Disappeared and Abducted Children and Young Adults => Madeleine McCann (3) disappeared from her parent's holiday apartment at Ocean Club, Praia da Luz, Portugal on 3 May 2007. No trace of her has ever been found. => Topic started by: Redblossom on April 19, 2013, 10:32:32 PM
Title: The McCanns said they checked on their kids every 30 mins
Post by: Redblossom on April 19, 2013, 10:32:32 PM
But did they? In their own words they never physically checked so they could have have been lying there injured unconscious or dead and they would not have a clue when they just turned around after not hearing any NOISE
Ponder on what they said, happy to leave their three babies alone and when checking didnt actually check, beggars belief
Title: Re: The McCanns said they checked on their kids every 30 mins
Post by: amaraltheofficeboy on April 19, 2013, 10:34:15 PM
" they never physically checked"
explain
Title: Re: The McCanns said they checked on their kids every 30 mins
Post by: Redblossom on April 19, 2013, 10:41:05 PM
gerry said thursday was the ONLY night he physically checked...kate said in her documentary on channel 4 thursday night was tempted to just go away cos all was quiet, suggesting a pattern
"gerry said thursday was the ONLY night he physically checked"
so he physically checked then?
yes but only the once and coincidentally just a couple of minutes before Madeleine was alledgedl taken, funny that
Title: Re: The McCanns said they checked on their kids every 30 mins
Post by: amaraltheofficeboy on April 19, 2013, 10:58:40 PM
"yes but only the once"
so you accept he checked now?
Title: Re: The McCanns said they checked on their kids every 30 mins
Post by: amaraltheofficeboy on April 19, 2013, 11:14:34 PM
well yes.
Title: Re: The McCanns said they checked on their kids every 30 mins
Post by: amaraltheofficeboy on April 19, 2013, 11:21:12 PM
I must admit that in all my years on forums, I have never seen anyone disprove what they said in the opening post so quickly.
Ah well - we live and learn
well some of us do
Title: Re: The McCanns said they checked on their kids every 30 mins
Post by: Redblossom on April 20, 2013, 10:57:55 PM
FACT Gerry NEVER checked on his kids physically apart from allegedly that night
FACT Kate McCanns blasé comment on their documentary that she was tempted to walk away after hearing no noise POINTS to the possibility she did this every night
ERGO its very very possible the McCanns NEVER thought it necessary to check physically on their THREE BABIES
Responsible parenting ok I suppose, wonder if they checked them when they staggered home
Title: Re: The McCanns said they checked on their kids every 30 mins
Post by: debunker on April 21, 2013, 07:37:57 AM
FACT Gerry NEVER checked on his kids physically apaet from alledgedly that night
FACT Kate Mccanns blase comment on their documentary that she was tempted to walk away after hearing no noise POINTS to the possibility she did this every nifht
ERGO its very very possiboe th mccanns NEVER ghoufht it necessary to check physically on their THREE BABIES
Responsible parenting ok I suppose, wonder if they checked them when they staggered home
Cite???
Title: Re: The McCanns said they checked on their kids every 30 mins
Post by: Redblossom on April 21, 2013, 02:49:55 PM
The cite was in the third post in this thread. It is a fact that Gerry said for the whole duration of the holiday and his checks he never once stuck his head in the room.
Kate Mccann does not say the same, just that she was tempted to turn away because she heard no noise on that fateful night. It is at least PLAUSIBLE to assume it was not the only time she was tempted to do just that especially seeing as on that morning Madeleine had said they were not there when they were crying. And no, it couldnt have been as Gerry asks was it when they were bathing them or putting them to bed. As they would have been there! On those occasions. ie if when told about waking and crying she would have wa ted to check more rigorously but she didnt seem to want to cos all was quiet
Title: Re: The McCanns said they checked on their kids every 30 mins
Post by: Admin on April 21, 2013, 03:25:32 PM
It depends entirely on what you mean by check?
Does it mean go up to the apartment and listen at the bedroom door?
Does it mean go into the bedroom and peer into the darkness?
Does it mean go into the bedroom and put on the bedroom light?
Does it mean walk past the apartment and listen for noises?
All these activities would have been carried out at one stage or other by not only the McCanns but by several others. The collective checked on the children?
Title: Re: The McCanns said they checked on their kids every 30 mins
Post by: peter claridge on April 21, 2013, 03:32:54 PM
Does it mean go up to the apartment and listen at the bedroom door?
Does it mean go into the bedroom and peer into the darkness?
Does it mean go into the bedroom and put on the bedroom light?
