http://www.cmjornal.xl.pt/detalhe/noticias/exclusivo-cm/maddie-judiciaria-investiga-pista-de-suspeito-mortoIt is the suspect number one, an ex-employee of the Ocean Club who was conflictingly dismissed (before the disappearance of Madeleine). Triangulation showed he was in PDL with no motive to be there, though he lived in Lagos. He died in 2009 in a tractor accident that hasn't been yet clarified. He was 40. His widow has been interviewed by the PJ in order to determine where he concealed the body.
That's it I'm afraid. Details to follow...
It is the suspect number one, an ex-employee of the Ocean Club who was conflictingly dismissed (before the disappearance of Madeleine). Triangulation showed he was in PDL with no motive to be there, though he lived in Lagos. He died in 2009 in a tractor accident that hasn't been yet clarified. He was 40. His widow has been interviewed by the PJ in order to determine where he concealed the body.
This is what I heard on CdM TV.
This story has more holes than a slice of Swiss cheese.It is presented as the reason why the MP reopened the case !
It is the suspect number one, an ex-employee of the Ocean Club who was conflictingly dismissed (before the disappearance of Madeleine). Triangulation showed he was in PDL with no motive to be there, though he lived in Lagos. He died in 2009 in a tractor accident that hasn't been yet clarified. He was 40. His widow has been interviewed by the PJ in order to determine where he concealed the body.
This is what I heard on CdM TV.
Why would he snatch a child. Also he could have been in PDL for any reasons, if he had made friends there. Why would his widow know where the body was?
Very odd. BUT you never know what is the truth anymore.
Why would his widow know where the body was?The widow would obviously ignore where the body is, but she could know what her husband did on that night, where he went, etc.
If true ? that blows amaral's theory out the window along with the supposed fridge..
yes but if true it doesn't sound good for Madeleine.
The police wouldn't have needed big appeal if they thought it was an ex employee
Sadly this doesn't appear to have occurred to Goncalo Amaral.
http://www.cmjornal.xl.pt/detalhe/noticias/nacional/portugal/morre-em-acidente-de-trator-em-braga
Is it this news?
the article I posted is a report on a man being killed in a tractor accident
Any unusual behaviour is of course first looked into.
I wonder if this is the guy i posted about the laundry worker stephen carpenter talks about in his statement .the worker with the garage with bed and toys in ?
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/STEPHEN-CARPENTER.htm
Maybe not, that guy is described as 40-45 years old and the suspect guy lived in Lagos.
I've been searching for the near 40 years old killed in a tractor accident in 2009 but nothing comes out.. except one guy who was not driving the tractor, killed in a car by tractor and he was 47
http://expresso.sapo.pt/famalicaoacidente-homem-morre-debaixo-de-tractor=f550094
maybe save your time and not go on wild goose chases? Even if you found the story, what would it mean? Ie whats the point?
maybe save your time and not go on wild goose chases? Even if you found the story, what would it mean? Ie whats the point?
I am interested to see if he looks like any of the e-fits
why the negative comment - it is not doing you any harm - if it doesn't interest you just ignore it surely.
It's just a bit funny that you think you're going to be the one to solve the mystery of the disappearance of Madeleine McCann by doing internet searches on 40-year-old Portuguese men who died in tractor accidents.
where did I say I was searching?
Maybe not, that guy is described as 40-45 years old and the suspect guy lived in Lagos.
I've been searching for the near 40 years old killed in a tractor accident in 2009 but nothing comes out.. except one guy who was not driving the tractor, killed in a car by tractor and he was 47
http://expresso.sapo.pt/famalicaoacidente-homem-morre-debaixo-de-tractor=f550094
It's just a bit funny that you think you're going to be the one to solve the mystery of the disappearance of Madeleine McCann by doing internet searches on 40-year-old Portuguese men who died in tractor accidents....
Because, basically, the same point can be made to you too: armchair detectives who think you can whip up all the "facts" by banging away on a keyboard for hours of your life, and then work out exactly what order to put them in.
The lol is because you are unable to see the laughable side of someone dedicating his days to doing internet searches for Portuguese tractor accidents as a way of solving the Mystery of Madeleine McCann.
I see you are quoting yourself now - time for another edit.
I suppose taking the piss out of people is a life.
maybe there are comedy forums that would appreciate your humour, rather than a forum about a missing child.
Dear imustpointout, you know what my initial response on reading that is? I think you are in need of a cup of tea. If you're near a kettle, you really must treat yourself to one.
You just all blend into each other?{)(**
Plus a valium and a good dollop of peptobismol.......for good measure, enough gut busting on here this morning, oh the indignation attacks derisory remarks complaints etc.....bet this new lead is a red herring anyway...seen it all before...zzz back laterWhat's worrying is it seems to be the only lead.
What's worrying is it seems to be the only lead.
Yes, but,why didn't Amaral and his merry men look into this? Sacked employees should always be looked at. And actually, I thought they had been.
But if this story is true then this man could have sold Madeleine, if he was hard up after losing his job.
I would also like to know what job he did at The Ocean Club. Did he have access to keys for burglaries, and other stuff?
BONG. As yet another clanger by Amaral is uncovered.
Montclair yesterday
"
Despite what you think, Correio da Manhã has always been the best at reporting on the case."
8)--))?{)(** 8(>(( ?{)(**
What's worrying is it seems to be the only lead.
What's worrying is it seems to be the only lead.
The only lead that The PJ appear to have. Scotland Yard might be a different story. But no one is leaking that.
The only lead that The PJ appear to have. Scotland Yard might be a different story. But no one is leaking that.
that's the difference in professionalism 8((()*/
The Newspapers haven't changed much since the shocking lies of 2007 have they? 8()(((@#
The only lead that The PJ appear to have. Scotland Yard might be a different story. But no one is leaking that.
How would we know how many leads they have?
Well, they ain't telling, are they. Unlike the leaky Portuguese system. You might think that Portugal would have learned something. But apparently not.
I find it interesting that the PJ have a new lead yet people on here still wish to dig the knife in. It's a new lead, why aren't you happy?
At this point of time when there is also secrecy applied to this case, we also don't know what the PJ have or is working on..
Really? Good heavens. Just how short is your memory span?
What you mean by this?
PJ doesn't equal Amaral, I don't believe the whole PJ force is disgraceful. I believe this new team is professional and up to the task..
We don't know what they are working on but analysing phone usage on May3 is good enough for the beginning and reinterviewing the staff and taking it on from the scratch.
We have to be grateful for this!
It was reported by a tabloid of worst sort.. enough to be cautious not to believe in it..
"But he could also have committed the kidnap as a form of retaliation against the Ocean Club."
I got fired from my workplace & strangely enough kidnapping a child as a form of retaliation never even entered my mind.
"But he could also have committed the kidnap as a form of retaliation against the Ocean Club."
I got fired from my workplace & strangely enough kidnapping a child as a form of retaliation never even entered my mind.
I do so agree with you. It's the leaking that bothers me. This is what caused most of the problems in the first place. And now they are at it again.
Just who do you think is doing this?
It was written by three journalists, including a senior reporter who recently gave evidence at the ongoing libel trial the McCanns brought against Goncalo Amaral over a controversial July 2008 book he wrote falsely accusing them of faking their daughter's abduction to cover up her death
Well, maybe the leak did not come from the PJ but from people they questioned in relation with this lead.
So maybe it came from Amaral, since he is in good relations with the journalist who wrote it?
