McCanns appeal to the European Court of Human Rights

[Mr Gray]

Never tust the press.
One inescapable point is that the PP could have given arguido status to the McCanns on the basis they were last to see Madeleine alive.

i dont trust the press..Ive actually been featured by name in the sun..re a professional matter.... but my very well reasoned opinions are based on the statements of harrison and grime

[Brietta]

Never tust the press.
One inescapable point is that the PP could have given arguido status to the McCanns on the basis they were last to see Madeleine alive.

  ... and it may not have been a bad idea to do just that to afford them the protection provided by arguido status under Portuguese law and not done in desperation to apparently extract a confession all else having failed. 

[slartibartfast]

  ... and it may not have been a bad idea to do just that to afford them the protection provided by arguido status under Portuguese law and not done in desperation to apparently extract a confession all else having failed.

IYO

[Alice Purjorick]

  ... and it may not have been a bad idea to do just that to afford them the protection provided by arguido status under Portuguese law and not done in desperation to apparently extract a confession all else having failed.

There should be an IMO in there somewhere unless you have incontrovertble evidence your assertion is true.
You being a Mod and all...tsk tsk

[Angelo222]

  ... and it may not have been a bad idea to do just that to afford them the protection provided by arguido status under Portuguese law and not done in desperation to apparently extract a confession all else having failed.

There was nothing wrong in trying to elicit a confession imo, it is after all a tried and tested police procedure in every jurisdiction in the world.  Why do you condemn the Portuguese police for doing something which was their right as investigators ie to get to the truth by every legal avenue possible?

[Robittybob1]

there was a possibility of a cadaver being there ...without the dogs...Im quoting Harrison..


Im happy to accept that there was a cadaver in  5a...I dont need the dogs to tell me that

Could you give me the actual quote from Harrison you are referring to please?

[Robittybob1]

There should be an IMO in there somewhere unless you have incontrovertible evidence your assertion is true.
You being a Mod and all...tsk tsk

How can you ever find "incontrovertible evidence" of an assertion prefixed by "and it may not have been a bad idea".

Saying "And it may not have been a bad idea" clearly shows the concept is based on opinion.  We could write IMO after it just to be pedantic.

[Alice Purjorick]

How can you ever find "incontrovertible evidence" of an assertion prefixed by "and it may not have been a bad idea".

Saying "And it may not have been a bad idea" clearly shows the concept is based on opinion.  We could write IMO after it just to be pedantic.

True, however to be grammatically correct no such caveat attaches to the latter part of the sentence.
"and not done in desperation to apparently extract a confession all else having failed".
In that case opinion is being passed off as fact and you as another Mod are excusing it.

[Robittybob1]

True, however to be grammatically correct no such caveat attaches to the latter part of the sentence.
"and not done in desperation to apparently extract a confession all else having failed".
In that case opinion is being passed off as fact and you as another Mod are excusing it.

All that last bit hinges on the word "apparently", so that too is a way of seeing things, an opinion in other words.
It is an opinion expressed in terms of opinion.

[G-Unit]

For anyone who wishes to understand why the SC judges said the archived case couldn't be reopened if it was archived using 277/1, Euros 89 will buy the book they quoted from;

http://www.almedina.net/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=23805

[Robittybob1]

For anyone who wishes to understand why the SC judges said the archived case couldn't be reopened if it was archived using 277/1, Euros 89 will buy the book they quoted from;

http://www.almedina.net/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=23805

Would that be in Portuguese?

[Brietta]

There should be an IMO in there somewhere unless you have incontrovertble evidence your assertion is true.
You being a Mod and all...tsk tsk

Did you miss John's post where he pointed out that there is more than one way of expressing opinion?

NB
apparently - adverb  ~ so the story goes - so I'm told - allegedly - as far as one knows - by all accounts - so it seems
That is only Google.  I recommend you check others.

Perhaps you are unaware that criticism of a moderator more often than not leads to the award of points.

[Brietta]

IYO

You are mistaken.

Please allow me to direct you to an example of a post which actually does not have a caveat ...
"One inescapable point is that the PP could have given arguido status to the McCanns on the basis they were last to see Madeleine alive."  http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=8465.msg470596#msg470596

[Brietta]

There was nothing wrong in trying to elicit a confession imo, it is after all a tried and tested police procedure in every jurisdiction in the world.  Why do you condemn the Portuguese police for doing something which was their right as investigators ie to get to the truth by every legal avenue possible?

The role of the police is to investigate.  Not to decide who is guilty without benefit of due process and to be pressurised into 'confessing'.
In my opinion that is not law enforcement and one wonders how many criminals have been let off the hook as a result and free to commit further crimes.
Every jurisdiction in the world suffers from miscarriages of justice some of which may very well be as a direct result of overzealous police tactics such as you describe.

Quote
Moita Flores:
Things were different in my time. She would have been under such an attack that before she realised anything, she'd be in jail.
Goncalo Amaral:
Right, but in your time, in our old times, investigation was made with fuel. Now we all move on honey.
http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/Nigel/id173.htm

[misty]

As written by Sergey Malinka earlier this year in relation to Kate....