http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=8060.msg496375#msg496375That post, that post that CJ is telling us important information, is massive....
Even if we want to argue the day, even if we want to say that Dr Vincent Tabak lied on the stand and the event was Saturday 18th December 2010......
CJ may be mistaken on the day also, But.... What you cannot take away from CJ's statement is he had a conversation with Dr Vincent Tabak.... The time of this conversation is vital.... And for more than one reason...
I for arguments sake assumed that it had to be when Dr Vincent Tabak arrived home from work, making CJ being at the gym a 2 hour experience.... But that isn't likely....
At trail I believe that Dr Vincent Tabak went outside to take pictures of the snow.... dirty snow apparently and didn't end up taking pictures....
He had left his flat to see if he could take pictures of the snow, the court heard, but did not do so because the snow "was dirty".
So we have CJ, confirming that there is snow on the ground...
We have Dr Vincent Tabak talking of dirty snow.... and we have a time of around 8:00 o'clock when snowfall stopped....
So maybe CJ, left for the gym nearer 8:00pm rather than 7:00pm..... And that is crucial...
We know from the Leveson he returned around 9:00pm, so Did CJ see Dr Vincent Tabak when Dr Vincent Tabak either returned or set of to take images of the snow??
CJ doesn't tell us in which direction Dr Vincent Tabak is going... arriving or leaving... important pieces of information....
The reason I am being a stickler about said times is I believe they are vital..... The would give us a more accurate time line, but there's something I hadn't thought of before......
What was Dr Vincent Tabak wearing???
CJ, is witness to the clothing that Dr Vincent Tabak was wearing that evening.... He can see his trousers,shoes, coat, and maybe the shirt underneath.... Did Dr Vincent Tabak have his coat on.... Did Dr Vincent Tabak have his coat opened.... Did he wear gloves or a hat.... what was Dr Vincent Tabak's attire like that evening when CJ had a conversation with him???
These are most important details.... Because if we are to believe that a violent struggle happened and Joanna yeates received 43 injuries in this fight for her life, then what Dr Vincent Tabak was wearing, is crucial,...
By the time we see any images of Dr Vincent Tabak on the 17th December 2010 at Asda supermarket in Bedminster, we can clealy see what colour trousers, he is wearing, we can see his shoes, we can see his black coat and we can see his red shirt.....
Now..... This is after said attack on Joanna Yeates..... CJ's vital witness testimony was needed at trial.... he could tell us what Dr Vincent Tabak had worn that evening, we could then see for ourselves whether or not Dr Vincent Tabak had changed his clothing before he went to Asda, getting rid of any evidence on said clothing.... A live witness who could tell us what he said to Dr Vincent Tabak and what Dr Vincent Tabak said to him.... A live witness who should be able to describe what items of clothing he saw the defendant wearing that evening....
But he is not a witness at trial apparently.... He has not divulged whether or not Dr Vincent Tabak changed his clothes to hide his crime.... There is no evidence on the clothing we can see of Dr Vincent Tabak at ASDA... so where is all this blood?? From this violent attack, he must have got some on himself... he can't avoid gravity....
So why wasn't CJ at trial.... Why wasn't more made of what Dr Vincent Tabak was wearing that evening?? Because Dr Vincent Tabak had apparently spent an hour in his flat before going to ASDA, a time when he could have showered and changed his clothing....
We have a witness whom has not only seen Dr Vincent Tabak on Canygne Road , but has conversed with Dr Vincent Tabak on Canygne Road, a witness ho knows the defendant, a witness, who is the defendants landlord.....
So what can CJ tell us of what he saw, that evening, he may have been vague about what he apparently heard or saw on his return from the gym, but he obviously remembers the conversation he had with Dr Vincent Tabak....
here is something else to ponder, If CJ is vague and unsure about what he heard or saw at the gate and Colin Port tells us CJ had seen people at the gate, and that CJ, must be mistaken, then does that not make questioning when CJ saw Dr Vincent Tabak...
Could that not have been when he RETURNED from the GYM instead of leaving?? He has made genuine errors as has been shown in The Leveson Report, so is CJ mistaken and he saw Dr vincent Tabak on Canygne Road on his return from the gym....