I very much doubt that his wife has had anything to say about it as she is likely to be implicated.
Amaral? How would he know? And the journalists must have got it from somewhere before they could tell him.
http://www.anorak.co.uk/372861/madeleine-mccann/madeleine-mccann-death-by-tractor.html/So we are allowed to quote Anorak now, are we?
What's worrying is it seems to be the only lead.Nah!
What's worrying is it seems to be the only lead.
No, they haven't. But it is very interesting that like Hewlett, this one is dead. But I suppose that The PJ had to save face somehow.And Guilhermino Encarnação, a joint national director, responsible for the Directory of Faro. It was reported by Joana Morais that he was dead too
Actually, I am just appalled by the fact that Amaral did nothing about what might have been a good lead.
This just gets worse as time goes by.
And Guilhermino Encarnação, a joint national director, responsible for the Directory of Faro. It was reported by Joana Morais that he was dead too
Really? I thought that was always the first recourse of every disgruntled employee? Kidnap child, if that doesn't work, unfair dismissal tribunal.
well mobile phone records have been mentioned
Even that, if they found his mobile phone so what! They are claiming the info on this guy made the officials reopen the case.
So, what they had on him to persuade the officials it is worth investigating further, that is the question!
If at all this whole story is not a lie.
What you mean by this?
PJ doesn't equal Amaral, I don't believe the whole PJ force is disgraceful. I believe this new team is professional and up to the task..
We don't know what they are working on but analysing phone usage on May3 is good enough for the beginning and reinterviewing the staff and taking it on from the scratch.
We have to be grateful for this!
And Guilhermino Encarnação, a joint national director, responsible for the Directory of Faro. It was reported by Joana Morais that he was dead too
Wasn't there a female police officer under him who was responsible for destroying of evidence of pedophiles and not passing it to him and he got the blame for it? An very old story before Madeleine went missing?
McCanns aware of hotel suspect
A source close to Madeleine McCann's parents has told ITV News that they are "aware" Portuguese police are investigating the possibility a former employee at the hotel in Praia de Luz where the family were staying may have kidnapped her.
http://www.itv.com/news/story/2013-10-30/missing-madeleine-mccann-ocean-club-praia-da-luz-portugal/
I have never heard of that. And I don't think that there were ever any women PJ Officers in Portimao. Things might have been a bit different if there had been.
I knew I had seen this crap before. Seems CdM and Anjos have been digging deep to spread their rubbish.
Changed a few details, to suit their agenda.
October 2007 (Days 151-181)
Monday 01 October 2007
A source close to the McCanns said police were investigating claims that a disgruntled ex-employee from the Ocean Club, where the family was staying, may have been involved in Madeleine's abduction. A tip-off claiming that a former Ocean Club employee was involved in Madeleine's disappearance was sent to the Prince of Wales's official website, and passed to police.
It alleged that a maid who used to work at the Mark Warner resort kidnapped Madeleine in revenge for being fired. Police have discovered the woman identified does exist and that the tip-off came from an email address registered in the Iberian peninsula.
You would have thought the Daily Mail would have remembered, printing it.
http://www.mccannfiles.com/id12.html
This was reported in May 2007, in early days around the days Madeleine disappeared. I remember it quite well.. the guy was accused of doing it himself when actually it wasn't him at all.. he got ill from that..
So is it crap from CdM?
Or a genuine line of enquiry?
Did it really re-open the case that has been closed for years in Portugal?
I knew I had seen this crap before. Seems CdM and Anjos have been digging deep to spread their rubbish.
Changed a few details, to suit their agenda.
October 2007 (Days 151-181)
Monday 01 October 2007
A source close to the McCanns said police were investigating claims that a disgruntled ex-employee from the Ocean Club, where the family was staying, may have been involved in Madeleine's abduction. A tip-off claiming that a former Ocean Club employee was involved in Madeleine's disappearance was sent to the Prince of Wales's official website, and passed to police.
It alleged that a maid who used to work at the Mark Warner resort kidnapped Madeleine in revenge for being fired. Police have discovered the woman identified does exist and that the tip-off came from an email address registered in the Iberian peninsula.
You would have thought the Daily Mail would have remembered, printing it.
http://www.mccannfiles.com/id12.html
I'd say crap from CdM.
What reliable sauce (deliberate spelling, before the grammar police arrive), have we had? 00000000000000000
So is it crap from CdM?
Or a genuine line of enquiry?
Did it really re-open the case that has been closed for years in Portugal?
Montclair yesterday
"
Despite what you think, Correio da Manhã has always been the best at reporting on the case."
Look now, The PJ were never going to admit that it was Scotland Yard who were responsible for reopening the investigation.
So any old shite would do.
So is it crap from CdM?
Or a genuine line of enquiry?
Did it really re-open the case that has been closed for years in Portugal?
repeat
Cdm responsible
or PJ
you believe the current PJ review team would do that?
Cdm responsible
So how did CDM get this information..is the PJ leaking already?
Definitely agree with you here Sadie. It had to happen eventally 8(0(*It has been happening all the time. Throughout the period that Madeleine was missing. Just a ploy to waste the Mccanns private Investigators time and resourses and to try and waste the search fund money
Maybe not, that guy is described as 40-45 years old and the suspect guy lived in Lagos.
I've been searching for the near 40 years old killed in a tractor accident in 2009 but nothing comes out.. except one guy who was not driving the tractor, killed in a car by tractor and he was 47
http://expresso.sapo.pt/famalicaoacidente-homem-morre-debaixo-de-tractor=f550094
15 min drive away he lives and he parks by murats (amaral was convinced at first if she was taken he would have gone murats route )
SC: I thought, ohhh...its worth mentioning this and that's the reason I mentioned it in my statement.
DCF: Fine, now (inaudible) describe the Portuguese man, the laundry man to me, yes'
SC: Yes.
I am certain that I read about this at the beginning, which (inaudible)' I think that afterwards, and afterwards coincides with the fact that he was the man from the laundry and of the van parked there, because as i have already explained, we were here in a small street here above which linked to the main road and to everything beside here on top, the rest was all pathways and I remember that on two or three occasions I thought...this is a dead end road, the van was parked there, I never saw anyone and more than once assumed that it would be cleaning staff and only this thought coincided with the presence of the man from the laundry, and if there were any reply to be made in relation to the link between the van parked there and the laundry man.
DCF: Yes.
SC: Murat here, I think and the laundry thing here.
DCF: Yes
SC: And I would once again give the reason why I mentioned the subject..
DCF: Of what age did the laundry man appear to be'
SC: Humm, I do not remember clearly what I said, but obviously at times Europeans appear older than they are, because of
DCF...(inaudible) the sun.
SC: Yes with the sun, that was what I said in the statement (inaudible).
DCF: I am going to try to locate the first pages where it was mentioned, but there is no description.
SC: Forty five to fifty years old, I think.
It is possible they are talking about this 'tractor suspect' but also 'this tractor suspect' is an immigrant from Cape Verde. I guess this mean he is a black guy.. and the guy is dead.. I think the whole story stinks.. pinging it on the immigrant guy who cannot speak!
It is possible they are talking about this 'tractor suspect' but also 'this tractor suspect' is an immigrant from Cape Verde. I guess this mean he is a black guy.. and the guy is dead.. I think the whole story stinks.. pinging it on the immigrant guy who cannot speak!
You think the story stinks do you..tell it to the pj who came up with this tractor guy.
where does "from Cape Verde" come from?
