McCanns appeal to the European Court of Human Rights

[Mr Gray]

The fact that her parents were made arguidos for spurious reasons which resulted in neither evidence supporting their involvement in Madeleine's disappearance nor the fact that there was any evidence to support Madeleine's demise; leaves me with the firm belief that her presumption of life just as her parents presumption of innocence have been ground into the dust.

Not really by the Portuguese system which allowed a mibbees aye mibbees no for Madeleine and the release of the arguidos from suspicion ... but when it boils down to it ... one man who wrote a book with no substance to it.

It will be interesting if nothing else to see what the ECHR makes of the points of law which have arisen as a result of an appeal court decision which some see as sacrosanct.
For me, I am just disappointed that Madeleine's parents have been left to seek justice in the European Court and I wish them every hope for success, but more than that, I wish them the success of finding out what happened to their daughter and perhaps even her return.

Absolutely true....IMO

[stephen25000]

The fact that her parents were made arguidos for spurious reasons which resulted in neither evidence supporting their involvement in Madeleine's disappearance nor the fact that there was any evidence to support Madeleine's demise; leaves me with the firm belief that her presumption of life just as her parents presumption of innocence have been ground into the dust.

Not really by the Portuguese system which allowed a mibbees aye mibbees no for Madeleine and the release of the arguidos from suspicion ... but when it boils down to it ... one man who wrote a book with no substance to it.

It will be interesting if nothing else to see what the ECHR makes of the points of law which have arisen as a result of an appeal court decision which some see as sacrosanct.
For me, I am just disappointed that Madeleine's parents have been left to seek justice in the European Court and I wish them every hope for success, but more than that, I wish them the success of finding out what happened to their daughter and perhaps even her return.

In reality, the spurious reasons, are in your opinion.


The PJ could find no evidence to support abduction.

[slartibartfast]

perhaps its because its all true...imo

Doesn’t matter if it is true or not, it is unknown whether the reasons where spurious.

[Mr Gray]

I still maintain absence of evidence is evidence of innocence  imo...posters here regularly use the absence argument a s evidence

[G-Unit]

I have cosidered that and it may be another mistake by the SC.....public figures have less protection but imo public figures refers to public servants...again something for the ECHR to rule on

Nope! The SC were quite correct;

a public figure, either a public official or any other person pervasively involved in public affairs, or. a limited purpose public figure, meaning those who have "thrust themselves to the forefront of particular public controversies in order to influence the resolution of the issues involved."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_figure

[Mr Gray]

Doesn’t matter if it is true or not, it is unknown whether the reasons where spurious.

as far as I am aware it is known and admitted in the archiving report...in similar words...all my opinion

[slartibartfast]

I still maintain absence of evidence is evidence of innocence  imo...posters here regularly use the absence argument a s evidence

It seems learned judges disagree with you.

[Mr Gray]

Nope! The SC were quite correct;

a public figure, either a public official or any other person pervasively involved in public affairs, or. a limited purpose public figure, meaning those who have "thrust themselves to the forefront of particular public controversies in order to influence the resolution of the issues involved."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_figure

I dont think wiki will be admissable in the ECHR...do you

[Mr Gray]

It seems learned judges disagree with you.

judges have been wrong before

[stephen25000]

judges have been wrong before

Quite right, the first judge, in the case.

[Mr Gray]

Quite right, the first judge, in the case.

Interesting point...the fact that she found in the mccanns favour shows the case is not as clear cut as the sceptics would think

[stephen25000]

Interesting point...the fact that she found in the mccanns favour shows the case is not as clear cut as the sceptics would think

She made mistakes.

She didn't abide by Portuguese Law.

Quite rightly, after all, we have to abide by the law.

[Mr Gray]

She made mistakes.

She didn't abide by Portuguese Law.

Quite rightly, after all, we have to abide by the law.

I think you will find it is european law that is important here

[stephen25000]

I think you will find it is european law that is important here

...and I think that this attempt going to the E.C.H.R. is merely a delaying tactic and will be a complete failure.

Have you read the data I provided earlier from the E.C.H.R. ?

[jassi]

...and I think that this attempt going to the E.C.H.R. is merely a delaying tactic and will be a complete failure.

Have you read the data I provided earlier from the E.C.H.R. ?

I don't see it as a delaying tactic, merely a manifestation of their inability to accept that they are wrong.