Madeleine McCann alive?

[Angelo222]

No one but no one from any investigation as said they have evidence she left 5a alive,the last person to offer a opinion was Rowley,(and I'd surmise it will be the last we hear),is that they have no evidence pointing to Madeleine being dead or alive.£11+ million buys that gem.

The two tracker dogs evidence strongly suggests that she left the apartment alive walking before being picked up opposite mini reception.  I believe this is the best evidence there is in this case that she wandered off barefoot of her own volition and  met with some mishap.

[Venturi Swirl]

from the window.. hmm it is well documented in another thread go look.

Parents claim MBM was abducted via window you all argued how it was possible - rest my case.

Please provide the cite.

[Eleanor]

from the window.. hmm it is well documented in another thread go look.

Parents claim MBM was abducted via window you all argued how it was possible - rest my case.

The McCanns have not claimed that Madeleine was abducted via the window.  They don't know exactly what happened.

[Brietta]

No one but no one from any investigation as said they have evidence she left 5a alive,the last person to offer a opinion was Rowley,(and I'd surmise it will be the last we hear),is that they have no evidence pointing to Madeleine being dead or alive.£11+ million buys that gem.

The Portuguese public prosecutors Jose de Magalhaes and Joao Melchior Gomes declared that nothing which led to Madeleine's parents being declared arguidos stood up to close inspection.

In other words the Judicial police had got it all tragically wrong in 2007.

• they got it wrong that the media had been called before the police were
• they got the dog alerts wrong
• they got the forensic results wrong
• perhaps the biggest failure of all was their inability to find evidence of what had happened to Madeleine ... particularly whether she was alive or whether she was dead

Therein the archiving dispatch is actually recorded the truth of the lie that Amaral was ever up to running a competent investigation into a missing child.  His chutzpah in engineering blame on the innocent for his shortcomings could be considered quite admirable ... but for the fact it involves a little girl who no-one but her parents were looking for from 2008 and the archiving dispatch until 2013 when her case was reopened ... this time ensuring it was known that neither the Judicial police nor SY considered her parents suspects. 

[G-Unit]

The McCanns have not claimed that Madeleine was abducted via the window.  They don't know exactly what happened.

According to Patricia Cameron on 4th May;

“They think someone must have come in the window and gone out the door with her.”

Read more at: https://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/frantic-hunt-as-british-girl-feared-abducted-1-2454582

Why was the door included in their theory?

“The door was lying open.....

Read more at: https://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/frantic-hunt-as-british-girl-feared-abducted-1-2454582

[Brietta]

According to Patricia Cameron on 4th May;

“They think someone must have come in the window and gone out the door with her.”

Read more at: https://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/frantic-hunt-as-british-girl-feared-abducted-1-2454582

Why was the door included in their theory?

“The door was lying open.....

Read more at: https://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/frantic-hunt-as-british-girl-feared-abducted-1-2454582

I think an appropriate cite would not be panicked hearsay.  Please provide a cite from either Kate or Gerry, I think that is how it is supposed to work.  Thank you

[faithlilly]

The McCanns have not claimed that Madeleine was abducted via the window.  They don't know exactly what happened.

Not true.

https://youtu.be/-QTmSUYNWJY

[barrier]

The McCanns have not claimed that Madeleine was abducted via the window.  They don't know exactly what happened.

According to Mr Mitchell they did.

"I'm not going into the detail, but I can say that Kate and Gerry are firmly of the view that somebody got into the apartment and took Madeleine out the window as their means of escape, and to do that they did not necessarily have to tamper with anything. They got out of the window fairly easily."

https://www.independent.ie/world-news/europe/mccann-family-reverse-story-over-breakin-evidence-26327114.html

[Brietta]

According to Mr Mitchell they did.
https://www.independent.ie/world-news/europe/mccann-family-reverse-story-over-breakin-evidence-26327114.html

Slightly better than a hideho video I'll grant you ... but still nothing from the horse's mouth as they say.  Must be something if they were so allegedly hungry for publicity they were never off the telly.
Where is it?

[barrier]

Slightly better than a hideho video I'll grant you ... but still nothing from the horse's mouth as they say.  Must be something if they were so allegedly hungry for publicity they were never off the telly.
Where is it?

Don't get this spokesman bit do you.

[G-Unit]

I think an appropriate cite would not be panicked hearsay.  Please provide a cite from either Kate or Gerry, I think that is how it is supposed to work.  Thank you

I can think of no reason why Gerry McCann's sister would misunderstand what he was thinking had happened.

[Brietta]

I can think of no reason why Gerry McCann's sister would misunderstand what he was thinking had happened.

In an almost incoherent, hysterical phone call letting her know Madeleine was missing and could not be found??? 

Really??? you can't think???

Now ... you really have amazed me.

[G-Unit]

In an almost incoherent, hysterical phone call letting her know Madeleine was missing and could not be found??? 

Really??? you can't think???

Now ... you really have amazed me.

It's lucky they told Mt Mitchell a similar story after they'd calmed down a bit then isn't it?

"I'm not going into the detail, but I can say that Kate and Gerry are firmly of the view that somebody got into the apartment and took Madeleine out the window as their means of escape, and to do that they did not necessarily have to tamper with anything. They got out of the window fairly easily."
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=10595.msg514787#msg514787

They were determined to include that window one way or another it seems.

[Miss Taken Identity]

Don't get this spokesman bit do you.

Wayyyyyy over the head.

Kate tells us on panorama and another filmed interview about the moving door (clucking sounds from mouth)and the shutters and the whooooooshing, No one forgets that whooshing  do they?

I really do not get this 'they were so upset they said things that didn't happen' as an excuse.  I mean would anyone who saw their child being knocked down by a car really say they were killed by an elephant  and not a car? ppft.

"They were determined to include that window one way or another it seems. "

yeah... hm well imagine being all upset they forgot to mention that they left a door open and they left the children alone every night and that the checking was merely listening at the door. More dramatic  to whoosh curtains and have a scarie man pop in and out  within a few minutes- to be seen by JT and possibly the father standing just outside... I mean it would start people thinking...ALL sorts.

[Brietta]

It's lucky they told Mt Mitchell a similar story after they'd calmed down a bit then isn't it?

"I'm not going into the detail, but I can say that Kate and Gerry are firmly of the view that somebody got into the apartment and took Madeleine out the window as their means of escape, and to do that they did not necessarily have to tamper with anything. They got out of the window fairly easily."
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=10595.msg514787#msg514787

They were determined to include that window one way or another it seems.

As were the 'real' police when they arrived on the scene and went about checking the eye witness testimony out instead of rubbishing it all in damaging leaks to the Portuguese press.

Paulo Rebelo opens the window to Maddie's bedroom

Paulo Rebelo and his team consisting of two homicide inspectors, one from sexual abuse, another experienced in robberies and two specialists in technical analysis went over apartment 5A and reconstituted every possible scenario including entering via a window and passing a child sized bundle through.

So it seems the window does indeed have a place in the narrative ... but only to an investigation team competent enough to spend the time checking out each and every feasible scenario.