McCanns appeal to the European Court of Human Rights

[G-Unit]

I suppose the ECHR will be lambasted if they turn the McCanns down too.

[Mr Gray]

I suppose the ECHR will be lambasted if they turn the McCanns down too.

I suppose the ECHR will be lambasted if they support the mccanns

[jassi]

Maybe not but IMO the NZ are not corrupt.  But my interest is in the McCann case being investigated by the PJ initially. So they are the ones in the limelight ATM.

Only for a handful, I fancy.

[G-Unit]

I suppose the ECHR will be lambasted if they support the mccanns

Not by me they won't.

[Mr Gray]

Not by me they won't.

And not by me

[Robittybob1]

Only for a handful, I fancy.

Even if I was on my own, I'd still want to know.

[misty]

http://portugalresident.com/new-%E2%80%9Ccasa-pia-bombshell%E2%80%9D-echr-raps-portuguese-courts-for-violating-defendants-human-rights
Posted by PORTUGALPRESS on June 26, 2018


Former TV presenter Carlos Cruz - who consistently pleaded innocence in the explosive Casa Pia child sex abuse trial - could finally be on his way to clearing his name: the European Court of Human Rights has upheld his complaint against the Court of Appeal, for refusing to analyse new evidence. The ECHR ruling considered complaints three fellow defendants, all of whom received jail terms as their careers were destroyed, but only ruled in favour of Carlos Cruz.

The ruling could lead to Cruz receiving a whole new trial, said initial reports.

This is just the latest bombshell for a case that refuses to ‘go away’, despite all the years dedicated to it, and ‘lurid revelations’ on national media.

Only last week, the ECHR ordered the Portuguese State to pay former Socialist minister Pedro Pedroso €68,000 for failings it found in the way Pedroso had been treated (click here).

Said the ruling, “at the moment of his arrest, there did not exist sufficient proof that Paulo Pedroso had committee crimes of sexual abuse of minors, as related by the youngsters”.

This ruling also saw the court “condemn the fact that defendants did not have the opportunity to confront the testimony of the victims of the crimes in court with what they said during the investigation”, wrote tabloid Correio da Manhã - albeit that judges rejected complaints by all four defendants that they had not received a just trial.

It is still too early today to hear the response of Cruz and fellow defendants João Alberto Ferreira Diniz (the doctor condemned to seven years behind bars), Jorge Marques Leitão Ritto (the UNESCO ambassador condemned to six years and eight months) and Manuel José Abrantes (a former deputy director of Casa Pia, condemned to five years and nine months) but considering the cost of this case which dragged on for years, today’s news is explosive.

Reports coming in stress however that the panel of judges was not ‘unanimous’, in that they only found in favour of one complaint referring to Carlos Cruz.

Cruz, who has always denied the three crimes of sexual abuse for which he was convicted, had hoped for €50,000 in moral damages. He finally went to jail in 2013 (almost three years after being convicted), emerging in 2016 on conditional release.

natasha.donn@algarveresident.com

[faithlilly]

yes...but you understand what the word evidence means

Do you have a case number ? That would be evidence. Or photocopies of paperwork lodged ? That would be evidence.

Do you have any of those Davel?

[Mr Gray]

Do you have a case number ? That would be evidence. Or photocopies of paperwork lodged ? That would be evidence.

Do you have any of those Davel?

a case number would be proof...as I said you do not understand what evidence means

[Robittybob1]

a case number would be proof...as I said you do not understand what evidence means

Well do you have proof or evidence then?

[faithlilly]

a case number would be proof...as I said you do not understand what evidence means

So you have a case number ?

[Mr Gray]

Well do you have proof or evidence then?

There is evidence that the case has been submitted

[Mr Gray]

So you have a case number ?

you asked if I had evidence...have you given up on that now you realised you meant proof

[faithlilly]

you asked if I had evidence...have you given up on that now you realised you meant proof

I can’t believe I have to do but

evidence
ˈɛvɪd(ə)ns/Submit
noun
1.
the available body of facts or information indicating whether a belief or proposition is true or valid.
"the study finds little evidence of overt discrimination"
synonyms:   proof, confirmation, verification, substantiation, corroboration, affirmation, authentication, attestation, documentation;

I think that covers a case number and/ photocopies of papers lodged.

So do you have a case number or paperwork?

[jassi]

Well do you have proof or evidence then?

Now don't be silly