Does it mean walk past the apartment and listen for noises?
All these activities would have been carried out at one stage or other by not only the McCanns but by several others. The collective checked on the children?
Any checking that was done would have been visual and by the childrens respective parents. Just listening is a by-product of the Smith sighting
Title: Re: The McCanns said they checked on their kids every 30 mins
Post by: sadie on April 21, 2013, 08:40:48 PM
It is my understanding that the norm for checking children at Mark Warner resorts was every 30 minutes, how often do you think they should have checked, Peter?
Title: Re: The McCanns said they checked on their kids every 30 mins
Post by: Redblossom on April 21, 2013, 11:48:11 PM
Does it mean go up to the apartment and listen at the bedroom door?
Does it mean go into the bedroom and peer into the darkness?
Does it mean go into the bedroom and put on the bedroom light?
Does it mean walk past the apartment and listen for noises?
All these activities would have been carried out at one stage or other by not only the McCanns but by several others. The collective checked on the children?
A check on ones kids is to see if they are ok. By all accounts they were all just listening for crying or signs of being awake. Auditory. not physical checks. There is a huge difference.
Title: Re: The McCanns said they checked on their kids every 30 mins
Post by: amaraltheofficeboy on April 21, 2013, 11:56:50 PM
Quote
they never physically checked
round and round in circles
Title: Re: The McCanns said they checked on their kids every 30 mins
Post by: gilet on April 22, 2013, 03:19:33 AM
Does it mean go up to the apartment and listen at the bedroom door?
Does it mean go into the bedroom and peer into the darkness?
Does it mean go into the bedroom and put on the bedroom light?
Does it mean walk past the apartment and listen for noises?
All these activities would have been carried out at one stage or other by not only the McCanns but by several others. The collective checked on the children?
A check on ones kids is to see if they are ok. By all accounts they were all just listening for crying or signs of being awake. Auditory. not physical checks. There is a huge difference.
Well thats all I've ever done unless there was a very specific cause for concern such as one of the children going to bed with a very bad fever or something similar. I just listened at the bedroom door. It was physical in that sense. I did not conduct physical examinations of them or prod them or turn on the lights. And I doubt that any sane person would either as it is likely to wake the children.
You check while causing the absolute minimum of disturbance which usually means just listening.
Title: Re: The McCanns said they checked on their kids every 30 mins
Post by: Redblossom on April 22, 2013, 03:23:54 AM
unless you left them alone in an open flat 200 yards away, and a balcony to fall over, maybe, in a foreign environment,not onowing hearing or seeing what they were up to, in your own house whdn you are THERE perhaps its different
Title: Re: The McCanns said they checked on their kids every 30 mins
Post by: gilet on April 22, 2013, 03:48:09 AM
The distance (of which you demonstrate terrible ignorance, it having been nowhere near 200 yards) is irrelevant.
The checks were not done from a foreign country. The parents and the children were in the same country at the time.
The checks were not done from any distance from the apartment but either right by the windows or right by the inner doors.
The checks were not done by the McCanns listening from the Tapas restauraunt (fifty metres away). They were done right by the door inside the apartment.
There is no difference between the checks done at the bedroom door there and those I did here in the UK at the bedroom door.
Exactly the same.
Title: Re: The McCanns said they checked on their kids every 30 mins
Post by: Redblossom on April 22, 2013, 03:56:20 AM
gilet out of ear and eyeshot for hours if no physical checks were made, thats the tall and the short of it
As for the distance, it was 50 metres as the crow flies to the back of the flat, that means nothing as they were not crows with wings, to get to the kids was a lot further and the front of the flat WAS 200 yards away
Title: Re: The McCanns said they checked on their kids every 30 mins
Post by: Luz on April 22, 2013, 03:59:02 AM
I must admit that in all my years on forums, I have never seen anyone disprove what they said in the opening post so quickly.
Ah well - we live and learn
well some of us do
I've always said that they either never checked the children or the children were with someone and didn't need checking.
In my opinion the children were not alone. I will not say anything else (Carter-Rucksie is over us), but it's bery indicative the fact that Mrs.Healy didn't cry out she that is gone or she disappeared, she instead said, "they have taken her". There is no accent, regionalism or class differences in the language that justifies that expression And to reinforce that, the certainty that she always claimed that the child had not wandered alone but that she had been taken. What does she know that she is not saying?!
