanns failed miserably in their lengthy attempt to have the inspectors book banned by the way.
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Offline G-Unit

Re: McCanns appeal to the European Court of Human Rights
« Reply #5009 on: January 20, 2023, 10:34:07 AM »
Maybe because they weren't able to publicise the e-fits,  maybe that was up to the Police.

At the time the only people investigating Madeleine's disappearance were the McCann's PI's, apparently.
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