CdM today.
The Cape Verdean immigrant who is suspected of having kidnapped Maddie received a pardon from the President of the Republic, Jorge Sampaio, and was not expelled from the country in 1996, as determined justice.
The man, who was then 26, was indicted in a case of theft. The additional penalty would be expulsion from our country to your home country: Cape Verde. Around Christmas and then as was normal in the 90's, the then President of the Republic chose a number of citizens who have just benefited from judicial pardons.
According to the CM found the immigrant was then to Lagos, where he eventually build their lives with his wife, a Portuguese national. In 2007, around the time of the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, the man had been fired from the restaurant at Ocean Club resort in Praia da Luz had motive for the abduction and means to do so. He knew that the girl's parents and friends dined late, even knew the routines "lookout" to rooms.
Police still believe that although the goal was never to kill Maddie, the truth is that something may have escaped the control of the suspect. Scared all the media attention the case, you may have been forced to 'silence' the child. The Judiciary is trying to figure out what will be done to the corpse.
The death of this man, in 2009 in a tractor accident, now comes shuffling research. It is only recently that the track was then after your phone has been located near the village at the time of the abduction. The antennas aware of its location next to the apartment. The PJ has heard the family to understand the behavior of the suspect in the days immediately following. Also try to understand the places that have been and where you have hidden the child, then three years.
Is the title of this thread deliberately inflammatory? This man is hardly "in the frame", he's one line of investigation.
Is the title of this thread deliberately inflammatory? This man is hardly "in the frame", he's one line of investigation.
He is the reason the AG has reopened the case.
But hardly "in the frame"
As of today he us the PJ main suspect which puts him very decidedly "in the frame".
He's being investigated.
I read today that the McCanns are calling this latest discovery that tractorman could have been involved in Madeleines abduction as pure speculation. No surprises there then since if Madeleine is dead the cash cow disintegrates.
Quote from: AnneGuedes on Today at 10:45:40 AMThis connection between the supposed suspect number one is almost certainly disinformation.
It is the suspect number one, an ex-employee of the Ocean Club who was conflictingly dismissed (before the disappearance of Madeleine). Triangulation showed he was in PDL with no motive to be there, though he lived in Lagos. He died in 2009 in a tractor accident that hasn't been yet clarified. He was 40. His widow has been interviewed by the PJ in order to determine where he concealed the body.
This is what I heard on CdM TV.
I read today that the McCanns are calling this latest discovery that tractorman could have been involved in Madeleines abduction as pure speculation. No surprises there then since if Madeleine is dead the cash cow disintegrates.That is a foul comment, Angelo
But on the bright side it would get them off the hook!!
That is truly horrible, Angelo. You are talking about a child's life.
This gentleman was apparently from Cape Verde. As an African, he would not fit with any of the eye witness sightings or the efits that have been released.
Look to the McCanns. It wasn't me who callously abandoned her to her fate.
Look to the McCanns. It wasn't me who callously abandoned her to her fate.
Callously abandoned her ?
Cape Verde is a Portuguese colony. Nobody can be sure what race he was until his details are released.
And you would call their child neglecting actions what exactly?
I read today that the McCanns are calling this latest discovery that tractorman could have been involved in Madeleines abduction as pure speculation. No surprises there then since if Madeleine is dead the cash cow disintegrates.
But on the bright side it would get them off the hook!!
A decision they'll regret for the rest of their lives?
Cape Verde is a Portuguese colony? Are you sure?
This will be news to all those Cape Verdeans who think they live in an independent country!
That might be the case if they ever displayed any regret for their actions, but, in public at least, they act as though their behaviour was perfectly fine and there was nothing wrong with it.
And you would call their child neglecting actions what exactly?
Has anyone noticed that the suspects are being cleared one by one? Tannerman or Bundleman was the prime suspect and now 5 years on he has been uncovered as an innocent. Then we have Smithman and the 5 year suppression of files. Now apparently two Crimewatch viewers have put a name to this man but no arrests, another innocent but nameless individual??
With every passing suspect the abduction story itself begins to look even more SUSPECT..
"Now apparently two Crimewatch viewers have put a name to this man but no arrests, another innocent but nameless individual??"
This could possibly be another reason the case has been reopened. SY are working closely together with the Portuguese and any decision to reopen would have their backing IMO. It's quite a coincidence that it's been reopened not long after SY released those Efits on Crimewatch. This could be the ace up their sleeve but further investigation and evidence is required. We don't know what is happening in the background and while everyone is watching and commenting on the Portuguese operation, SY can concentrate on Smithman i.e. their main suspect. Very smart move if true.
Has anyone noticed that the suspects are being cleared one by one? Tannerman or Bundleman was the prime suspect and now 5 years on he has been uncovered as an innocent. Then we have Smithman and the 5 year suppression of files. Now apparently two Crimewatch viewers have put a name to this man but no arrests, another innocent but nameless individual??Smithman is the one they are concentrating on. He is the last one and the one who will lead them to where Madeleine went and by which route. Via that to the master perp.
With every passing suspect the abduction story itself begins to look even more SUSPECT..
Smithman is the one they are concentrating on. He is the last one and the one who will lead them to where Madeleine went and by which route. Via that to the master perp.
Really.I still think there is a good chance that they are the same man.
So where is the proof of this ?
A short while ago it was Bundleman....................... >@@(*&)
I still think there is a good chance that they are the same man.
I still think there is a good chance that they are the same man.
Has anyone noticed that the suspects are being cleared one by one? Tannerman or Bundleman was the prime suspect and now 5 years on he has been uncovered as an innocent. Then we have Smithman and the 5 year suppression of files. Now apparently two Crimewatch viewers have put a name to this man but no arrests, another innocent but nameless individual??
With every passing suspect the abduction story itself begins to look even more SUSPECT..
And where may ask did you read that the mcCanns said its speculation about tractor man ?
Sorry Lizzi, but I have to agree with Red and Kate on this.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-kate-gerry-say-2657738
A news paper..say no more..click click
Not quite.....clarence is quoted, and quotation marks used....normally a sign of spoken words! Not journalistic babble
You did ask, as if suggesting it was off Angelos imagnation.....it wasnt....so I answered.....
And so you did well done..brownie points to you.
we'll have to wait and see then wont we..the papers print so many lies..we never know whats true anymore.
Here Here!
no exception to cdm btw.
According to the latest news from Portugal, this story about the vindictive ex-employee came about because it was one of the leads that, in their rogatory letteres, SY asked the 6 man team in Faro to look into.
According to the latest news from Portugal, this story about the vindictive ex-employee came about because it was one of the leads that, in their rogatory letteres, SY asked the 6 man team in Faro to look into.
Or "The Times"
According to the latest news from Portugal, this story about the vindictive ex-employee came about because it was one of the leads that, in their rogatory letteres, SY asked the 6 man team in Faro to look into.
According to the latest news from Portugal, this story about the vindictive ex-employee came about because it was one of the leads that, in their rogatory letteres, SY asked the 6 man team in Faro to look into.
Are these not the new ones, requested by SY of the Portuguese ?
well Mountclair is bringing this information to the forum.
Why no source or link?
Latest news from where in Portugal?
So who in Portugal is leaking this info?
TVI
According to the latest news from Portugal, this story about the vindictive ex-employee came about because it was one of the leads that, in their rogatory letteres, SY asked the 6 man team in Faro to look into.
Accusing a man of murdering a child because he was fired ? He's dead but has a wife and children.