CJ doesn't mention in his Leveson statement that he has seen anyone on Canygne Road, he doesn't mention that he saw Dr Vincent Tabak....
Bringing me to the conclusion that the people that CJ possibly saw at the gate, being Dr Vincent Tabak and Tanja Morson,... Joanna Yeates may or may not have been with them... I am not saying she was...
But CJ.. has furnished us with 2 pieces of evidence... He tells us at the Leveson he thinks it was Friday.... But by saying thinks it was he is not committing himself to a said day.....
But using the information from the program and DCI Phil Jones, using the information from trial and using CJ's statements from programs and the Leveson... I think I have a clearer picture...
CJ... must be talking of Saturday 18th December 2010... I realistically cannot see it being any other day.... Evidence we have is the snow..... The snow is dirty... meaning people have trodden about said snow....
CJ clearly indicate that he by chance has come across Dr Vincent Tabak, whom is talking about how beautiful things are with the snow... CJ, is telling us he is going to the gym.... But is he.... If he witness, people at the gate, and these people have been kept secret, there needs to be a reason for these peoples identity to be kept secret....
As I have stated, they should have been witness's if not suspects....
So I conclude the people at the gate are Dr Vincent Tabak and Tanja Morson, and that is the reason we do not know of there identity....
Because CJ is saying that at the time they believe Joanna Yeates was Murdered, Dr Vnicent Tabak is on Canygne Road with another witness putting him there.....
The people at the gate.... one of them has to be Dr Vincent Tabak... It's the same event.... CJ doesn't speak of a seperate event...
CJ speaking again at: 28:48 of the video....
Vincent Tabak helped me move the car that morning, erm, becawse, there was snow on the drive, and I need some help, in the car being pushed up.. erm, the slight incline, from the parking area onto the main part of the drive,, so that I could get the car out
bare that in mind... That statement on video of CJ's..
Leveson
l. This was that one evening, which
might have been Friday 17 December 2010, as I was coming back from the gym at
about 9pm, I had parked my car on the road and was just walking through the gates of
the main driveway, when I became aware of what sounded like two or perhaps three
people leaving by the side gate on the other side of the house which I could not see as
there is a hedge hi between and it was dark, I duly telephoned the police and relayed
this.
Ok... So when did CJ move his car onto the drive?? Dr Vincent Tabak stating that CJ's car had changed position doesn't therefore sound too far fetched.......
But lets not point fingers..... Because we need the events to be correct.....
If CJ, tells us he has seen 2/3 people at the gate.... he has spoken to Dr Vincent Tabak, Dr Vincent Tabak is talking about snow, doesn't this add to the likely hood that CJ is talking about the day being Saturday,??.... but that the people he saw, and not only saw but obviously spoke to is Dr Vincent Tabak and who ever accompanied him....
You either have to say that CJ is lying to the Leveson that he parked his car on the road after the gym, and Dr Vincent Tabak witnessed and noticed said car had changed position..... Or, CJ did indeed get his days mixed up and his car of course, was on the drive of the morning of Saturday 18th December 2010 and on the evening of Saturday 18th 2010, is when he parked his car on the road after he had been to the gym, because , he had had difficulty that morning moving his car off the drive.... making complete sense as to why car is on road, and CJ saying he left it there quite true....
You then have to ask what relevance the ASDA video has?? It has NO time stamp upon it but the date of the 17th December 2010 is there for all to see....
* Saturday morning 18th December Dr Vincent Tabak helps CJ move his car from snowy parking space onto main
part of the drive at Canygne Road.....
* When leaving for the gym CJ comes across Dr Vincent Tabak ( this has to be Saturday 18th December 2010)
* When returning from the gym at 9:00pm CJ parks his car on the road.....( obviously, he has already told us the
state of the drive,... so again this has to be Saturday 18th December 2010... he tells us at the Leveson it might
have been Friday, he doesn't say it was Friday!)
* He notices people at the gate, whether he heard or saw depends on what you want to believe, but.. that has to be
Saturday 18th December 2010 also.....only follows)
* He converses with Dr Vincent Tabak as he has demonstrated..... in said program.... That too has to be Saturday
18th December 2010...
