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Re: The Defence Will State Their Case
« Reply #660 on: August 31, 2017, 06:51:08 PM »
He certainly did! - the person who entered the plea in Court 2 at the Old Bailey, where measures had been taken to ensure that no one who knew Vincent Tabak personally would recognise the deceit.

I hate that "Crimewatch" episode, so I don't view it more than necessary, and never in a million years would I have spotted this brief shot, beside 44 Canynge Rd, of the VERY SAME RENAULT MEGANE on which minute traces of Joanna's blood were alleged to have been found, and which Vincent and Tanja allegedly drove backwards and forwards to the now hated Continent of Europe. Congratulations on your sharpness of eye!

I will watch it later!  I had the impression that the Crimewatch episode was dropped as soon as VT was arrested???

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Re: The Defence Will State Their Case
« Reply #661 on: August 31, 2017, 06:56:45 PM »
Don't be too surprised at www.192.com

Last time I looked, it still listed my mother at being at her address, together with the people who bought her house after she died.  My mother has been dead 10 years now!

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Re: The Defence Will State Their Case
« Reply #662 on: August 31, 2017, 07:02:48 PM »
Don't be too surprised at www.192.com

Last time I looked, it still listed my mother at being at her address, together with the people who bought her house after she died.  My mother has been dead 10 years now!

Thanks for that mrswah.....  ?{)(** 

But I did notice even though people are listed it tends to be the year they lived there.... So Zeta Collette lived there at the time it says  I believe....

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Re: The Defence Will State Their Case
« Reply #663 on: August 31, 2017, 07:04:00 PM »
I will watch it later!  I had the impression that the Crimewatch episode was dropped as soon as VT was arrested???

Indeed it was mrswah... But they rejigged the program and it was available to see after the trial....

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Re: The Defence Will State Their Case
« Reply #664 on: August 31, 2017, 11:28:21 PM »
The "Console" has bugged me for ages....   Remember Dr Vincent Tabak being asked if he broke the console ....

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The screams were heard 40 minutes before you texted Sonja.
No. I don’t know.
The apron dropped near to the door?
I don’t know?
Shhards of console- did you do that?
I don’t know.
POr of her knickers by the door. Did you put them there?
I don’t know.

The mark behind the Couch and in front of the red shelving unit has irritated me for ages....



But i think I may have an answer to what it is......

I believe it may be the outline of a handheld games console... we never saw anything of The Console... even though it had been mentioned....

I originally was thinking much bigger.... But No...... I believe it is smaller.... And The outline denotes where the console lay.....

So why didn't this games console come to court????

Maybe because it would have had to be explained why it was behind the couch....


That outline has to be important, or else it wouldn't be there....

There are so many handheld devices.. It would be difficult to say which one it could be...  If as I believe it is possible that the outline is that of A HandHeld Device !!!



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Re: The Defence Will State Their Case
« Reply #665 on: September 01, 2017, 02:12:21 AM »
Indeed it was mrswah... But they rejigged the program and it was available to see after the trial....

Ah, that one!  It's on You Tube under other names too:  it shows bits and pieces of  what would have been on Crimewatch, but it's really  a documentary made after the trial, to be shown instead of the original Crimewatch programme, perhaps??  I think I wrote about it in another section of this thread.

Clever of you to have noticed the clip with the car. Is it the real VT, or an actor, do you think? If it is the real VT, I wonder when it was filmed-----as, yes, I think that's number 44, and VT was not living there at the time he was arrested.  Odd!

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Re: The Defence Will State Their Case
« Reply #666 on: September 01, 2017, 11:12:54 AM »
What was the highly significant piece of evidence that was handed in???

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Chief among them is a 'highly significant' piece of new evidence that has been handed to them and which is undergoing a series of forensic tests.

Now people just assume it's the Pizza because of this next quote

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In keeping with the investigation so far, the police have not revealed details of what the item is, but it is understood that it is not the sock that was missing from her body when it was discovered on Christmas Day.

Now I wouldn't think it's the Pizza or Box... That's long gone.... So what could it be???

And more to the point who handed it in???

You have to think of what information was divulged to the media.... What the public knew about the case.... And as everything else is accounted for I believe... So what on earth could it be ??

