McCanns appeal to the European Court of Human Rights

[Venturi Swirl]

Is that not a myth?

No.  How else do you explain the alert to the sex tissue in HdlG?  Was it actually used on a cadaver?

[Eleanor]

Is that not a myth?

No.  Definitely Not.  Eddie was originally trained as a Victim Recovery Dog.  That's what VRD means.  Victims of accidents are found by the smell of Blood.  And they ain't all dead.

So you can put that one to bed.

[Mr Gray]

The judge of the first instance said;

80. The facts related to the criminal investigation of Madeleine McCann's disappearance that the defendant Goncalo Amaral refers in the book, in an interview with the newspaper Correio da Manha and in the documentary are mostly facts that occurred and are documented in this investigation (clauses 27 and 28 of the instruction basis) .
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=6307.0

We know that..but who drew up the proven facts..and on what basis were they considered proven...

[Carana]

Unfortunately, what is considered legally permissible is not always what one may consider morally right.

[Mr Gray]

Unfortunately, what is considered legally permissible is not always what one may consider morally right.

For all the replies no one seems to be able to answer the question.
On what basis was the ref to alerts put in proven facts when real facts ..no inference can be drawn from the alerts ...was left out

[Mr Gray]

I'm not interested what a self confessed troll on a forum thinks..just to make it clear

[Wonderfulspam]

I'm not interested what a self confessed troll on a forum thinks..just to make it clear

Well, I've no interest in discussing the verdict of the ECHR either. I've accepted their decision & moved on.
I understand the verdict still grates some people however. I can take comfort in that.

[Wonderfulspam]

Unfortunately, what is considered legally permissible is not always what one may consider morally right.

But it was just like having dinner in your back garden...

[G-Unit]

No.  Definitely Not.  Eddie was originally trained as a Victim Recovery Dog.  That's what VRD means.  Victims of accidents are found by the smell of Blood.  And they ain't all dead.

So you can put that one to bed.

Victim recovery dogs are trained to search for and detect human remains
https://www.northamptonchron.co.uk/news/crime/northamptonshire-polices-first-ever-victim-recovery-dog-joins-the-team-3214359

[Carana]

For all the replies no one seems to be able to answer the question.
On what basis was the ref to alerts put in proven facts when real facts ..no inference can be drawn from the alerts ...was left out

Was that one of the points raised by the McCanns or not?

[Eleanor]

Victim recovery dogs are trained to search for and detect human remains
https://www.northamptonchron.co.uk/news/crime/northamptonshire-polices-first-ever-victim-recovery-dog-joins-the-team-3214359

This begs the question as to why Martin Grime felt the need to Enhance Eddie.  Have you any opinions on that?

[Mr Gray]

Was that one of the points raised by the McCanns or not?

Gerry raised it in the Court of the first instance

[Mr Gray]

Victim recovery dogs are trained to search for and detect human remains
https://www.northamptonchron.co.uk/news/crime/northamptonshire-polices-first-ever-victim-recovery-dog-joins-the-team-3214359

We all know that....refer to what Harrison said re the alerts in Luz

It seems Eddie was detecting much in the way of human remains...one body in 5 years
so Grime and Harrison came up with another role..remnant scent...it was only to supply intelligence but Grime decided it could be used as evidence..all from the white paper

[Carana]

Gerry raised it in the Court of the first instance

In the context of a civil trial.

[Carana]

Victim recovery dogs are trained to search for and detect human remains
https://www.northamptonchron.co.uk/news/crime/northamptonshire-polices-first-ever-victim-recovery-dog-joins-the-team-3214359

Yes, but AFAIK the concept of "human remains" (or even animal remains within a dog's training parameters) doesn't necessarily mean that someone died.

For some reason, every thread ends up arguing about the dogs.