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stephen25000

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Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
« Reply #210 on: October 20, 2017, 08:58:25 AM »
"Insufficiency" does not equate to no evidence does it?

Indeed, as we are often reminded, a lack of evidence, does not mean it doesn't exist, or has yet to be found.

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
« Reply #211 on: October 20, 2017, 08:59:31 AM »
It has not been determined, if there was a crime.

The judgement should be read and understood in it's entirety, rather than nit-picking sections to favour one view.

It isn't not picking...it's unrealistic to post the whole report

Barrier has just quoted a section of the SC ruling not the whole report
The SC ruling is in dispute re the ECHR
Any reference to it needs to be seen in that light

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
« Reply #212 on: October 20, 2017, 09:00:06 AM »
Indeed, as we are often reminded, a lack of evidence, does not mean it doesn't exist, or has yet to be found.
Lack of evidence is evidence of innocence

stephen25000

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Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
« Reply #213 on: October 20, 2017, 09:01:20 AM »
YET AGAIN.............

'It doesn't therefore seem acceptable that the ruling, based on the insufficiency of evidence, should be equated to proof of innocence.'

By the way, a lack of evidence, is merely that.

It doesn't equate to innocence.
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Offline barrier

Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
« Reply #214 on: October 20, 2017, 09:02:34 AM »
The archiving report says no evidence
,That has been superceded by a SC court ruling,time to move on,10 yrs and still no evidence of an a abductor,save possibly for a supposed open window,yeah right!
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stephen25000

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Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
« Reply #215 on: October 20, 2017, 09:06:32 AM »
,That has been superceded by a SC court ruling,time to move on,10 yrs and still no evidence of an a abductor,save possibly for a supposed open window,yeah right!


As we know, there was no verification of the window being open, prior to Kate Mccanns visit to the apartment.

Offline Eleanor

Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
« Reply #216 on: October 20, 2017, 09:12:41 AM »

As we know, there was no verification of the window being open, prior to Kate Mccanns visit to the apartment.

Please note, this does not mean that it wasn't.

Offline barrier

Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
« Reply #217 on: October 20, 2017, 09:14:45 AM »
It isn't not picking...it's unrealistic to post the whole report

Barrier has just quoted a section of the SC ruling not the whole report
The SC ruling is in dispute re the ECHR
Any reference to it needs to be seen in that light

The McCann's think there might be a dispute in its ruling,the ECHR haven't decide yet have they? it needs to be seen in that light also.
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stephen25000

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Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
« Reply #218 on: October 20, 2017, 09:16:12 AM »
Please note, this does not mean that it wasn't.

I am well aware of that Eleanor.

The reality is, there is very little actual tangible evidence in this case, there is though plenty of supposition from all corners.

Offline Benice

Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
« Reply #219 on: October 20, 2017, 09:42:03 AM »
I didn't write the ruling,the supreme court did,far higher an authority than you or I.It was well documented at the time.

"'It should not be said that the appellants were cleared via the ruling announcing the archiving of the criminal case.
'In truth, that ruling was not made in virtue of Portugal's Public Prosecution Service having acquired the conviction that the appellants hadn't committed a crime.
'The archiving of the case was determined by the fact that public prosecutors hadn't managed to obtain sufficient evidence of the practice of crimes by the appellants.
'There is therefore a significant, and not merely a semantic difference, between the legally admissible foundations of the archive ruling.
'It doesn't therefore seem acceptable that the ruling, based on the insufficiency of evidence, should be equated to proof of innocence.'"

A strange claim for a court to make IMO  when they can have no idea whatsoever whether:-

(1) 'sufficient' evidence against the McCanns actually exists to be found -

  or

(2)  the reason why 'sufficient' evidence was NOT found is because it simply did not exist to be found in the first place.   

They also seem to have forgotten that people are not required to provide proof of innocence and therefore it also rides roughshod over the concept, held dear in civilised countries, that every person is considered to be innocent until proven guilty.

AIMHO

The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal

Offline sadie

Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
« Reply #220 on: October 20, 2017, 09:42:38 AM »
An abduction based on no evidence?   @)(++(*

That must be a first for any police force.
That is as far as you and we know.

A great deal of water has passed under the bridge since the early days John.

SY and the specialist PJ team may know the lot now and hopefully do. 

Offline sadie

Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
« Reply #221 on: October 20, 2017, 09:46:06 AM »
I would include conspiracy, interference with a police investigation and attempting to pervert the course of justice for starters.
Now those are BIG accusations.  Please would you elaborate.

stephen25000

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Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
« Reply #222 on: October 20, 2017, 10:01:44 AM »
A strange claim for a court to make IMO  when they can have no idea whatsoever whether:-

(1) 'sufficient' evidence against the McCanns actually exists to be found -

  or

(2)  the reason why 'sufficient' evidence was NOT found is because it simply did not exist to be found in the first place.   

They also seem to have forgotten that people are not required to provide proof of innocence and therefore it also rides roughshod over the concept, held dear in civilised countries, that every person is considered to be innocent until proven guilty.

AIMHO

The McCann's have not been ran over rough-shod.

They took their case against Amaral to court, and failed.

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
« Reply #223 on: October 20, 2017, 10:06:18 AM »
YET AGAIN.............

'It doesn't therefore seem acceptable that the ruling, based on the insufficiency of evidence, should be equated to proof of innocence.'

By the way, a lack of evidence, is merely that.

It doesn't equate to innocence.

It doesn't equate to proof of evidence is what the SC quite rightly says
It is certainly evidence of innocence imo

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Netflix to air new documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
« Reply #224 on: October 20, 2017, 10:10:21 AM »
The McCann's think there might be a dispute in its ruling,the ECHR haven't decide yet have they? it needs to be seen in that light also.

The judge in the first instance also disagreed with the SC