Bernard... maybe it was something to do with The Cat.... Did it loose it's collar... Was it's collar taken???  That Cat has to be mentioned for a reason.... (IMO)...  Not only do we have images of said cat... we have Rebecca Scott talking about it in her video with the Police....

So what is it about ""Bernard"....

Well I have discovered that it is neutered... And I deduced this from the cat food which is on the Floor next to the shelves where we can see the Intercom...

And I have also discovered what type of Catfood is there.... "Royal Canin Vet Care Nutrition Cat - Neutered Young Male"... A very specific type of Cat Food.... Don't know if it was put there for a reason or not!

Anyway... Back to Bernard we know from the photograph of Joanna Yeates holding a rather large Bernard that he wore a collar... The name receptacle and bell are visible.... Was it the collar handed in???

I don't know.... I have tried to rack my brains as to what it could be.... And where it came from.....  Was it something to do with the "Sobbing Girl"???

I try to look at this logically.... And question myself.....

How can something be handed in that is significant, when nothing that we don't already now has been revealed...???

This I believe is why they jumped to the idea that it was the Pizza.... And I don't believe that it was.....

So the person who handed something in has to be known to Joanna Yeates.... Or connected to the Investigation somehow... I cannot think of another option.....

Is it something that came directly from the house ???  The only thing I can see Missing from the House is the Plant that should have been on the plate in the front room....  Is that what it is ???

The article then goes on to talk about pollen samples....

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Soil and pollen tests are also expected to be carried out on the item and a police source said: 'This, along with the DNA analysis, is being treated extremely seriously as a credible piece of evidence.'

But if it isn't the plant ... Was the item buried???

Is this why we don't here about the Significant piece of evidence at trial... Because only someone close to the Investigation would know that it was Significant.....

Again casting doubt on Dr Vincent Tabak's conviction..... (IMO)...

The paragraph about Pollen Samples..... Now if it isn't the plant from the table... How would testing for pollen samples help????

What value on testing would that bring??? You would need to know the location of said Item... It would have to be directly linked to Joanna Yeates....  For it to yield any evidentiary value. The pollen tests would only give the location of where said item may have come from..... Was the same pollen found on Joanna Yeates ...???? 

I don't think this item was on Longwood Lane.... So were could it have been found????

My next option is that it was a bunch of flowers... Did someone find a bunch of flowers with Joanna Yeates name on ???

And the Police were letting someone know if they found them they could test their clothes for pollen????

Is that why we see so many images of flowers with her name????

If it isn't someone close to the Investigation who hands this significant piece of evidence in... And it was a member of the public... The only option I can think of is that it had to be something with 'Jo's" name on it....!!

And a bunch of flowers is the only thing I can imaging..... Where these flowers Yellow??

There is no pollen found on Dr Vincent Tabak.... And you would have imagined that to be the case if this significant piece of evidence was linked to him!!

In fact where did he put his coat when he took it off???
Should that have yielded some evidence linking him to Longwood lane ???

I am totally perplexed as to what this significant piece of evidence could be.....  But for now I will stick with the idea that it was a bunch of flowers.... maybe daffodils.... (You can have them at Xmas if force grown)..

We have to remember we are constantly shown images of flowers.... There's an image of what is supposed to be Dr Vincent Tabak's window... That too has a bunch of daffodils in the window sill.... Maybe it's Roses..??

I will say that i believe that it is the significant piece of evidence that was handed in.. that should help to prove that Dr Vincent Tabak didn't commit this crime....

Because there is never any mention of Joanna Yeates having Dr Vincent Tabak as an admirer....  Is there ??

The only way that you could say that The Significant piece of evidence is linked to Dr Vincent Tabak, is that he actually knew Joanna Yeates....  And he came round with a bunch of flowers.... Changing everything about the case...(IMO)..

But if that had been the case.... why not just use it as evidence in court....

Did the Sobbing Girl know something about the flowers??? I don't know... Anything seems possible in this case.... (IMO)...

Another thing I have just thought of... If there was a label on said possible bunch of flowers... Was it a sticky note??

DCI Phil Jones... seeing as Dr Vincent Tabak is serving a life sentence... Could you now please tell us what the  Significant piece of Evidence was???  Thank you!