A relative of the suspect, who is believed to have been questioned by Portuguese police, told the paper: "They are looking for a suspect that can't defend himself.
"Peoples' lives can't be exposed this way."
This 'new suspect' who died in a tractor accident and was previously working in OC.. is this maybe the playground man?
http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/bm/fplay.png
Accusing a man of murdering a child because he was fired ? He's dead but has a wife and children.
Since the guy has been named by daily star I wonder if his wife also worked in OC?
If this is his wife
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/VIRGINIA-MONTEIRO.htm
....then there is something really fishy going on.. as she states she was ill for 3 days after the abduction..
But I think their surname is quite common.. but she states she lives in Lagos.. so who knows !
And one of the 2 maintenance guys who fixed the blind also has the same surname
http://www.justpamalam.co.uk/mpjf/PJ/LUIS-FERRO.htm
Maybe the coincidence! I am just noticing this, no bad intentions really!
Since the guy has been named by daily star I wonder if his wife also worked in OC?
If this is his wife
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/VIRGINIA-MONTEIRO.htm
....then there is something really fishy going on.. as she states she was ill for 3 days after the abduction..
But I think their surname is quite common.. but she states she lives in Lagos.. so who knows !
And one of the 2 maintenance guys who fixed the blind also has the same surname
http://www.justpamalam.co.uk/mpjf/PJ/LUIS-FERRO.htm
Maybe the coincidence! I am just noticing this, no bad intentions really!
Ah mantra time again.
Very boring.
Typical mccann supporter tactics.
For your delectation.......................
'Job vacancy notice
Title: Evil Abductor
Essential characteristics: swarthy, foreign
The following characteristics are not required but will be an advantage to any candidate: ugly, severe skin problems, Roma background, illegal immigrant, dead
Applications with photo (or photofit if applicable) to Scotland Yard, FAO Andy Redwood.
Don't call us, we'll call you. '
@)(++(*
not funny or clever. Don't give up your day job.
not funny or clever. Don't give up your day job.
Predictable response.
you made it ...what did you expect when you post rubbish ..silly little boy ..was it you that helped Bennett make up that disgusting song about missing madeleine .....you both have the same mentality 8-)(--)
I didn't write that.
However, as a pastiche, it is right on the ball.
stephenie or whatever your name is - you posted it and if it was not yours you failed to give a link or the name of the author.
I was awaiting that one as well.
deliberate misspelling of my name.
P.S. Amazon.
says it all really.
Yes, your posts do.
I notice that you have been stamping your Mccann opposing foot from very early this morning.
I have a Mccann supporting "manta" (seems to be your word of the day) - so please put me on ignore.
I really cannot be bothered with you today.
PS maybe you could ask John for a "comedy corner" for your amazon posts
I was awaiting that one as well.
deliberate misspelling of my name.
P.S. Amazon.
So this 'disgruntled employee' waited for a year to get revenge did he? >@@(*&)He found a little girl trying to open the resort door and crying daddy, then he realised he could get revenge...
He found a little girl trying to open the resort door and crying daddy, then he realised he could get revenge...
Not likely is it. I think the papers need a new 'suspect' now.Yes, the revenge is ludicrous, I wonder how this idea can come to mind, as the sudden attack of paedophilia.
Not likely is it. I think the papers need a new 'suspect' now.
An aggressive and conflictual personality and suspicious behaviour towards children led the PJ investigation to the Cabo Verde immigrant, indicated in the abduction and murder of Maddie.
The PJ inspectors, who studied the case and led to it's recent reopening, elaborated a profile of the suspect - who died in 2009 at 40 - and concluded that the traits presented give more strength to the possibility that he was the author of the crime. The PJ, also, had done the same in 2007, when Robert Murat had been made "arguido". The profile had been made with the help of two British criminologists and indicated that the luso-british could be responsible for the disappearance.
As for the Cabo Verde immigrant now being investigated, he had a past marked some violent episodes. He was also involved in a labour conflict, having left in a dispute. This is what happened in the Ocean Clube resort, in Praia da Luz, in Lagos, where the suspect worked. He lost his job a short time before the girl disappeared, 3 May 2007.
The PJ has, during the last few days, attempted to reconstruct the last steps of the suspect and to try to find the places where he could have hidden Madeleine's body, who was 4 at the time of the disappearance. The suspect's family has not collaborated with the PJ, which has hindered the investigation. The wife has not offered any leads as to the last years of the life of her companion. The suspect had a record for theft. In 1996, he received a pardon from the President Jorge Sampaio and was not thrown out of the country.
The Family admits suing for defamation
The family of the man who is suspected of abducting Maddie, has already admitted suing the state, for offense against a deceased person. The wife, who refused to speak to CM, is supposed to have already contacted a lawyer in order to go ahead with a complaint for offenses to the memory of a deceased person. This complaint could come up against the fact that the PJ is only studying one line of investigation, which had already happened in the past. Robert Murat, for example, who had been made arguido, was never compensated for the damages suffered because of the investigation. It would be difficult in the Portuguese judicial system for the widow to prove this, although the closest relatives speak of an enormous "shame" felt by the widow and son.
I read he left OC a YEAR before the child went missing....
Where does the job vacancy for evil abductor comes from ?
why would the family not co-operate with the investigation - surely that would be the quickest way to prove this is rubbish (or not)?Ask the McCanns perhaps.
Where does the job vacancy for evil abductor comes from ?
Ask the McCanns perhaps.
Family can be arguided if suspected of complicity, even if the author is dead.
Portugal's daily Correio da Manha refusing to name the Cape Verde immigrant suspected of involvement in the disappearance of Madeleine.
They are rightly being very cautious at this stage.
A police source told weekly Portuguese newspaper 'O Crime' today the theory of the ex Ocean-Club worker's involvement in Madeleine's disappearance was "worthy of note."
But insisting nothing had been discounted, he added: "All leads, including those the British least like, are being considered."
http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/348563/Police-profile-revealed-Maddie-suspect-s-suspicious-behaviour-with-kids-report
extracted from that article
"All leads, including those the British least like, are being considered." What could they possibly mean ?
my guess is that they have leads that implicate the Mccanns.
Or possibly that Madeleine is no longer alive.
http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/348563/Police-profile-revealed-Maddie-suspect-s-suspicious-behaviour-with-kids-report
extracted from that article
"All leads, including those the British least like, are being considered." What could they possibly mean ?
If that is the case, would SY be failing in their duty not to look at them objectively, however much they may dislike them ?
is there any evidence whatsoever that SY have not looked at all possibilities objectively?
Thank you for the link.
The McCanns' Portuguese lawyer Rogerio Alves insisted last month Gerry and Kate McCann had been told the new lines of inquiry being probed by Portuguese police discounted them as suspects.
Portuguese police have made no official comment.
Also extracted from the article.
without knowing the true source of these "leaks" and the accuracy of them nothing can be taken as true or false (whether good or bad for the Mccanns)
yes 2007 all over again.
Is it Clarence again?
No Idea. I suppose one must consider who has most to gain from such stories ?
With thanks to Montclair for translation
thanks
where was that posted?
With so many children who are abducted in Portugal, why do the police only care about the English girl?".
Is it a coincidence that the suspect worked at the Millennium Restaurant where Virginia Vieira Monteiro also worked and that on the day Madeleine disappeared and the following day the latter was laid low with flu?
