McCanns appeal to the European Court of Human Rights

[Venturi Swirl]

Who knows? All I know is that UK police couldn't investigate in Portugal and the PJ weren't investigating the story according toAmaral.

1) Was Amaral not bound by judicial secrecy not to discuss ongoing investigations?  2) Is Amaral an honest interviewee?

[Venturi Swirl]

Who knows? All I know is that UK police couldn't investigate in Portugal and the PJ weren't investigating the story according toAmaral.

The journalist who wrote the article knows.  He refers to a police source.  The NOTW famously had policemen on their payroll.  Have you not read Leveson? Or any of the myriad articles on the subject?  I guess you don't believe any of those articles either, only when it suits you to. 

[Eleanor]

For me Martin Grime is to blame for most of this.
From what Grime said the PJ believed they were the only dogs of their type in th world..has solved countless..around 200 ....crimes...had never been wrong. no wonder they regarded the alert to cadaver faced with all that BS.

The  truth was that Harrison and Grime were carrying out  a trial using the alerts asi ntelligence...its in grimes white pape. the truth was there was no 100% record...no 200 solved cases...no countless crimes solved.

Martin Grime was pursuing his own agenda which didn't have much to do with The Truth.  He was a chancer who seems have profited somewhat in America.

I can't be bothered to go into this anymore.  We all know what happened in Jersey.

[G-Unit]

1) Was Amaral not bound by judicial secrecy not to discuss ongoing investigations?  2) Is Amaral an honest interviewee?

UK investigations? That reminds me of Carter Ruck pretending that an injunction granted in Portugal applied world-wide.
https://file.wikileaks.org/file/carter-ruck-mccann.pdf

[Venturi Swirl]

UK investigations? That reminds me of Carter Ruck pretending that an injunction granted in Portugal applied world-wide.
https://file.wikileaks.org/file/carter-ruck-mccann.pdf

What?  The claim is that the English police sent the info to the PJ, for THEM to investigate, so it should have been a PJ investigation,  which would have meant Amaral would have been bound by judicial secrecy, no?

[G-Unit]

What?  The claim is that the English police sent the info to the PJ, for THEM to investigate, so it should have been a PJ investigation,  which would have meant Amaral would have been bound by judicial secrecy, no?

There's no evidence that the PJ were given the information, whatever the media claimed.

[Venturi Swirl]

There's no evidence that the PJ were given the information, whatever the media claimed.

Try and think logically.  You accept the existence of this email, one that went to one of the highest High Ups in the land, now explain why you think the English police would not bother passing the information on to the PJ.

[Brietta]

What?  The claim is that the English police sent the info to the PJ, for THEM to investigate, so it should have been a PJ investigation,  which would have meant Amaral would have been bound by judicial secrecy, no?

He should have been charged and prosecuted.  But they did the next best thing when they totally humiliated him.  Not only was he sacked from the case - he was demoted and transferred.  A very bitter pill to swallow for which he blamed the McCanns and which has stoked a vendetta against them which he will take with him to the grave.

I always thought he jumped before he was pushed because of the torture case - I now think that metaphorically having his epaulettes ripped off and his sabre broken, left him with no alternative.

He's certainly had an interesting time in the train crash of his life.  Cristovao managed to pen a book which didn't entail spending years in the libel courts (which was just as well because he wouldn't have had the time between his hearings in the criminal courts) but Amaral wasn't bright enough to write a book which wouldn't arrive ultimately at the ECHR.
But it has all gone terribly sour for him yet again particularly as he seems to be a lone voice in his latest prank.

[Brietta]

There's no evidence that the PJ were given the information, whatever the media claimed.

There's no evidence for any of Amaral's claims against the McCanns.  You know this do you not.  And you do know that Calpol is an analgesic and not a sedative.

[G-Unit]

Try and think logically.  You accept the existence of this email, one that went to one of the highest High Ups in the land, now explain why you think the English police would not bother passing the information on to the PJ.

It all depends on the timeline. The story was leaked on 1st October, but when was the email received? When was it passed to the police? Was there time to involve the PJ? There's no evidence that the PJ were informed.

[Venturi Swirl]

It all depends on the timeline. The story was leaked on 1st October, but when was the email received? When was it passed to the police? Was there time to involve the PJ? There's no evidence that the PJ were informed.

What do you mean “was there time to involve the PJ”?  Why would there not have been time?  Do you accept that the files are incomplete, or only when it suits you?   If the PJ were informed but did nothing save dismiss it without further action what would you expect to see in files released to the public?  Is every single lead passed to the PJ contained in the files?

[Mr Gray]

back on topic..
the Mccanns lost at the ECHR because the PJ incorrectly decided the alerts proved cadaver odour in %a. So incompetence and stupidity on behalf of the PJ was at the heart of the decision and also caused tehm to believe as a fact maddie died in the apartment.

[G-Unit]

What do you mean “was there time to involve the PJ”?  Why would there not have been time?  Do you accept that the files are incomplete, or only when it suits you?   If the PJ were informed but did nothing save dismiss it without further action what would you expect to see in files released to the public?  Is every single lead passed to the PJ contained in the files?

Without knowing when the email was received there's no way of knowing when it was passed to the UK police. Do you have any reason to think it was a while before the leak took place? I see the 'incomplete files' as similar to the 'translation errors'; handy to explain the inexplicable but not reliable at all.

[G-Unit]

back on topic..
the Mccanns lost at the ECHR because the PJ incorrectly decided the alerts proved cadaver odour in %a. So incompetence and stupidity on behalf of the PJ was at the heart of the decision and also caused tehm to believe as a fact maddie died in the apartment.

The McCanns lost at the ECHR because Portugal didn't breach their human rights.

[Venturi Swirl]

Without knowing when the email was received there's no way of knowing when it was passed to the UK police. Do you have any reason to think it was a while before the leak took place? I see the 'incomplete files' as similar to the 'translation errors'; handy to explain the inexplicable but not reliable at all.

You haven’t answered the question.  Why would time have run out prior to October 2007 for the English police to pass this information on to the PJ?  Do you refuse to accept that the files are incomplete then? Because we know (the PJ told us) there were hundreds if not thousands  of sightings and tip offs about Madeleine so where are they all, if not filed in the wastepaper basket?  Is the only explanation you will accept is that for some inexplicable reason the English police simply didn’t bother passing on a tip off from Clarence House to the PJ?