 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1345938/Joanna-Yeates-murder-The-final-text-friend-replied-late.html#ixzz4rPm0XuYB


Edit....  Just thinking about it now... I'll go as far as to say that it was a bunch of flowers with a card and her name on it.....

The article was dated the 11th January 2011... Now some of you will remember the article about the Pizza and note that was in the papers I believe on the 10th January 2010.... And within some of the articles the Police said that they had the persons "Handwriting"....

Now... Is it the card or post it note with Joanna Yeates name on it that could have come with a bunch of flowers, from said admirer ??????

Why else would the Police says that they had the"Persons Handwriting"???? If they didn't know who killed her ????

It's a possibility!!

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The letter, written on a page from a notepad, included a pizza label but not that of the Tesco pizza purchased by Miss Yeates. Bristol Ram landlord Alex Major said: "I can confirm we received a letter via the post on Monday 27, the first Monday after Christmas. There was a pizza label inside, but it wasn't a Tesco label."

So is the note a Sticky Note ??   

Read more at: http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/pizza-label-prank-in-yeates-case-1-3030995

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Re: The Defence Will State Their Case
« Reply #667 on: September 01, 2017, 11:57:31 AM »
Sticking with the idea that The Significant piece of evidence was a bunch of flowers.... This article could lend to that possibility...

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Stunned Rebecca Scott hit back at cruel gossips who say the tragic 25-year-old
could have been killed by a secret lover or admirer.

The article further goes on to say....

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Rebecca spoke out after cops said they were investigating what could be a
“highly significant” piece of evidence handed in by a member of the public.


So... Was someone rejected and dumped a bunch of flowers????

It is possible.....

Just to digress slightly.... How would a missed phone call from the Police make Rebecca Scott know something was wrong with Joanna Yeates????

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She revealed: “The next phone call I got was around 4am on Monday December 20,
it was a missed call from the police, I instantly knew something was wrong
so I called Jo’s phone and Greg answered, telling me what had happened.

Surely they wouldn't leave details about Joanna Yeates Missing on her phone ??? would they?? If this was the case thats another recording we should have heard... (IMO)... Why would she believe that something was immediatley wrong with her friend...?? Did she know something?? What would make someone immediately jump to that conclusion??

So back to the idea of an admirer.....

Was the Significant piece of evidence "Flowers" that had a card with Joanna Yeates name on it????? Because i can't think of anything else that it could be if it had been handed in by a member of the public as the article says !


https://www.thesun.co.uk/archives/news/304475/jo-wasnt-seeing-anyone-else/

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Re: The Defence Will State Their Case
« Reply #668 on: September 01, 2017, 12:09:55 PM »
It takes us mere mortals time to arrange for a scaffolding company to call. It may well be different for the police??

I was talking to a friend's hubby yesterday, he works for the police force. Without naming the murder of Joanna I asked him about the firms hired for scaffolding, building works ..... like digging patios etc., He said that the force had certain firms that they could call upon, who would drop everything and also be quiet about what and where they were.

Hope that helps a little bit.

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Re: The Defence Will State Their Case
« Reply #669 on: September 01, 2017, 12:47:33 PM »
On the subject of Flowers and a Card/Post it note.....

Why doesn't Dr Vincent Tabak look these items up in his search history... If he was really the killer????

Just a thought!!!

Edit.... Did the Police receive this Significant Piece of Evidence early on in the Investigation?????

Is that why when we see the Book Of Condolence, all the messages are made up of Post it Notes???

Because I always thought that the Post it notes were an odd way in which to sign a Book of Condolence.... (IMO).... Could easily be lost!!




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Re: The Defence Will State Their Case
« Reply #670 on: September 01, 2017, 04:43:49 PM »
  I found this remark by DI Joe Goff of Interest.... 

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Live Blog: Reaction on verdict over Yeates' death

Detective Inspector Joe Goff said: "In the evidence that we received, we never got as far as contacting any of the girls. However, we looked at the pattern of internet use surrounding escorts."
by alison.chung October 28, 2011 at 5:12 PM

Noticed he say received!!!

My question has to be who "Implicated" Dr Vincent Tabak???? Was the Porn etc, found on the work computer? Where anyone could use it.... (i still don't believe in the porn story personally)....