I feel so sorry for the wife. She loses her husband, and then years later her husband is accused in the world press of murder. On what grounds? Because he had previously worked for ocean club, and because his phone was in PDL at the time. This makes the witchcraft executions of past times seems logical in comparision.
No Idea. I suppose one must consider who has most to gain from such stories ?
The newspaper owners are the only ones who ultimately gain.
Is it a coincidence that the suspect worked at the Millennium Restaurant where Virginia Vieira Monteiro also worked and that on the day Madeleine disappeared and the following day the latter was laid low with flu?
I feel so sorry for the wife. She loses her husband, and then years later her husband is accused in the world press of murder. On what grounds? Because he had previously worked for ocean club, and because his phone was in PDL at the time. This makes the witchcraft executions of past times seems logical in comparision.Absolutely, it is Middle Age in the third millennium.
Is tractorman's surname Monterio or Monteiro ?Monteiro
Different papers are spelling it different ways !
http://www.cmjornal.xl.pt/detalhe/noticias/exclusivo-cm/maddie-judiciaria-investiga-pista-de-suspeito-morto
That's it I'm afraid. Details to follow...
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Immigrant Euclide Monterio emigrated from his native Cape Verde
and was resident in the village of Portelas near Lagos with
his Portuguese wife and children.
Is this the attempt to blame the disappearance on someone who can never answer back ?
Beast snatched Maddie in revenge for five euro theft.
MADELEINE McCann may have been kid-napped in a grudge attack over just five euros.
By Jerry Lawton
http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/348633/Beast-snatched-Maddie-in-revenge-for-five-euro-theft
Thank you for posting that Stephen. I don't know about the rest of you but I find Jerry Lawton and the Daily Star to be beyond contempt. This so-called 'suspect' is being condemned on the basis of a very minor theft. Referring to him as a BEAST is despicable.
Thank you for posting that Stephen. I don't know about the rest of you but I find Jerry Lawton and the Daily Star to be beyond contempt. This so-called 'suspect' is being condemned on the basis of a very minor theft. Referring to him as a BEAST is despicable.
The Star has been seriously taking the piss particularly over the last month, some of the front page headlines they've ran with (Maddy found in Dublin etc.) are designed purely to sell copy.
Desmond wants his money back, with interest.
Has there been a photograph released anywhere of the late Mr.Monteiro ?
Reason for asking is that I recall seeing a photo on a forum once of the McCann family at the OC and somebody commented on "the black guy watching them". There was indeed a black man in the background seemingly observing them.
And before any member asks me for a cite or source I can not provide one, maybe Red or another member here has a screenshot of the photo.
That's a very valid point John, surely he would have been recognized by former colleagues and his name would have appeared in their statements.
If it is true that his mobile showed activity in PDL that day - then the time of that activity will be known.
There were dozens of people close to 5A on the 3rd May 2007. I know a bunch that have apartments there.
Some were questioned, others didn't because they left in the weekend.
If everyone that was close to that blasted apartment was a suspect, there would be almost 200....maybe that's where the SY took their 195 suspects!
But the PJ made door to door inquiries, and had almost everyone documented.
If Euclides was close to that place he had every right. He could have been visiting a friend....
The black chap was a tourist iirc.
In any event Euclides Monteiro worked at the Millennium Restaurant before being sacked over the €5 note and had no reason to visit Ocean Club Garden where the McCanns stayed. Had he done so on the day Madeleine disappeared he would have been identified immediately by staff.
"Portuguese police declined to comment on the Correio da Manha report today.
It was written by three journalists including a senior reporter who gave evidence recently at the ongoing libel trial the McCanns have brought against Goncalo Amaral over a controversial July 2008 book he wrote.
A spokesman for the Policia Judiciaria said: "A secrecy order placed on the reopened case, and our professional secrecy, prevents us from making any comment on Correio da Manha's reports."
It emerged over the weekend police were planning to reinterview several Ocean Club employees."
According to CM TV (the same company that owns the journal) that man was searched by the 6 Faro PJs that are responding to the rogatories from UK. It has nothing to do with the portuguese investigation, which has not even started yet - the investigation team has not been appointed.
Thank you for posting that Stephen. I don't know about the rest of you but I find Jerry Lawton and the Daily Star to be beyond contempt. This so-called 'suspect' is being condemned on the basis of a very minor theft. Referring to him as a BEAST is despicable.I don't think Jerry Lawton writes these shameful words, according to what I can snoop when he sits by my side. But of course he knows, though he likely has no time to check the final product. I feel he's a cynic guy.
According to Morais.Joana is a honest person.
Note: Yesterday, I wrote that all the reports coming out from Correio da Manhã appeared to be part of the rogatory letter that is being carried out by a team from the PJ in Faro considering that there isn't a PJ team constituted yet to resume the investigation since the process was reopened; today it was confirmed that the “dead suspect” lead is being followed by the PJ review team from Porto headed by inspector Helena Monteiro (pictured above). As far as I know, all else that was reported by Correio da Manhã are leads being followed in the scope of the rogatory letter sent by the English police to the Portuguese authorities.
Euclides was 5 years old when his family came to Portugal, after Cabo Verde became independent, as many african families that considered themselves portuguese.
He grew up in Portugal as a portuguese citizen.
In his youth he experimented drugs, yes.
He committed several small thefts for which he was sentenced to be deported to his native country. In 1996, the Portuguese President, Jorge Sampaio, decided to forgive him, and rightly so since he was a product of the portuguese culture and way of life. After 1998 he became a portuguese citizen.
Since then he became a working man, he married and had kids.
He was dismissed from the Ocean Club as several others were , because there was a decrease in the number of guests and not because he had committed any crime.
Quote from: imustpointout on Today at 02:25:51 PM
If it is true that his mobile showed activity in PDL that day - then the time of that activity will be known.
Again a valid point regarding whether or not he wandered around the grounds or not.
Also your point regarding the timing of his phone pinging the masts will tell it's own story, as would any other pings on masts after he left PdL.
Joana is a honest person.
According to CM TV (the same company that owns the journal) that man was searched by the 6 Faro PJs that are responding to the rogatories from UK. It has nothing to do with the portuguese investigation, which has not even started yet - the investigation team has not been appointed.
He worked there in the past and could well have been visiting a colleague/friend.
Did he still own that mobile phone?
Luz - you have a lot of information about this man - did your family/friends in PDL know him or someone who knew him?
Not at all, everything I wrote is common knowledge. I was in Luz and Lagos last Wednesday and tried to know more, but in genral everyone was very "pissed" that his name had been dragged into this mess. Out of respect I will not write anything I learnt from the people that talked with me.
What on earth has this man go to do with Maddie's disappearance? Pure nonsense.
I agree.
seems he was looked at because his mobile phone pinged near OC on 3rd May (assuming he still owned the mobile, gosh if he was such a drug addict he might have sold it for some heroin ?>)()<
He is probably black
He is an immigrant
He has a police record for petty theft.
So there you go this guy MUST be the person who abducted the child.
The fact he was never seen in OC prior, the fact he didnt work in OC, (he worked in Millenium 2006), the fact he actually LIVED only 5kms from PDL, the fact is brother in law lived close to him too, the fact he was a hard worker with a family to support, the fact that there are no more arrests or convictions on his name after 1996, doesnt seem to matter a hoot. The fact is
HE IS DEAD, so cannot answer any of the accusations so he makes the perfect patsy for a bit of pink spin.
My goodness i feel so sorry for his widow and family what they must be going through right now.
IT DISGUSTS ME.