Title: Re: The McCanns said they checked on their kids every 30 mins
Post by: gilet on April 22, 2013, 04:15:01 AM
gilet out of ear and eyeshot for hours if no physical checks were made, thats the tall and the short of it
As for the distance, it was 50 metres as the crow flies to the back of the flat, that means nothing as they were not crows with wings, to get to the kids was a lot further and the front of the flat WAS 200 yards away
As they didn't go anywhere near the front of the flat and were at the bedroom door when the checks were made your claim about the distance while being totally inaccurate is also totally and utterly irrelevant.
The were checking at the bedroom door just as I was here in the UK.
There is no relevance to distance from the Tapas, to foreign countries etc.
Title: Re: The McCanns said they checked on their kids every 30 mins
Post by: gilet on April 22, 2013, 04:17:11 AM
I must admit that in all my years on forums, I have never seen anyone disprove what they said in the opening post so quickly.
Ah well - we live and learn
well some of us do
I've always said that they either never checked the children or the children were with someone and didn't need checking.
In my opinion the children were not alone. I will not say anything else (Carter-Rucksie is over us), but it's bery indicative the fact that Mrs.Healy didn't cry out she that is gone or she disappeared, she instead said, "they have taken her". There is no accent, regionalism or class differences in the language that justifies that expression And to reinforce that, the certainty that she always claimed that the child had not wandered alone but that she had been taken. What does she know that she is not saying?!
So once again you are diverting from the issue being discussed.
Are you doing it deliberately?
This thread is about the checks.
OK you don't think there were any. So you completely dismiss all the evidence of all the Tapas group. Well if you are not prepared to discuss actual evidence and simply prefer to make up your own ideas then you really are never going to solve anything are you?
Title: Re: The McCanns said they checked on their kids every 30 mins
Post by: Redblossom on April 22, 2013, 04:23:03 AM
gilet out of ear and eyeshot for hours if no physical checks were made, thats the tall and the short of it
As for the distance, it was 50 metres as the crow flies to the back of the flat, that means nothing as they were not crows with wings, to get to the kids was a lot further and the front of the flat WAS 200 yards away
As they didn't go anywhere near the front of the flat and were at the bedroom door when the checks were made your claim about the distance while being totally inaccurate is also totally and utterly irrelevant.
The were checking at the bedroom door just as I was here in the UK.
There is no relevance to distance from the Tapas, to foreign countries etc.
Straw clutching again and diverting away from the point that the parents didnt physically check on their kids, why did they bother going there in the first place? If you leave your house, and dont lock the door too, and go down the pub and go back to check on your kids, what do you do it for? to see they are atill there and breathing
Title: Re: The McCanns said they checked on their kids every 30 mins
Post by: gilet on April 22, 2013, 04:35:54 AM
You are now resorting to lies.
I am not diverting from the point.
The fact is that a physical check on children does not mean prodding and poking them or handling them in any way unless there is a specific reason such as fever when they went to bed to monitor.
It means listening at the door with the lights out.
Your idiotic attempts to introduce such utter irrelevancies as foreign countries and your lies about distance are simply pathetic attempts to bolster your non argument. You are being totally silly.
Gerry and Kate McCann checked at the bedroom door on their children in the same way as they and all other normal people check on their children.
When you demonstrate that there is some other kind of physical checking that you want us to believe that parents should do then perhaps this thread might get there.
Till then as far as I am concerned, physical checking means making sure you are physically within hearing and/or seeing distance of the children and we know the McCanns were checking in that way.
Title: Re: The McCanns said they checked on their kids every 30 mins
Post by: Redblossom on April 22, 2013, 04:48:19 AM
The fact is that a physical check on children does not mean prodding and poking them or handling them in any way unless there is a specific reason such as fever when they went to bed to monitor.
It means listening at the door with the lights out.
Your idiotic attempts to introduce such utter irrelevancies as foreign countries and your lies about distance are simply pathetic attempts to bolster your non argument. You are being totally silly.
Gerry and Kate McCann checked at the bedroom door on their children in the same way as they and all other normal people check on their children.
When you demonstrate that there is some other kind of physical checking that you want us to believe that parents should do then perhaps this thread might get there.
Till then as far as I am concerned, physical checking means making sure you are physically within hearing and/or seeing distance of the children and we know the McCanns were checking in that way.
lies? What lies? And who suggested prodding or poking, arent you exagerating stuff here? What is the point of checking on kids if you dont check on them it really is that simple you know
Title: Re: The McCanns said they checked on their kids every 30 mins
Post by: debunker on April 22, 2013, 12:04:11 PM
The bottom line is that they are legally innocent of child neglect.
Everything else is just a matter of differing individual beliefs- saying more about the commentator than the McCanns!