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Offline Carana

Re: The Cadaver test on the cars using the dogs
« Reply #30 on: April 09, 2013, 05:57:20 PM »
Eddie didn't initially react to the car at all. Once he alerted to the odor emanating from inside, he was of no further forensic use. The only
THing to do was deploy Keela for specific area.

But he reacted to the driver's door, didn't he  - after which he (and Keela) reacted to the carcard)?

Not the boot?

Did you ever notice Eddie reacting to the boot?

ferryman

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Re: The Cadaver test on the cars using the dogs
« Reply #31 on: April 09, 2013, 06:09:29 PM »
Eddie didn't initially react to the car at all. Once he alerted to the odor emanating from inside, he was of no further forensic use. The only
THing to do was deploy Keela for specific area.

But he reacted to the driver's door, didn't he  - after which he (and Keela) reacted to the carcard)?

Not the boot?

Did you ever notice Eddie reacting to the boot?

Which raises another interesting point:

Keela reacted to the boot and Eddie didn't.

Both dogs react to the scent of blood.

An alerting/non alerting error?

debunker

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Re: The Cadaver test on the cars using the dogs
« Reply #32 on: April 09, 2013, 06:11:21 PM »
Eddie didn't initially react to the car at all. Once he alerted to the odor emanating from inside, he was of no further forensic use. The only
THing to do was deploy Keela for specific area.

But he reacted to the driver's door, didn't he  - after which he (and Keela) reacted to the carcard)?

Not the boot?

Did you ever notice Eddie reacting to the boot?

KEela reacted to the boot.  IIRC Eddie was not deployed in the car, if he was it would not have added anything to the knowledge. Only a negative reaction from Keela could do that.

debunker

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Re: The Cadaver test on the cars using the dogs
« Reply #33 on: April 09, 2013, 06:12:02 PM »
Was Eddie deployed in the car, I forget.

Offline Carana

Re: The Cadaver test on the cars using the dogs
« Reply #34 on: April 09, 2013, 06:20:02 PM »
Was Eddie deployed in the car, I forget.

But it's considered to be an important "fact"... I still haven't been able to verify that he had.

ferryman

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Re: The Cadaver test on the cars using the dogs
« Reply #35 on: April 09, 2013, 06:38:50 PM »
Was Eddie deployed in the car, I forget.

But it's considered to be an important "fact"... I still haven't been able to verify that he had.

Eddie wasn't deployed in the car, no ...

Offline Eleanor

Re: The Cadaver test on the cars using the dogs
« Reply #36 on: April 09, 2013, 06:57:53 PM »
Eddie didn't initially react to the car at all. Once he alerted to the odor emanating from inside, he was of no further forensic use. The only
THing to do was deploy Keela for specific area.

You are sometimes a little blind to the supposed use of The Dogs in conjunction.  The alert of Eddie alone is not necessarily proof of Cadaver Odour.

NO. I am exact about the dogs. If Eddie has reacted in an  area,the only additional information obtainable is a negative from Keela which would suggest cadaver odor. Any further reaction from Eddie in t h e car would add nothing.

What exactly is Cadaver Odour?

Offline John

Re: The Cadaver test on the cars using the dogs
« Reply #37 on: April 09, 2013, 07:05:25 PM »
Here is an extended video of the Martin Grime's dog test using Eddie and Keela on the McCann's Renault Scenic hire car.

http://blip.tv/duarte-levy/vid%C3%A9o-eddie-keela-et-la-renault-scenic-1278687


Note how the handler lingers with this car and taps it several times.  Notice how the dog is more interested in the wall of the underground car park.  Notice how the handler refused to leave the car until the dog had alerted?   8(0(*

Did he tap any of the other vehicles?
« Last Edit: April 09, 2013, 07:14:44 PM by John »
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

ferryman

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Re: The Cadaver test on the cars using the dogs
« Reply #38 on: April 09, 2013, 07:07:14 PM »
Eddie didn't initially react to the car at all. Once he alerted to the odor emanating from inside, he was of no further forensic use. The only
THing to do was deploy Keela for specific area.

You are sometimes a little blind to the supposed use of The Dogs in conjunction.  The alert of Eddie alone is not necessarily proof of Cadaver Odour.

NO. I am exact about the dogs. If Eddie has reacted in an  area,the only additional information obtainable is a negative from Keela which would suggest cadaver odor. Any further reaction from Eddie in t h e car would add nothing.

What exactly is Cadaver Odour?

The cadaver "odour" is actually a cocktail of odours emitted by any body from a point shortly (but not immediately after) death through the various stages of decomposition right through to the skeletal stage.

Of course, secretions from living people decay just the same way as intact matter does in a dead person.  That is why a cadaver dog will react to blood lost by a living person.

debunker

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Re: The Cadaver test on the cars using the dogs
« Reply #39 on: April 09, 2013, 07:09:50 PM »
Eddie didn't initially react to the car at all. Once he alerted to the odor emanating from inside, he was of no further forensic use. The only
THing to do was deploy Keela for specific area.

You are sometimes a little blind to the supposed use of The Dogs in conjunction.  The alert of Eddie alone is not necessarily proof of Cadaver Odour.


NO. I am exact about the dogs. If Eddie has reacted in an  area,the only additional information obtainable is a negative from Keela which would suggest cadaver odor. Any further reaction from Eddie in t h e car would add nothing.

What exactly is Cadaver Odour?



It is shorthand for the odor of a  variety of chemicals with various scents that are part of the decomposition process of human soft tissue and fluids.

Offline Eleanor

Re: The Cadaver test on the cars using the dogs
« Reply #40 on: April 09, 2013, 07:28:22 PM »
Here is an extended video of the Martin Grime's dog test using Eddie and Keela on the McCann's Renault Scenic hire car.

http://blip.tv/duarte-levy/vid%C3%A9o-eddie-keela-et-la-renault-scenic-1278687


Note how the handler lingers with this car and taps it several times.  Notice how the dog is more interested in the wall of the underground car park.  Notice how the handler refused to leave the car until the dog had alerted?   8(0(*

Did he tap any of the other vehicles?

Got it in one, John.  Who knows what the dog would have done, left to his own devices.

And Yer, what was it up that wall?  All a bit of a laugh, really.

But then I don't suppose that you have seen the version that was first released, after being Edited by Duarte Levy.  Although we never have been able to discover how Duarte Levy got his hands on it.

Offline Eleanor

Re: The Cadaver test on the cars using the dogs
« Reply #41 on: April 09, 2013, 07:31:38 PM »
Eddie didn't initially react to the car at all. Once he alerted to the odor emanating from inside, he was of no further forensic use. The only
THing to do was deploy Keela for specific area.

You are sometimes a little blind to the supposed use of The Dogs in conjunction.  The alert of Eddie alone is not necessarily proof of Cadaver Odour.


NO. I am exact about the dogs. If Eddie has reacted in an  area,the only additional information obtainable is a negative from Keela which would suggest cadaver odor. Any further reaction from Eddie in t h e car would add nothing.

What exactly is Cadaver Odour?



It is shorthand for the odor of a  variety of chemicals with various scents that are part of the decomposition process of human soft tissue and fluids.

Cadaver Dogs don't seem to agree with you.

AnneGuedes

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Re: The Cadaver test on the cars using the dogs
« Reply #42 on: April 09, 2013, 08:02:28 PM »

It is shorthand for the odor of a  variety of chemicals with various scents that are part of the decomposition process of human soft tissue and fluids.
Yes and extraordinarily though very many different chemicals develop with time, modifying the general smell, the HRD dogs yet identify it as cadaver scent.