I thought the PJ were supposed to be working under secrecy.....
I find this case lately is turning and churning my stomach especially the involvement of the MEDIA.
Shocking and disgusting. Who will be next I wonder.
it is shocking isn't it? But why do you say HE IS DEAD, so cannot answer any of the accusations so he makes the perfect patsy for a bit of pink spin., When it was confirmed that the “dead suspect” lead is being followed by the PJ review team from Porto headed by inspector Helena Monteiro?
Sounds more like Amaral spin, to me!
Thank you for posting that Stephen. I don't know about the rest of you but I find Jerry Lawton and the Daily Star to be beyond contempt. This so-called 'suspect' is being condemned on the basis of a very minor theft. Referring to him as a BEAST is despicable.
it is shocking isn't it? But why do you say HE IS DEAD, so cannot answer any of the accusations so he makes the perfect patsy for a bit of pink spin., When it was confirmed that the “dead suspect” lead is being followed by the PJ review team from Porto headed by inspector Helena Monteiro??{)(**
Sounds more like Amaral spin, to me!
Is Monteiro a common name in Portugal, as is Murphy in Ireland or Smith in England ? Maybe some of our Portuguese members could confirm or deny.Monteiro is not as common as Smith but is not a rare surname.
Thank you John.To be honest the CdM started that story, though they didn't use the tabloids' (UK tabloid is pleonastic) sensationalist wording.
More people need to be made aware of the often appalling nature of the UK tabloid press.
I'm sure that Luisa isn't alone and that people are very angry.
Not at all, everything I wrote is common knowledge. I was in Luz and Lagos last Wednesday and tried to know more, but in genral everyone was very "pissed" that his name had been dragged into this mess. Out of respect I will not write anything I learnt from the people that talked with me.
I'm sure that Luisa isn't alone and that people are very angry.
He was a father too. The lack of respect for his family is astonishing.In case of a rumour retraction is worse, it reinforces it ! In this perspective the evolution of the forced shutters is exemplary. In the evening of the 4th there was, added to the narrative of the spectacular abduction through forced shutters, a quote of John Hill saying no breaking-in had been observed. As it was at the bottom of the article, it had already almost no value, then readers would think that of course the manager would try to protect his business and that would confirm the forced shutters !
Yeah, investigate every possible lead. but do it quietly!
I hope that every paper printing this rubbish is forced to print retractions and apologies.
At least I've seen nothing related to violence and child abuse in the CdM.
Yet!Pessimism is never reasonable !
At least I've seen nothing related to violence and child abuse in the CdM.
"Correio da Manhã - paper edition
(Translated by Montclair)
1 November 2013
Profile led PJ to the abductor of Maddie
The immigrant also showed agressive traits and suspicious behaviour towards children.
The suspect's family refuses to collaborate.
Eduardo Dâmaso/Tânia Laranjo/Ana Isabel Fonseca
An aggressive and conflictual personality and suspicious behaviour towards children led the PJ investigation to the Cabo Verde immigrant, indicated in the abduction and murder of Maddie"
As I said above lol. Yet!
Correio da Manhã - paper edition
(Translated by Montclair)
1 November 2013
Profile led PJ to the abductor of Maddie
The immigrant also showed agressive traits and suspicious behaviour towards children.
The suspect's family refuses to collaborate.
Eduardo Dâmaso/Tânia Laranjo/Ana Isabel Fonseca
An aggressive and conflictual personality and suspicious behaviour towards children led the PJ investigation to the Cabo Verde immigrant, indicated in the abduction and murder of Maddie.
The PJ inspectors, who studied the case and led to it's recent reopening, elaborated a profile of the suspect - who died in 2009 at 40 - and concluded that the traits presented give more strength to the possibility that he was the author of the crime. The PJ, also, had done the same in 2007, when Robert Murat had been made "arguido". The profile had been made with the help of two British criminologists and indicated that the luso-british could be responsible for the disappearance.
As for the Cabo Verde immigrant now being investigated, he had a past marked some violent episodes. He was also involved in a labour conflict, having left in a dispute. This is what happened in the Ocean Clube resort, in Praia da Luz, in Lagos, where the suspect worked. He lost his job a short time before the girl disappeared, 3 May 2007.
The PJ has, during the last few days, attempted to reconstruct the last steps of the suspect and to try to find the places where he could have hidden Madeleine's body, who was 4 at the time of the disappearance. The suspect's family has not collaborated with the PJ, which has hindered the investigation. The wife has not offered any leads as to the last years of the life of her companion. The suspect had a record for theft. In 1996, he received a pardon from the President Jorge Sampaio and was not thrown out of the country.
The Family admits suing for defamation
The family of the man who is suspected of abducting Maddie, has already admitted suing the state, for offense against a deceased person. The wife, who refused to speak to CM, is supposed to have already contacted a lawyer in order to go ahead with a complaint for offenses to the memory of a deceased person. This complaint could come up against the fact that the PJ is only studying one line of investigation, which had already happened in the past. Robert Murat, for example, who had been made arguido, was never compensated for the damages suffered because of the investigation. It would be difficult in the Portuguese judicial system for the widow to prove this, although the closest relatives speak of an enormous "shame" felt by the widow and son.
Murat was considered a suspect
The name of Robert Murat was put on the table, days after the disappearance of Maddie. At the time, the PJ counted on the help of Joe Sullivan and the superintendent Graham Hill, two renowned British criminologists, to analyse Murat's personality. The evaluation made of the luso-british led the authorities to conclude that he had 70 to 85% possibility of fitting in the profile of Maddie's abductor.
The criminologist also said, at the time, that Robert Murat "never gave credible explanations".
Details
Lived in Lagos
The suspect of Madeleine McCann's abduction lived the last few years in Portelas, in Lagos county.
"Unable to defend himself"
The family of the suspect told CM that they are indignant that the PJ are investigating someone who has already died and is unable to defend themself.
He was in the area
The mobile pings reveal that the suspect was in the area of the resort the day of the crime
Thank you John.
More people need to be made aware of the often appalling nature of the UK tabloid press.
Thank you John.
More people need to be made aware of the often appalling nature of the UK tabloid press.
"Correio da Manhã - paper edition
(Translated by Montclair)
1 November 2013
Profile led PJ to the abductor of Maddie
The immigrant also showed agressive traits and suspicious behaviour towards children.
The suspect's family refuses to collaborate.
Eduardo Dâmaso/Tânia Laranjo/Ana Isabel Fonseca
An aggressive and conflictual personality and suspicious behaviour towards children led the PJ investigation to the Cabo Verde immigrant, indicated in the abduction and murder of Maddie"
The Daily Star reporter whose name is associated with the story was challenged by us on twitter and is now trying to blame the Portuguese police. Jerry Lawton tweeted this evening that he is merely a reporter following a story. It was pointed out to him that his headline referred to Sr Monteiro as a 'Beast'.I don't think he's responsible for the "beast", the editor adds the dressing.
Last month Scotland Yard released new e-fits of a man suspected of abducting her when she was three from the family’s rented apartment at the Ocean Club in Praia da Luz.
It is believed he has since died.
The Express is reporting that SY efit suspect died too!
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/440958/McCann-s-misery-Kate-s-unceasing-pain-over-Madeleine
The Mirror has published the photo of the new PJ suspect.Finally the unimaginable combination of Smithmen e-fit 1 and e-fit 2 !
I suspect that is lack of knowledge and conflates the e fits with the suspected heroin user thief.