That indicates to me, that the Porn wasn't on his home computer as Tanja had access to this computer and I'm sure she would have seen anything untoward...... (IMO)...

Who gave The Police, The information on Escorts and Porn??????




http://live-news.sky.com/Event/Reaction_on_verdict_over_Yeates_death/17869888

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Re: The Defence Will State Their Case
« Reply #671 on: September 01, 2017, 05:29:24 PM »
Now I think I like this as an admission......

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4:42 PM - 28 Oct 2011Twitter
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Police say DNA took a while to process but once it started to look interesting the police started to build a case against him before arrest.

So... We have within 10 days of Joanna Yeates being found that DCI Phil Jones suspected Dr Vincent Tabak..... We have Lyndsey Lennen saying everything was turned around in 48 hrs... WE have CJ saying the Police already took samples from residents....

We have the Police releasing CJ on the 1st January 2011, because his DNA didn't match....  Why arrest CJ.. If you were building a case against Dr Vincent Tabk??  Was it you who Manipulated the Landlord ?????

We have Ann Reddrop wanting to build a case against Dr Vincent Tabak since late December 2010...

So I would take a rough guess and say by the 27th December 2010...  DCI Phil Jones had started to build a case against Dr Vincent Tabak,... without any evidence whatsoever that he had any involvement with the death of Joanna Yeates.....

What possible reason could the police have been suspicious of Dr Vincent Tabak at this stage?????

I believe I may be correct that the scaffolding went up on the 29th December 2010... no one would notice it....

So if they were spending all of their time building a case against Dr vincent Tabak... what information did they just dismiss???

"Crime Watch" was never going to happen... It can't have been the case... If their suspect was Dr vincent Tabak...(IMO)....

They went to great expense wasting money pretending to be looking for Joanna Yeates killer when all the time they were busy trying to build a case against Dr Vincent Tabak!!!

How much money did you waste????? Come on DCI Phil Jones... tell us how much money you wasted on asking for information that you decided would be irrelevant because you were busy building a case against Dr vincent Tabak.....

How many Police Officers were pratting about for no reason?????  You see... you can't have it both ways Phil... You can't be busy spending money that didn't need to be spent on items you didn't need to buy... If your suspect who you were busy building a case on was Dr Vincent Tabak... 

This is December 2010 we are talking..... So why spend all that money ?????

What was it exactly Phil... you don't mind if I call you Phil do you????  What was it exactly that made you think in December 2010, before the Infamous Holland Interview that Dr vincent Tabak was your man????

Come On ... Tell Me.... I'd really like to understand..... Did you recieve a note with Jo's name on... and I am not talking the one that came with the pizza label....   What Information did you recieve to make you believe it was Dr Vincent Tabak that had killed Joanna Yeates ?????

He wasn't around for the majority of the time.... So what intelligence did you recieve on Dr Vincent Tabak..... Or did as I have believed... Did the Sobbing Girl ring much sooner, perhaps she said the man you were looking for was Dutch!!!

But I am sure there are plenty of Dutchmen who could also have fitted the description .... Did you check the whole of the UK to see how many Dutch National lived here or were visiting ???? Did the Sobbing Girl mention it was A Forgien National....

There had to be something concrete for you to build a case against Dr Vincent Tabak since late December 2010... Or you thought you had something to build a case against him, didn't you!!!

I say this because.... There was NO EVIDENCE.... That the prosecution brought to trial to substanciate that Dr Vincent Tabak killed Joanna Yeates..... Nothing anyone said at trial came from what you say you built a case on him.......

The supposed Evidence was all of those ridiculous Internet searches, and a written statement that in my opinion was
concocted by people....

So If you were building a case.... Where is all the EVIDENCE you had...

(A): To arrest him
(B): To Charge him...

Because i do not remember any of it managing to hit the trial.... Low Copy DNA wouldn't have been enough to arrest him..... Or Charge him... And as He hadn't said anything.... How did you manage to do that ......!!!!!


Because what ever rubbish you ended up charging him with.... you didn't have when you apparently built your case against him..... Did you!!!!


I'll go back to the quote.....
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Police say DNA took a while to process but once it started to look interesting the police started to build a case against him before arrest.

