Author Topic: Is there a plausible, logical theory of abduction?  (Read 101654 times)

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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Is there a plausible, logical theory of abduction?
« Reply #90 on: January 19, 2017, 09:45:56 PM »
Someone has already claimed a window exists - Andy Redwood.  Do you know better?

Is it your belief that there may have been a member of the Tapas group in or adjacent to apartment 5a for every minute of the 30 minutes between 9.30 pm and 10pm?
It wouldn't have mattered if they were, the job could still proceed.   The tenants would have needed to be outside and on the right side of the building to notice anything.
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Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: Is there a plausible, logical theory of abduction?
« Reply #91 on: January 19, 2017, 10:52:47 PM »
There is no evidence an "abductor" was in the apartment.
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Is there a plausible, logical theory of abduction?
« Reply #92 on: January 19, 2017, 10:58:48 PM »
There is no evidence an "abductor" was in the apartment.
But if there is an unlocked door to enter and exit from what evidence would you need to leave.  I recall there are unidentified hairs so that is possible evidence left behind.
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Re: Is there a plausible, logical theory of abduction?
« Reply #93 on: January 19, 2017, 11:03:03 PM »
A plausible, logical theory of abduction does not require proof of an abductor.  If there was proof of an abductor it wouldn't be a theory.

Offline Robittybob1

Re: Is there a plausible, logical theory of abduction?
« Reply #94 on: January 19, 2017, 11:14:16 PM »
A plausible, logical theory of abduction does not require proof of an abductor.  If there was proof of an abductor it wouldn't be a theory.
It would be a fact.
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Is there a plausible, logical theory of abduction?
« Reply #95 on: January 19, 2017, 11:27:27 PM »
I spent some minutes thinking through different indicators that an abduction occurred and everything you can think of could have be faked or have an alternative cause.
The PJ were waiting for a ransom demand, and there seem to have been some demands.  Were they all considered hoaxes?
I don't know if this qualifies "
1901  Information about anonymous phone call received by OC employee.
Anonymous calls regarding Madeleine's disappearance  2007.06.24
07 Processos Vol VII, Page 1901
07_VOLUME_VI1a_Page_1901
 ervice Information

Date: 2007.06.24

To: The Coordinator of the Criminal Investigation
From: Inspector Joao Correia


RE: Telephone call received by this police station


I am writing write to inform you that today, at 12H00, this police station was contacted by telephone by Maria Fernandes, an employee of the ''Ocean Club", situated in Praia da Luz- Lagos, who told us the following: She became aware that one of her colleagues, Paula Cristina Vieira, had received a message on her mobile phone, (where she could hear a child speaking in English) and in which someone asked for a million pounds.

She adds that the message was received on the 22nd of the current month and year and that the message is still available on her colleague's mobile.

She was asked to save the message so that the relevant inquiries to the investigation could be made

For your information.

Signed

Inspector
Joao Correia"
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/ANONYMOUS_CALLS.htm#ac1901
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Is there a plausible, logical theory of abduction?
« Reply #96 on: January 19, 2017, 11:53:15 PM »
Even this demand doesn't really meet the criteria:
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2716 - Email re sighting in Morocco
12 Apensos 12 Page 2716
 apenso5_vol_12_p2716
 

To Portimao DIC

Forwarded by Olegario da Sousa

(From French)


From: (xxxxxxxxxxx)

Subject: She's in Morocco

Date: 13th August 2007

The little girl is in Morocco in a town called Beni Mellal, which is about 100 km from Marrakesh, with a non-Moroccan man (tourist).

I saw them at a Beni Mellal monument.

He has a Mercedes 190 car.

If you want more information phone ***************** and come with 500000$ for him who will lead you to her.

I swear this is no joke.

I work and have no time for jokes.

You have another choice and that is not to come and never to see poor little Madeleine again."
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Is there a plausible, logical theory of abduction?
« Reply #97 on: January 19, 2017, 11:56:49 PM »
This account of a ransom demand makes you think:
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1922  Information 5 July 2007 re: emails received by Gerry and Kate McCann from Holland
07 Processos Vol VII Page 1922
07_VOLUME_VI1a_Page_1922
 
Date: 2007/07/05

Service Information

To: The Coordinator of the Criminal Investigation, G. Amaral

From: Ricardo Paiva

Subject: Emails about the whereabouts of Madeleine McCann

I compliance with your instructions, during the course of last week, the undersigned officer went to Praia da Luz to offer support and to accompany the couple Gerry and Kate McCann, parents of missing Madeleine McCann, following various emails received by the couple during the last two weeks coming from Holland, sent from the email address AMSTERDAMVU@gnail.com reporting supposed information about the whereabouts of the girl as well as about the identity and location of the abductors and referring that the author was prepared to provide this information in exchange for a large financial compensation.

