McCanns appeal to the European Court of Human Rights

[The General]

So people who intervene when others are being bullied are not normal in your view?

Real or perceived? We can break moral outrage down if you like?

[jassi]

Check out the General’s posts.  She’s made 4 sanctimonious references to the kids being left alone in her last 200 posts. I lost the will to check back any further but it shows up her hypocritical stance quite nicely.
Here’s one of the 4

“I imagine the same fascination as to why seemingly sane, responsible parents would habitually leave 3 wee ans alone in an unlocked holiday apartment, all for a jolly old time with friends and colleagues”.

She also found the “hilarious” post about the McCanns loving Tapas more than their children a work of unbridled genius.  She clearly thinks she is morally superior to the McCanns.

I don't see any sanctimony there. It seems pretty factual.

[The General]

I don't see any sanctimony there. It seems pretty factual.

I'm sure VS will dredge up some sanctimony from me soon. We all do it. It's displaced moral outrage manifested.
The whole concept has been studied for centuries, concerning how society pivots and steers itself morally through time - abolition of slavery, suffrage, worker's rights, little boys not being permitted to crawl up chimneys any more (alas).
Besides, my posts and opinions vary in proportion to the amount of alcohol consumed and are not to be trusted. But you know that already.

[Venturi Swirl]

I'm sure VS will dredge up some sanctimony from me soon. We all do it. It's displaced moral outrage manifested.
The whole concept has been studied for centuries, concerning how society pivots and steers itself morally through time - abolition of slavery, suffrage, worker's rights, little boys not being permitted to crawl up chimneys any more (alas).
Besides, my posts and opinions vary in proportion to the amount of alcohol consumed and are not to be trusted. But you know that already.

At lest you acknowledge you're a hypocrite.  I'm beginning to like you. 

[Venturi Swirl]

Real or perceived? We can break moral outrage down if you like?

Real or perceived does it make a difference?  You see a man slapping a woman in the street.  She is crying.  Do you intervene or walk on by?  In exactly such a circumstance my dad intervened and got a mouthful - from the woman.  Was my dad not normal?  Was he suffering an attack of moral outrage?  Should he have ignored it?  Probably.  It was none of his business, was it? 

[The General]

At lest you acknowledge you're a hypocrite.  I'm beginning to like you.

I'm no paragon of virtue. I'm a distillation and manifestation of my conditioning. I'm fallible, ignorant, hypocritical, egotistical, immoral, moral, gullible, vulnerable, ignominious, etc, ad nauseum.
....and I already liked you. Takes two to Tango and if there was no light-hearted, moderated jousting to be had here it would be a crappy old place.

[jassi]

I'm sure VS will dredge up some sanctimony from me soon. We all do it. It's displaced moral outrage manifested.
The whole concept has been studied for centuries, concerning how society pivots and steers itself morally through time - abolition of slavery, suffrage, worker's rights, little boys not being permitted to crawl up chimneys any more (alas).
Besides, my posts and opinions vary in proportion to the amount of alcohol consumed and are not to be trusted. But you know that already.

Internet plus alcohol - unwise combination 

[The General]

Real or perceived does it make a difference?  You see a man slapping a woman in the street.  She is crying.  Do you intervene or walk on by?  In exactly such a circumstance my dad intervened and got a mouthful - from the woman.  Was my dad not normal?  Was he suffering an attack of moral outrage?  Should he have ignored it?  Probably.  It was none of his business, was it?

It's a great example - and I've been there, albeit with a different result.

It's a real event, happening in real time. If it's experienced, it's visceral and very real - a 'moral outrage' has been witnessed first hand - psychologists argue that primal instinctive urges come to the fore. It's based on your world view, it's a reaction to the 'moral compass' being impinged upon right in front you.
When 'moral outrage' is perceived, you are considering how you feel out of context. The fight or flight mechanism is diluted, or not triggered, so it's a rational process, again based on your world view / conditioning. The same biological mechanisms are not in play.

feel sorry for your dad now - see, vicarious empathy........

[Venturi Swirl]

It's a great example - and I've been there, albeit with a different result.

It's a real event, happening in real time. If it's experienced, it's visceral and very real - a 'moral outrage' has been witnessed first hand - psychologists argue that primal instinctive urges come to the fore. It's based on your world view, it's a reaction to the 'moral compass' being impinged upon right in front you.
When 'moral outrage' is perceived, you are considering how you feel out of context. The fight or flight mechanism is diluted, or not triggered, so it's a rational process, again based on your world view / conditioning. The same biological mechanisms are not in play.

feel sorry for your dad now - see, vicarious empathy........

Haha, it's always happening to my poor old Dad.  Getting stuck in and getting no thanks for it.  He's witnessed a chef go up in flames, been the only one in the restaurant to go to his aid, only for the chef to die a long a protracted agonising death afterwards.  He's driven a hit and run victim to hospital who bled all over his car and wrongly accused him of running him over in the first place, he's chased off Chinese gangsters in the process of administering death by a thousand cuts to a victim only to have him die in his arms too.  A super her my dad, albeit not a very effective one.  Perhaps that's where I get it from.... 

[The General]

Haha, it's always happening to my poor old Dad.  Getting stuck in and getting no thanks for it.  He's witnessed a chef go up in flames, been the only one in the restaurant to go to his aid, only for the chef to die a long a protracted agonising death afterwards.  He's driven a hit and run victim to hospital who bled all over his car and wrongly accused him of running him over in the first place, he's chased off Chinese gangsters in the process of administering death by a thousand cuts to a victim only to have him die in his arms too.  A super her my dad, albeit not a very effective one.  Perhaps that's where I get it from.... 

Goes by the name of 'lucky'.
That man has had some serious experiences. Fair play to him.

[G-Unit]

This post is in reply to an off-topic post on another thread;

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=10882.msg553960#msg553960

In 2009 the Court adopted a new policy concerning the order in which it deals with cases.
Under this policy, the Court takes into consideration the importance and urgency of the issues raised
when deciding the order in which cases are to be dealt with. Thus, the most serious cases and those
which disclose the existence of widespread problems are singled out (categories I, II and III) and
examined as soon as practicable.
https://www.echr.coe.int/Documents/Stats_understanding_ENG.pdf

Despite the outrage some display about Portugal, it's by no means one of the most complained about. Unlike Italy and Poland it's not in the top ten.
https://www.echr.coe.int/Documents/Stats_pending_month_2019_BIL.pdf

[G-Unit]

The ECHR prioritises those cases brought under Articles 2-5, which cover 'core' rights. They deal with the right to life, the right not to be tortured, not to be enslaved and the right to liberty.

The McCann case is small fry when compared to these cases.

[jassi]

These 56.800 applications are the ones that have been approved to advance to the judicial stage.
Does that mean that there many thousands more still awaiting a decision regarding acceptance/rejection of the case ?

[G-Unit]

These 56.800 applications are the ones that have been approved to advance to the judicial stage.
Does that mean that there many thousands more still awaiting a decision regarding acceptance/rejection of the case ?

That could well be, because they're not recorded until they are allocated. I think the first step is to inform the state involved. The McCann application is described as 'awaiting first judicial decision' which means  allocated to a judicial formation but not yet disposed of or communicated to the Government concerned.

[barrier]

One thing I've oft wondered on how many supposed violations can one go to the echr for or is it limited to one.
eg: suppose its article 8,that is being contested is it this they are limited to once an application is made?