From the newest Daily Express article?{)(**
"Last month Scotland Yard released new e-fits of a man suspected of abducting her when she was three from the family’s rented apartment at the Ocean Club in Praia da Luz.
It is believed he has since died."
???????
Another one died?
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/440958/McCann-s-misery-Kate-s-unceasing-pain-over-Madeleine
Cannot be the tractorman, he hasn't died since the Crimewatch.I understood he died since he snatched.
I don't understand why, if the police can determine thanks to triangulation that this man was at a certain time in PDL, they have to interview his widow on his whereabouts.
I agree. If they know he was in PDL. they can know where he was in next few days too..Interesting point. VIXTE 8((()*/
I agree. If they know he was in PDL. they can know where he was in next few days too..
Cannot be the tractorman, he hasn't died since the Crimewatch.
I don't understand why, if the police can determine thanks to triangulation that this man was at a certain time in PDL, they have to interview his widow on his whereabouts.
The Daily Mirror has now published a photo of the late Sr Euclides Monteiro.
(http://i.imgur.com/l2XZb71.jpg?1)
What a disgrace! Lord Leveson must be tearing his hair out.
The Daily Mirror has now published a photo of the late Sr Euclides Monteiro.
(http://i.imgur.com/l2XZb71.jpg?1)
Why do this? What possible purpose can this serve? None of the sightings were of black men. If he was in the area, fine, get all the information that you can to eliminate or include him in and investigation, but to print a photo of someone's dead husband and father in relation to a crime which he may well be innocent of is just utterly disgraceful!
Why do this? What possible purpose can this serve? None of the sightings were of black men. If he was in the area, fine, get all the information that you can to eliminate or include him in and investigation, but to print a photo of someone's dead husband and father in relation to a crime which he may well be innocent of is just utterly disgraceful!
Why do this? What possible purpose can this serve? None of the sightings were of black men. If he was in the area, fine, get all the information that you can to eliminate or include him in and investigation, but to print a photo of someone's dead husband and father in relation to a crime which he may well be innocent of is just utterly disgraceful!
Yes it's appalling.
It is a case of pick the patsy who can't answer back.
Put the blame where it belongs . I posted yesterday...why have the PJ released this mans name..they have no evidence against him...its a disgrace...but most of this forum refuse to criticise them..this is justice Portuguese style...when will people wake up
Put the blame where it belongs . I posted yesterday...why have the PJ released this mans name..they have no evidence against him...its a disgrace...but most of this forum refuse to criticise them..this is justice Portuguese style...when will people wake up
Do we know for certain who has released the name & photo? Has it been released officially, or this from some unattributed leak?
Good for your consistency. I thought you were in favour of a free press. No laws or rules have been broken. This is a free press working- bringing information out for the people to read.
So if the 'press' as you call it accused you, you would have no problems with it ?
You are proving me right...where did the press get his name from
This is one of the rare occasions we can agree.
Police Forces, whatever their origin, leak.
who else could have leaked it
Redwood was very careful to point out that smithman is not a suspect and may be totally innocent...that's the difference
Well, it might have been ferreted out by journalists. It doesn't look like a police photo, so maybe it was provided by a 'friend'.
I think you find that with the current ongoing trial involving Brooks and Coulson, leaks from the police involving monetary rewards are very commonplace here and abroad.
head in the sand
again you prove my point...a total unwillingness to criticise the pj who have named this man
Redwood was very careful to point out that smithman is not a suspect and may be totally innocent...that's the difference
I don't understand why, if the police can determine thanks to triangulation that this man was at a certain time in PDL, they have to interview his widow on his whereabouts.
A carbon copy of what has happened to the Mccanns, eh Stephen?
So if the 'press' as you call it accused you of such a crime without any evidence, you would have no problems with it ?
So if the 'press' as you call it accused you of such a crime without any evidence, you would have no problems with it ?
The triangulation doesn't prove he was anywhere near PdL that day. Did Luisa per chance borrow it and was in the village??
Isn't it worthy of note that in all the burglary reports there is no mention of it being a black man??
They have a source- the PJ and its leaks to CdM.
and the leaks from SY ?
How do you know the PJ didn't inform SY of it's suspicions, and then someone at SY had another leak ?
Hardly an uncommon event there.
A carbon copy of what has happened to the Mccanns, eh Stephen?
Yep, I agree it is disgusting.
Quite possibly, but te press had a source and a right to publish.
and the leaks from SY ?
How do you know the PJ didn't inform SY of it's suspicions, and then someone at SY had another leak ?
Hardly an uncommon event there.
Good for your consistency. I thought you were in favour of a free press. No laws or rules have been broken. This is a free press working- bringing information out for the people to read.
Whoever has dragged this guy's name through the mud need a bloody good hiding! Pj or newspaper, I don't care!8@??)( 8@??)( 8@??)(
I feel desperately sorry for his family.
The pj were leaking like a sieve in the early days of the case..long before SY was brought in.
Condemning a man who is not guilty of abduction is hardly a free press. A gutter press completely out of control would be closer to it and Jerry Lawton and the Daily Star are frontrunners.
Condemning a man who is not guilty of abduction is hardly a free press. A gutter press completely out of control would be closer to it and Jerry Lawton and the Daily Star are frontrunners.
so why did the pj release his name
Isn't it worthy of note that in all the burglary reports there is no mention of it being a black man??
This is bothering me. I can't help but think that if a black man was in the area, he would have been noticed. Only 2% of the Portuguese population is of African decent http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_diaspora yet, certainly in Britain, black men are far more likely to be stopped and searched http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2012/jun/12/police-stop-and-search-black-people
Have you never visited a market in an Iberian holiday town?
I don't think he is involved
the dead man ...?
posted this once ..my post whooshed into cyber space for some reason ... >@@(*&)
Yeah not getting anything from him don't think anything from him .you?
nothing to suggest its him imo ... I think its a wild goose chase ... >@@(*&)
Think it's just someone to tick of the list . Be interesting to know why he was there unless he was waiting fir the mrs ,
Wonder who he phoned that night , the sy want smith man imo
No evidence he was there, just apparently his phone pinged in the wider vicinity....no evidence he owned that phone still either...all very slippery and vacuous
Where do you get that "information" from.
No evidence he was there, just apparently his phone pinged in the wider vicinity....no evidence he owned that phone still either...all very slippery and vacuous
Think it's just someone to tick of the list . Be interesting to know why he was there unless he was waiting fir the mrs ,
Wonder who he phoned that night , the sy want smith man imo
What information, be specific, do hurry, need to go out soon......
Druggys don't change there number much just actual phones .
The papers just desperate for a story . Redwood was quite ad ament he wants smith man .
Smoke screens to keep people guessing and pedo groups chatting
No evidence he was there, just apparently his phone pinged in the wider vicinity....no evidence he owned that phone still either...all very slippery and vacuous..now a past thief of over 10 years to events who in the past smoked weed or heroin and alledgedly burgled apartments in the ocean club equals a child abductor....dots dont really add up much
Not sure where you get that information from. Having worked with drug users in the past they very rarely had the same number for much more than a week or two. they would sell their phones, or lend them out, or lose them or have them stolen - not to mention the ducking and diving from all the people they owed money to.
I can't think of a single instance where they had their number ported to a new phone.
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Not sure where you get that information from. Having worked with drug users in the past they very rarely had the same number for much more than a week or two. they would sell their phones, or lend them out, or lose them or have them stolen - not to mention the ducking and diving from all the people they owed money to.
