McCanns appeal to the European Court of Human Rights

[G-Unit]

Thats your opinion and youve not provided anything to support it. The ECHR ruling says the book had a factual basis. In the guidelines about how the court decides on the balance between articles 8 and 10 the ECHR says it looks at the veracity of the claim. Are you aware that the ECHR do not question the facts,....they would assume the proven facts are in fact proven. in truth Amaarls claims are based on lies...not facts.

In your opinion.

[Mr Gray]

In your opinion.

it isnt opinion its fact. to state the dog alerted to cadaver odour ...and confirm it as a fact...as the files do..is a blatant lie

[Mr Gray]

If a criminal case had been brought to court, it would have been shot down. Even the GNR stated that they had moved furniture to make sure that she wasn't simply hiding somewhere. That, too, is in the files.

On what basis was it ever included in the files as a proven fact. do you realise that the ECHR remit is not to question the facts in the files. can you name another country that acts in this bizarre way

[Mr Gray]

If a criminal case had been brought to court, it would have been shot down. Even the GNR stated that they had moved furniture to make sure that she wasn't simply hiding somewhere. That, too, is in the files.

you say it would have been shot down...why would it be shot own...because it isnt true...because its a lie

[Mr Gray]

A point, though, is that people in some quarters still choose to harp on that the fact that the judges ruled that cadaver odour was therefore a "proven fact", merrily disregarding the fact that all it meant was that reports to that effect were in the files, which was all the judge in the civil case needed to ascertain.

Could you explain why those particular points in the files were picked out and treated as proven facts....and staements of the dog experts ignored

[Mr Gray]

The Cipriano case was a CRIMINAL one.... sadly with no real defense. A state-appointed (?) defense lawyer who had (wrongly) assumed that the case would be thrown out and either because there was no money or because there was little time, no countering evidence had been gathered to disprove the so-called facts. The whole thing was a shambles, IMO. Public opinion had been already whipped into a frenzy and - in some video clips - appeared ready to lynch the Ciprianos. Three guesses whom by.

The McCann case was a CIVIL trial. Totally different.

No need for caps I understand the difference.  as you claim to understand .....could you tell us when and how these proven facts are arrived at..and if any other country has  asimilar system

[G-Unit]

it isnt opinion its fact. to state the dog alerted to cadaver odour ...and confirm it as a fact...as the files do..is a blatant lie

It is a fact that a dog trained to alert to cadaver odour alerted to places and things associated to the McCanns and nowhere else.

[Mr Gray]

It is a fact that a dog trained to alert to cadaver odour alerted to places and things associated to the McCanns and nowhere else.

It's a proven fact that Harrison said Grime explained to the PJ that no inferences could be drawn from the alerts.
Interesting to see the highly regarded expert diver in the NB case thrown off the experts list....

[Venturi Swirl]

In your opinion.

In your opinion are Amaral’s claims based on facts?  Please list the facts upon which his claims are based.

[Mr Gray]

It is a fact that a dog trained to alert to cadaver odour alerted to places and things associated to the McCanns and nowhere else.

it is not a proven fact that the dog alerted to cadaver odour...so why do the PJ say it is.....and when and by whom w as it proven. Amarals thesis is based on lies...that is very easy to prove

[G-Unit]

In your opinion are Amaral’s claims based on facts?  Please list the facts upon which his claims are based.

The judge of the first instance said;

80. The facts related to the criminal investigation of Madeleine McCann's disappearance that the defendant Goncalo Amaral refers in the book, in an interview with the newspaper Correio da Manha and in the documentary are mostly facts that occurred and are documented in this investigation (clauses 27 and 28 of the instruction basis) .
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=6307.0

[Eleanor]

It is a fact that a dog trained to alert to cadaver odour alerted to places and things associated to the McCanns and nowhere else.

Not to forget that Eddie was first trained to alert to blood, quite some time before Grime tried to change his purpose.

[Eleanor]

I honestly believed that someone associated with The ECHR, even if only a researcher would have looked at the entire Case and informed The Judges.

I still don't understand why this didn't happen.

[G-Unit]

Not to forget that Eddie was first trained to alert to blood, quite some time before Grime tried to change his purpose.

Is that not a myth?

[Venturi Swirl]

The judge of the first instance said;

80. The facts related to the criminal investigation of Madeleine McCann's disappearance that the defendant Goncalo Amaral refers in the book, in an interview with the newspaper Correio da Manha and in the documentary are mostly facts that occurred and are documented in this investigation (clauses 27 and 28 of the instruction basis) .
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=6307.0

I was asking for YOUR opinion, not the PT judiciary (who seem quite happy that facts don’t need to be true or proven).