* The only problem now is the time... if CJ is not sure of the day..... did he Dr Vincent Tabak when he returned from
the gym, putting Dr Vincent Tabak on Canygne road in the snow at 9:00pm on Saturday 18th December 2010..
taking photo's, meaning it is a extremely great possibility that CJ, saw Dr Vincent Tabak at the small gate, him
then being one of the 2/3 people whom CJ: saw/heard!!!
So who was Dr Vincent Tabak with?? that is the important piece of information..... We have Kingdon telling us he heard a scream/ cry out of someone saying "help me" mid morning on Saturday 18th December 2010, he lived in the houses directly behind Joanna yeates bedroom window....
If we go with what I am proposing, then, Saturday 18th December 2010 has to be the day, there is no two ways about it.... But what of Dr Vincent Tabak...??
Is this where I question his guilt?? is this where I wonder what is true... Is this where I question how he is actually responsible....
If Dr Vincent Tabak on his own killed Joanna Yeates, one would say the story on the stand sort of explains it... But thats not good enough.... Has he been charged under Joint Enterprise??? That has to be the most likely way he was charged, because he has other people with him at a vital time... Meaning he must have had assistance in moving a body that he alone could not carry....
So who else did CJ witness at the gate??
Did Dr Vincent Tabak just assist someone, making him just as guilty and culpable under this law?? Did he knowingly assist??
Or is he completely Innocent of all charges levelled against him, as I have always contended based on what I have know of the case???
If the body is place on Longwood Lane at sometime on Saturday 18th December 2010, then that is a more likely prospect seeing as said snow is already there to cover said body up..... making her less visible... Then the image of Dr Vincent Tabak in his car on park Street on the 18th December 2010 would make sense, as they say he was driving around looking for a place to dispose of a body....
Is Dr Vincent Tabak involved up and to the point of getting rid of said body.... Does he really know who killed Joanna Yeates and has become enbroiled in this saga for some unknown reason.... Or as I have stated all along completely Innocent of this crime....
Who is lying about this case.... Well we know for a fact that Dr Vincent Tabak is lying which ever way you want to look at it.... The reason he is lying is unclear.....
But if CJ, is wholly Innocent as has been stated, and CJ is telling us information that he saw Dr Vincent Tabak on the evening Joanna Yeates ha been killed, do we now believe that Joanna Yeates was either killed on the 17th December 2010 or killed on the 18th December 2010?? With Kingdon's statement to maybe support that someone was having difficulty mid morning n Saturday 18th December 2010??
They have never had an exact time and day of death of Joanna Yeates.... they go from the story on the stand told by Dr Vincent Tabak.....
but if we know take into account CJ's statement... Was Joanna Yeates killed on Saturday 18th December 2010??
It seems more likely, she could even have been removed from her home, on Saturday 18th December 2010 mid morning... making her flat not the scene of Crime... Lets not forget her parents believed she had been abducted.... And it is only Kingdons statement that gives us an indication she may have been abducted....
Therefore, she may have arrived home on Friday 17th December 2010... she may have left her own belongings in the flat,.. but someone else closed the door... someone else, removed her from her flat and it's possible she was alive when she left said flat....
So what is the truth of The Murder of Joanna Yeates ??? And who was really involved with her death???
But one last thing... CJ says:
Joanna Yeates’ murder and my arrest
6. As I have said, Ms Yeates went missing on Friday 17
December 2010. She was reported to the Police as
missing on Sunday 19 December 2010.
Now is he telling us that she went Missing on Friday 17th December 2010 as a fact.... or is he just stating what is now apparently known about, when she went Missing because of the trial.... ??
Don't let that date confuse you... Everything that is stated appears to point to the 18th December 2010 being the day that Joanna Yeates was last known to be alive.... CJ on his leveson statement could just be quoting from what is now know... But I cannot say that for sure....
the only way in which we can conclusively prove what day it was , is the CCTV of either CJ going to the Gym ...coming back from the gym, or at the gym... either way there must be footage of this....
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