I can't think of a single instance where they had their number ported to a new phone.
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he went to prison in the 90s apparently for theft....like millions have....how many people have you heard of that steal kids to sell for their drug habit?
Quite nonsensical all in all IMO
Ex con, heavy drug user, stealing from tills, stealing from apartments. Family said he wouldn't hurts a child.. but would he 'sell a child'?
IMO this cannot be painted 'positive' as some people are trying.. and needs investigation.
Maybe is him, maybe is not.. PJ working on it.. let them investigate..
HI REDBLOSSOM I so agree with you hun.
I taught communication and one of the things i used was how information can change so easily. (Chinese Whispers).
Chinese Whispers is a game in which a message is distorted by being passed around in a whisper.
Every time we did this the message completely changed by the end.
Monteiro is now spoken off as a drug crzed thief, who went around apartments stealing stuff to fuel his heroin addiction.....and steal a little blonde girl to buy drugs, or revenge or whatever....
Is this fact?
From what I read, when he was younger he got caught up in some petty thieving, and he did take drugs. He was going to be deported back to Verde, but was given a PARDON. They dont usually grant pardons to people who have no chance of turning their lives around.
So this was in 1996 17 years ago.
Since then he has a family and a partner and has worked whenever he could to keep his family.
It is reported he STOLE 5 EUROS. In essence it was also reported that some money about 5 euros had gone missing, (tip money), and the finger was pointed at him, so he was asked to leave. He left quietly. He then got other jobs.
In the paper it says MADDY KILLED FOR 5 EUROS.
He was a petty thief BEFORE 1996 (nothing since then according to files).
In the paper he is a THIEF, BURGLARISING apartments, taking laptops, etc etc.......this statement by a SO CALLED FRIEND....yeh right...
His sister said "he MAY have sold his phone!,,, now its HE SOLD HIS PHONE to fuel his drug habits.
Jeez.............
So what do we really have.
A young man who made a mistake and did some petty thieving, took some drugs, got pardon in 1996, and turned his life around. He worked diligently since then and had a family. He died WORKING...end of.
So he has gone to obscurity to: DRUG CRAZED, BURGLARY WHO KILLED MADDY FOR 5 EUROS IN REVENGE FOR BEING SACKED......
Jeez poor guy.
As to mobile phones, my grand children are always changing their phones....its normal to upgrade an upgrade.
The only thing the police have was a mobile phone in his name pinged near the apartments.......
Not only that we have a nice looking black guy with African decent who is 6ft 2ins TALL walking around PDL casing apartments, stealing from them and taking away the obliquatory white blond child yet not one person SAW HIM...not one.
They saw other men milling about but not a tall handsome black guy 6ft 2ins acting in a drug crazed manner lol....
Poor guy and the worse thing is he cant answer any of this.
I hope his widow and family sue the pants off the media....its disgusting what they have done to him.
Don't be silly. You cannot libel or harass the dead. No cause of action. The papers are doing their job I am afraid. Just becasue you don't like it does not mean it is wrong. What ever happened to the demands for a free press?
Your favorite word seems to be SILLY, is S as far as you got when reading the dictionary....
DOING THEIR JOB are you serious. THEY ARE MAKING IT UP AS THEY GO ALONG.
MADDY FOUND IN IRLAND
MADDY FOUND IN GREECE
MADDY SOLD FOR 5 EUROS..
Sorry not quite sure what planet your on but if you think the reporting of this guy is the newspapers doing their job then i rest my case.......people will believe any rubbish if its written in the newspapers as they never tell lies.....ROFLMAO....so funny, best thing i read all week....no wonder why the REDTOPS make so much money there are so many GULLIBLE people swallowing all this garbage lol.
They are taking legal advice in relation to the allegations being made against their deceased family member by the Portuguese police.
Sister and widow of latest suspect in missing Maddie case say Euclides Monteiro was not in Praia da Luz on the day that the three-year-old disappeared.
They claim that phone data is wrong and that Monteiro was not in the habit of keeping mobile phones for any length of time.
They are taking legal advice in relation to the allegations being made against their deceased family member by the Portuguese police.
How relevant are familial alibis?
Sister and widow of latest suspect in missing Maddie case say Euclides Monteiro was not in Praia da Luz on the day that the three-year-old disappeared.
They claim that phone data is wrong and that Monteiro was not in the habit of keeping mobile phones for any length of time.
They are taking legal advice in relation to the allegations being made against their deceased family member by the Portuguese police.
Scapegoats - yes there are more and more in the McCann case - a positive grave-yard of scapegoats.....Keep 'em guessing, keep 'em confused!
Maddie case: Sister says suspect is "scapegoat"She doesn't mind going six feet under to clean the name of her brother.
(http://i.imgur.com/OQ7fbNY.jpg)
Paula Batista (sister of suspect Euclide Monterio)
Maybe one of our Portuguese members can post the main points of this interview?
http://cmtv.sapo.pt/detalhe.aspx?channelID=34F5E1B7-BABF-4C08-83FC-20AF9E097CDA&contentID=E99A54A3-D99D-432C-BD2D-AC5F31557E64
So do you think SY's remit is to confuse people? If so why?
Surely identifying persons of interest and then seeking to rule them in - or rule them out of the enquiry is normal standard procedure with any police force.
Definitely. What surprises me is that for such a small and quiet place at that time of year, the place seems to have been rife with suspicious characters.
Agreed. There seems to have been more suspicious characters hanging about on street corners then actual holiday makers. I mean where were they all at night?
It was like the Marie Celeste lol.
The only people who seemed to be walking about was the Tapas 7, strange man carrying child x 2, and a family from Ireland.
Where was everyone else?
Seems there were more suspects per metre then happy holiday makers.
Now we even have a man on a tractor you would think someone would have noticed him...
So do you think SY's remit is to confuse people? If so why?
Surely identifying persons of interest and then seeking to rule them in - or rule them out of the enquiry is normal standard procedure with any police force.
Agreed. There seems to have been more suspicious characters hanging about on street corners then actual holiday makers. I mean where were they all at night?
It was like the Marie Celeste lol.
The only people who seemed to be walking about was the Tapas 7, strange man carrying child x 2, and a family from Ireland.
Where was everyone else?
Seems there were more suspects per metre then happy holiday makers.
Now we even have a man on a tractor you would think someone would have noticed him...
It is quite a farcical circus isnt it.....can anyone name ANY other case that has had so many so called suspects
Sometimes I wonder if we are watching the BBCs Magic Roundabout......
It is quite a farcical circus isnt it.....can anyone name ANY other case that has had so many so called suspects
Sometimes I wonder if we are watching the BBCs Magic Roundabout......
(http://karenchilvers.mycouncillor.org.uk/files/2013/08/Magic_roundabout.jpg)
It is quite a farcical circus isnt it.....can anyone name ANY other case that has had so many so called suspects
Sometimes I wonder if we are watching the BBCs Magic Roundabout......
(http://karenchilvers.mycouncillor.org.uk/files/2013/08/Magic_roundabout.jpg)
I think there are so many suspects because they don't have much to go on and are having to progress by a process of elimination in the hope that they can come up with something.
http://www.google.com/url?q=http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3Dc3DcChXNyYQ&sa=U&ei=q85_UvHjONCQhQeL3oHQDw&ved=0CB4QtwIwAA&usg=AFQjCNEE1C6GfuAXDE6nUbJlHJvF4PO4IA