Did Gonçalo Amaral misinterpret the evidence?

[sadie]

Was Almeida's interim report, which formed the value judgement based on all evidence gathered at that time & subsequently used by Amaral, in the public domain when the book was published?

Not only was Amaral a convicted criminal (perjury) but his second in command was also a convicted criminal.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2449861/Madeleine-McCanns-mother-Kate-wants-defend-court-smears.html

Scroll down to near the bottom of the article.  He was convicted of torture



So both the top men had convictions.  Why was so much weight  given to two convicted criminals?

[Angelo222]

Not only was Amaral a convicted criminal (perjury) but his second in command was also a convicted criminal.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2449861/Madeleine-McCanns-mother-Kate-wants-defend-court-smears.html

Scroll down to near the bottom of the article.  He was convicted of torture



So both the top men had convictions.  Why was so much weight  given to two convicted criminals?

Let's not get carried away Sadie. Amaral's single conviction was the result of an unfortunate internal episode where he lied to protect his own men. An admirable quality one might suggest (protecting ones men that is despite the consequences for ones own career).

[Sunny]

I haven't mentioned judges... It's part if the proven facts

Can you show me where it says anywhere the alerts were proven not to be cadaver davel?

[Mr Gray]

Can you show me where it says anywhere the alerts were proven not to be cadaver davel?

In the proven facts...it states.  The dog alerted to cadaver odour

[Mr Gray]

Let's not get carried away Sadie. Amaral's single conviction was the result of an unfortunate internal episode where he lied to protect his own men. An admirable quality one might suggest (protecting ones men that is despite the consequences for ones own career).

Protecting men who are, accused of torture is not admirable

[G-Unit]

In the proven facts...it states.  The dog alerted to cadaver odour

No it doesn't.

[Mr Gray]

No it doesn't.

What does it say then

[John]

Protecting men who are, accused of torture is not admirable

Was it better that a child die?

[sadie]

Let's not get carried away Sadie. Amaral's single conviction was the result of an unfortunate internal episode where he lied to protect his own men. An admirable quality one might suggest (protecting ones men that is despite the consequences for ones own career).

He lied to protect himself and at the expence of Leonor and Joao Cipriano.

In Court.



He should have been locked away, imo, and Tavares Almeira should have been locked away too.



The one tells lies as proven by his perjury conviction and the other tortures as proven by his conviction.



I wonder if Almeira was one of the torturers of Leonor Cipriano and Michael Cook.
Takes a certain sort of person, imo, to torture.

[sadie]

Was it better that a child die?

WHAT ?

What are you on about John?

[Mr Gray]

No it doesn't.

1.2. In the appealed acórdão the following facts are considered proven :



6. The dogs Eddie and Keela, from the British police, have detected human blood and cadaver scent in the apartment 5A of the Ocean Club.

[Robittybob1]

1.2. In the appealed acórdão the following facts are considered proven :



6. The dogs Eddie and Keela, from the British police, have detected human blood and cadaver scent in the apartment 5A of the Ocean Club.

I thought proven facts would have to be agreed to by both parties before the trial commences.  Maybe the McCanns accept that there was cadaver odour.

[G-Unit]

1.2. In the appealed acórdão the following facts are considered proven :



6. The dogs Eddie and Keela, from the British police, have detected human blood and cadaver scent in the apartment 5A of the Ocean Club.

It would make my life easier if you could provide cites for information quoted. However, I have got it now. It appears in the first judgement dated 27th April 2015, page 9.
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=6307.0

Now I understand why Gerry McCann wanted to talk about cadaver dogs when he gave his evidence. What I can't work out is who decided what the proven facts were and when they decided what they were. It seems to have happened in a hearing for which we don't have the transcript;

A preliminary hearing (in 5 sessions) occurred, during which was produced the generic preparatory dispatch that declared the plea valid and regular (3)

At the same hearing the undisputed facts were established and the instruction basis was structured, the complaint of the claimants being rejected.
Judgement dated 27th April 2007 page 6
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=6307.0

[Robittybob1]

It would make my life easier if you could provide cites for information quoted. However, I have got it now. It appears in the first judgement dated 27th April 2015, page 9.
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=6307.0

Now I understand why Gerry McCann wanted to talk about cadaver dogs when he gave his evidence. What I can't work out is who decided what the proven facts were and when they decided what they were. It seems to have happened in a hearing for which we don't have the transcript;

A preliminary hearing (in 5 sessions) occurred, during which was produced the generic preparatory dispatch that declared the plea valid and regular (3)

At the same hearing the undisputed facts were established and the instruction basis was structured, the complaint of the claimants being rejected.
Judgement dated 27th April 2007 page 6
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=6307.0

Good work G-unit.  So we have to admit the McCanns accept there was cadaver odour detected in the apartment.  Why would they ever do that? It would make sense if they knew there had been a cadaver in the apartment at some stage.  That does not mean they accept that that cadaver was Madeleine.
 

[Mr Gray]

Good work G-unit.  So we have to admit the McCanns accept there was cadaver odour detected in the apartment.  Why would they ever do that? It would make sense if they knew there had been a cadaver in the apartment at some stage.  That does not mean they accept that that cadaver was Madeleine.

no we dont Rob