McCanns appeal to the European Court of Human Rights

[Mr Gray]

OK  No problems, so that whole paper was just about those two articles!

Absolutely... That's, why the link is so relevant.  If you read the cases it's possible to understand just how the ECHR reaches, a decision between 10 and, 8.....and that's, what I base my opinion on. 


37 pages on the right to freedom of speech vs the right to reputation

[Venturi Swirl]

The UK law doesn't apply. Chill and accept that fact.

I’m totally chilled and long ago accepted that Portugal’s laws and their application seem somewhat Kafkaesque in nature. 

[The General]

I’m totally chilled and long ago accepted that Portugal’s laws and their application seem somewhat Kafkaesque in nature.

Whereas our current constitutional crisis in the UK is Pythonesque.

[Mr Gray]

Whereas our current constitutional crisis in the UK is Pythonesque.

never mind the police in portugal...the prime minister was jailed for 9 months

[Venturi Swirl]

Whereas our current constitutional crisis in the UK is Pythonesque.

And the present government reminiscent of the National Socialists circa 1933

[The General]

And the present government reminiscent of the National Socialists circa 1933

Now you're talking. I have an unhealthy interest in this period of European history, reaching back to Bismarck.

[Brietta]

Topic please.

[Robittybob1]

"ARTICLE 10
Freedom of expression
1. Everyone has the right to freedom of expression. This right
shall include freedom to hold opinions and to receive and impart
information and ideas without interference by public authority
and regardless of frontiers. This Article shall not prevent States
from requiring the licensing of broadcasting, television or cinema
enterprises.
2. The exercise of these freedoms, since it carries with it
duties and responsibilities, may be subject to such formalities,
conditions, restrictions or penalties as are prescribed by law and
are necessary in a democratic society, in the interests of national
security, territorial integrity or public safety, for the prevention
of disorder or crime, for the protection of health or morals, for
the protection of the reputation or rights of others, for preventing
the disclosure of information received in confidence, or for
maintaining the authority and impartiality of the judiciary."

ARTICLE 8
Right to respect for private and family life
1. Everyone has the right to respect for his private and family
life, his home and his correspondence.
2. There shall be no interference by a public authority with the
exercise of this right except such as is in accordance with the
law and is necessary in a democratic society in the interests of
national security, public safety or the economic well-being of the
country, for the prevention of disorder or crime, for the protection
of health or morals, or for the protection of the rights and freedoms
of others."

Text from echr.coe.int/Documents/Convention_ENG.pdf

Thanks Davel. 

[Miss Taken Identity]

Whereas our current constitutional crisis in the UK is Pythonesque.

with a ' molto piccolo' touch of Benny Hill? (I cannot believe this was classed as comedy

"ARTICLE 10
Freedom of expression
1. Everyone has the right to freedom of expression. This right
shall include freedom to hold opinions and to receive and impart
information and ideas without interference by public authority
and regardless of frontiers. This Article shall not prevent States
from requiring the licensing of broadcasting, television or cinema
enterprises.
2. The exercise of these freedoms, since it carries with it
duties and responsibilities, may be subject to such formalities,
conditions, restrictions or penalties as are prescribed by law and
are necessary in a democratic society, in the interests of national
security, territorial integrity or public safety, for the prevention
of disorder or crime, for the protection of health or morals, for
the protection of the reputation or rights of others, for preventing
the disclosure of information received in confidence, or for
maintaining the authority and impartiality of the judiciary."

Enbolden which part applies to McCanns rights?

ARTICLE 8
Right to respect for private and family life
1. Everyone has the right to respect for his private and family
life, his home and his correspondence.
2. There shall be no interference by a public authority with the
exercise of this right except such as is in accordance with the
law and is necessary in a democratic society in the interests of
national security, public safety or the economic well-being of the
country, for the prevention of disorder or crime, for the protection
of health or morals, or for the protection of the rights and freedoms
of others."

Text from echr.coe.int/Documents/Convention_ENG.pdf

Thanks Davel. 

)

enbolden, which part  refers to the McCanns. They publicised their events in advance, did photoshoots, campaigned for money,  under the claim of an unsubstanciated story about an abductor/s,. When some one else came along with a different theory, they got all upset and turned to the law. the law was used and the conclusion was made very clear.

[Mr Gray]

with a ' molto piccolo' touch of Benny Hill? (I cannot believe this was classed as comedy)

enbolden, which part  refers to the McCanns. They publicised their events in advance, did photoshoots, campaigned for money,  under the claim of an unsubstanciated story about an abductor/s,. When some one else came along with a different theory, they got all upset and turned to the law. the law was used and the conclusion was made very clear.

If you read some of the cases you will understand

[Miss Taken Identity]

If you read some of the cases you will understand

I understand perfectly well.  I understand that all cases are judged on merit and quality of argument.(they are all different) back to you. In a CIVIL case what parts embolden do you identify as relevent to the McCANNS claims?

[Mr Gray]

I understand perfectly well.  I understand that all cases are judged on merit and quality of argument.(they are all different) back to you. In a CIVIL case what parts embolden do you identify as relevent to the McCANNS claims?

There is far more to article 8 than the small portion you have quoted.  It's all been discussed on this thread... Have, a, read back

[Robittybob1]

There is far more to article 8 than the small portion you have quoted.  It's all been discussed on this thread... Have, a, read back

It only a mere 228 pages ATM.

[Mr Gray]

It only a mere 228 pages ATM.

Precisely... It's all there and pointless going over the same points again and again

[Miss Taken Identity]

Precisely... It's all there and pointless going over the same points again and again

Yes, I am aware of those articles along with others.

There is no point in trying to beat a dead horse into submission; by posting those two paragraphs to make a point, then renaging when asked to identify which parts are relevent to the McCann case; you shy away.

Here are the facts which some die hard supporters may not want to read:

ECHR will NOT offer compensation to McCanns
.........Will NOT sent Amaral to prison
.........will NOT declare the McCanns innocent of anything - as no charges of a crime have been submitted
.........will NOT order the destruction of Portugual and a firing squad for the investigating PJ.

Something the UK press want to start rethinking their headlines.