The stress and anxiety of the McCann couple was visible and notable with regard to the situation, they replied quickly to the emails, which, from the beginning they believed to be genuine, given the fact that Gerry had lived in Holland and because of this the couple attributed greater importance to the emails, both expressing their conviction that the information in the emails would certainly help them to get their daughter back, even if it where necessary to spend the sum of 2 million euros demanded by the author in exchange for information about Madeleine McCann's whereabouts.

I bring this to your attention.

Signed

Inspector Ricardo Paiva
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Offline G-Unit

Re: Is there a plausible, logical theory of abduction?
« Reply #98 on: January 20, 2017, 06:21:34 AM »
Someone has already claimed a window exists - Andy Redwood.  Do you know better?

Is it your belief that there may have been a member of the Tapas group in or adjacent to apartment 5a for every minute of the 30 minutes between 9.30 pm and 10pm?

Has he?

The timeline can't be relied on because the times are approximate. There are indications that the alarm may have been earlier than the T9 said. The times in the timeline are not facts.
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Is there a plausible, logical theory of abduction?
« Reply #99 on: January 20, 2017, 07:41:07 AM »
Has he?

The timeline can't be relied on because the times are approximate. There are indications that the alarm may have been earlier than the T9 said. The times in the timeline are not facts.

I find that all of the OC and Mark Warner staff do not mention the period between 9:00 and 10:00 at all. 

There are many more inconsistencies in the MW and OC staff statements compared to the few in the T9.
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Re: Is there a plausible, logical theory of abduction?
« Reply #100 on: January 20, 2017, 08:16:29 AM »
Has he?

The timeline can't be relied on because the times are approximate. There are indications that the alarm may have been earlier than the T9 said. The times in the timeline are not facts.
Yes he has, how many times is it necessary for me to provide this cite before you accept it?

Redwood: "Yes, I mean, you know, we have conducted a forensic analysis of the timeline, and there is clearly opportunity there - for Madeleine McCann to have been removed from that apartment alive - and it is our belief, as experienced investigators - on the evidence, that, um that you know, that that, is a criminal act - and that has been, you know, undertaken by... by...a stranger, and so from that - she’s… and there are other cases around the world, as you know where, many years later, people have been taken and been found alive".

Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: Is there a plausible, logical theory of abduction?
« Reply #101 on: January 20, 2017, 10:30:58 AM »
A plausible, logical theory of abduction does not require proof of an abductor.  If there was proof of an abductor it wouldn't be a theory.

To quote The Killer..................think about it.
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Is there a plausible, logical theory of abduction?
« Reply #102 on: January 20, 2017, 10:58:53 AM »
To quote The Killer..................think about it.
To quote the abductor ........... run with it.
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Is there a plausible, logical theory of abduction?
« Reply #103 on: January 20, 2017, 12:16:52 PM »
There is no evidence an "abductor" was in the apartment.

There may well have been evidence but it wasn't found
The bed sheets were not properly examined for DNA and sent to the laundry days later
That is appalling police work and cannot be defended

Offline G-Unit

Re: Is there a plausible, logical theory of abduction?
« Reply #104 on: January 20, 2017, 12:27:04 PM »
Yes he has, how many times is it necessary for me to provide this cite before you accept it?

Redwood: "Yes, I mean, you know, we have conducted a forensic analysis of the timeline, and there is clearly opportunity there - for Madeleine McCann to have been removed from that apartment alive - and it is our belief, as experienced investigators - on the evidence, that, um that you know, that that, is a criminal act - and that has been, you know, undertaken by... by...a stranger, and so from that - she’s… and there are other cases around the world, as you know where, many years later, people have been taken and been found alive".

The timeline that was never verified? The timeline that had different times for when something happened depending which witness statement you happened to be reading at the time? According to the statements Gerry McCann could have gone to check his children as early as 2100 and returned as late as 2130. The timeline isn't a cohesive, forensically examinable narrative whatever Redwood proclaimed.
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