So here you are admitting that you built an entire case against Dr Vincent Tabak, because of a minute sample of low copy DNA.. that no-one could test again because the sample was used up... And your telling me with your experience that a 1000/1 Low Copy DNA, was all it took for you to decide that "A Placid Dutchman " was your man!!!

Are you having a giggle????  Your entire case against a Forgien National who had no idea of British Law.. was built entirely from a Low Copy DNA sample...

I am Gobsmacked..... I knew you were no where with this case.... And you went to trial with NO EVIDENCE , But a Low Copy of DNA, that quite easily could have come from contamination.... And was about as much use as a Chocolate Teapot......!!!! Lord have Mercy !!!!

DCI Phil Jones... Or is it EX DCI Phil Jones..... Should I call you Mr Jones..... Or do you prefer Phil????

I would love for you to go on National TV an explain exactly what you did to The Placid Dutchman... and how you put him away based on NO EVIDENCE whatsoever..... (IMO)... And not only (IMO)... But it's what you have said apparently..... By the Police... And as you were In Charge... I hold you "Responsible"..!!

If this is an example of our British Police Force, then God help us.... Because your the one who's Frightening (IMO).....

Edit...... I didn't know that something looking "Interesting" was classed as Evidence....!!!!!



http://live-news.sky.com/Event/Reaction_on_verdict_over_Yeates_death?Page=2

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Re: The Defence Will State Their Case
« Reply #672 on: September 01, 2017, 05:37:51 PM »
I was talking to a friend's hubby yesterday, he works for the police force. Without naming the murder of Joanna I asked him about the firms hired for scaffolding, building works ..... like digging patios etc., He said that the force had certain firms that they could call upon, who would drop everything and also be quiet about what and where they were.

Hope that helps a little bit.
Thank you nina---I did wonder if that was the case.

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Re: The Defence Will State Their Case
« Reply #673 on: September 01, 2017, 06:19:34 PM »
We have more......

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Police say that getting Tabak's DNA sped up their investigation.

4:56 PM - 28 Oct 2011Twitter
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Tabak's DNA has been given to police in The Netherlands.


So.... What are we saying here.....  We already had a sample of his DNA,(according to CJ)... but we needed to have an Official sample... So we needed to go to Holland to take it.....

Phil..... As I keep saying..... what Evidence did you have to make you believe that it could be no one else other than Dr Vincent Tabak at that stage ?????

It had to be before Holland....  Is it correct, CJ saying you took finger prints and DNA sample's from the tenants ???? I can't see why he would need to tell an untruth at this stage of the game....

When it came to the Holland telephone call.... who rang who?????

Did DC Karen Thomas ring Dr Vincent Tabak again like she had done on Christmas Eve..... Because lets face it... That Phone Call never came to trial either.... The piece of Actual Evidence That Dr Vincent Tabak was trying to implicate CJ..... Where was this recording Phil?????


Now I believe that this is true....

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Detective Chief Inspector Phil Jones, who led the murder inquiry, said Tabak lied about Miss Yeates inviting him into her flat.
by alison.chung October 28, 2011 at 5:17 PM

And you know that it's true also..... (IMO)...

Phil one last thing for now....... You might have built a case against Dr Vincent Tabak.... But..... Did Dr Vincent Tabak actually kill Joanna Yeates ?????


http://live-news.sky.com/Event/Reaction_on_verdict_over_Yeates_death?Page=2

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Re: The Defence Will State Their Case
« Reply #674 on: September 01, 2017, 07:57:57 PM »
There is nothing in this link that you haven't seen before, and discussed in great detail on the forum. When I looked at the captions, however, two of them struck me:

1. memorabilia from the cult sci-fi comedy Red Dwarf, including a picture montage with cast members and personal messages to "Jo and Greg".

2. There were obvious signs of police attempts to gather DNA evidence, with red dots and dust residue showing where detectives had found fingerprints.

How did the journalist know about these fingerprints? Whose were they? The jury was not told about any fingerprints.

Can you view these pictures on this link, as I can - or are they missing, blocked by your ip address?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/picturegalleries/uknews/8822613/Inside-the-flat-where-Joanna-Yeates-was-killed-by-Vincent-Tabak.html

Why were the killer's DNA and fingerprints not found on Joanna's neck?
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