The Defence Will State Their Case

[Caroline]

Thanks April, you can see why he chose this area there’s a quarry either side, he tried to lift her over the wall, if he had succeeded she may never have been found.

https://mapper.acme.com/?ll=51.43922,-2.66885&z=15&t=SL&marker0=51.43922,-2.66885,Location%20at%20which%20Joanna%20Yeates%27%20body%20was%20found

There was two ways to get to this area, either over the suspension bridge, or the Brunal way bridge. The suspension bridge had cctv but I don’t think they could make much out from it?
 

Great link, once you know whats beyond the fence, it's obvious why he chose that spot.

[Real justice]

Great link, once you know whats beyond the fence, it's obvious why he chose that spot.

Yes, looking at his testimony on the stand, he traveled across the Suspension bridge going, and the Brunel way coming back. 

His computer shows that he googled surveylance for the Suspension bridge, and then later he googled rubbish collection in York place Clifton Bristol, I think this is where he disposed of the sock/bycycle cover, York place is nearer the other bridge I think.

Another interesting piece of evidence and I’m suprised it’s not been picked up on or investigated. It’s reported he has been to America  LOS Angeles prior and he does a search for LOS Angeles murder case (interesting)
Defence Counsel: When did you leave for Los Angeles?
Tabak: I left for Los Angeles on 14 Nov and returned on 14 Dec 2010.

 Line 292 of the prosecution chart
Tabak Googled the words
‘manslaughter sentencing’
Then he went to Wikipedia website to search the words ‘manslaughter in English law murder in English law’ Tabak left work at 5.06pm \on 22 Dec 2010
and at home he Googled ‘Los Angeles murder case’

At Line 340 of the prosecution chart
Tabak Googled on 26 Dec 2010
‘Yeates’
At 3.00 pm he search the Telegraph Newspaper online At 3:43 pm he searched online global newspapers
At 3.45 pm he searched the words
‘Suspension bridge police footage’


AtTabak Googled the words
‘Rubbish collection York Place Clifton Bristol’ ‘Jo Yeates rubbish’


This was after numerous searches for rubbish collection, all of a sudden he puts a name to a street?

[Myster]

Further to RJ's location reference, perhaps a clearer Google Maps version...

https://www.google.com/maps/place/51%C2%B026'21.2%22N+2%C2%B040'07.9%22W/@51.4369763,-2.6688199,294a,35y,39.37t/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x0:0x0!8m2!3d51.43922!4d-2.66885

The quarry is located on both sides of Longwood Lane and its maintenance road appears to pass under it from SW to NE.

Entrance to the quarry in Google Street View...

https://www.google.com/maps/@51.4384975,-2.6682751,3a,75y,298.98h,78.87t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1srVbcx_gKiT490xR-PQuOwg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

... and the location further north where Joanna Yeates' body was found on the left (western) side of Longwood Lane ...

https://www.google.com/maps/@51.4391094,-2.6687508,3a,50.3y,316.08h,78.06t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s7GNCZL6M_TdB9-r1bQYrHA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

Article on the dog walker who found Joanna Yeates...

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/8826662/Joanna-Yeates-trial-snow-covered-body-found-by-dog-walker.html

Vincent Tabak's possible travel route to and from Longwood Lane (red pointer), passing over the Clifton Suspension Bridge and the Brunel Way Bridge, i.e. the next bridge upriver to the south-east but not indicated...

https://www.google.com/maps/place/51%C2%B026'21.2%22N+2%C2%B040'07.9%22W/@51.4201484,-2.6470982,3406a,35y,38.7t/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x0:0x0!8m2!3d51.43922!4d-2.66885

[Real justice]

Further to RJ's location reference, perhaps a clearer Google Maps version...

https://www.google.com/maps/place/51%C2%B026'21.2%22N+2%C2%B040'07.9%22W/@51.4369763,-2.6688199,294a,35y,39.37t/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x0:0x0!8m2!3d51.43922!4d-2.66885

The quarry is located on both sides of Longwood Lane and its maintenance road appears to pass under it from SW to NE.

Entrance to the quarry in Google Street View...

https://www.google.com/maps/@51.4384975,-2.6682751,3a,75y,298.98h,78.87t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1srVbcx_gKiT490xR-PQuOwg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

... and the location further north where Joanna Yeates' body was found on the left (western) side of Longwood Lane ...

https://www.google.com/maps/@51.4391094,-2.6687508,3a,50.3y,316.08h,78.06t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s7GNCZL6M_TdB9-r1bQYrHA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

Article on the dog walker who found Joanna Yeates...

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/8826662/Joanna-Yeates-trial-snow-covered-body-found-by-dog-walker.html

Vincent Tabak's possible travel route to and from Longwood Lane (red pointer), passing over the Clifton Suspension Bridge and the Brunel Way Bridge, i.e. the next bridge upriver to the south-east but not indicated...

https://www.google.com/maps/place/51%C2%B026'21.2%22N+2%C2%B040'07.9%22W/@51.4201484,-2.6470982,3406a,35y,38.7t/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x0:0x0!8m2!3d51.43922!4d-2.66885

Thanks for that Myster, how awful for fhe dog walkers that found her, I can’t believe the posters on here that believe either it never happened or some sort of a cover up, the only cover up was by him, Vincent Tabak, till he got caught.

This map shows the Bristol Triangle, popular for its bars ect.

https://mapper.acme.com/?ll=51.45991,-2.62372&z=15&t=SL&marker0=51.45991,-2.62372,Home%20-%2044%20Canynge%20Road%2C%20Bristol

A) Tesco
C)This is the flat
D)waitrose
E) The Ram pub


It’s plain to see Myster with your Google road version of Longwood Lane,  that there are no pavements either side, that’s why it wasn’t frequented by pedestrians (walkers) and why it laid hidden for days.

[mrswah]

Thanks for that Myster, how awful for fhe dog walkers that found her, I can’t believe the posters on here that believe either it never happened or some sort of a cover up, the only cover up was by him, Vincent Tabak, till he got caught.

This map shows the Bristol Triangle, popular for its bars ect.

https://mapper.acme.com/?ll=51.45991,-2.62372&z=15&t=SL&marker0=51.45991,-2.62372,Home%20-%2044%20Canynge%20Road%2C%20Bristol

A) Tesco
C)This is the flat
D)waitrose
E) The Ram pub


It’s plain to see Myster with your Google road version of Longwood Lane,  that there are no pavements either side, that’s why it wasn’t frequented by pedestrians (walkers) and why it laid hidden for days.

Yes, thanks Myster. Excellent links.


I have been to Longwood Lane. No pavements, as you say. There are not many pedestrians, but there can be a fair amount of traffic. I have a dog, and no way would I walk her on the side of the road where (it is said that) Joanna was found, as it is far too dangerous (IMO). However, on the opposite side of the road, there is a car park, and a wood----good dog walking area. 


For this reason, I have always wondered whether Joanna was found on the opposite side. No doubt, you will all be raising your eyebrows and sighing, in  my absence!!!



Whoever killed Joanna, whether VT or somebody else, must have known in advance where to dump the body, and, IMO, would have planned to put it over the wall. If VT was the killer, there would have been no need for him to google Longwood Lane for this reason-----all my opinion, of course.

[Real justice]

Yes, thanks Myster. Excellent links.


I have been to Longwood Lane. No pavements, as you say. There are not many pedestrians, but there can be a fair amount of traffic. I have a dog, and no way would I walk her on the side of the road where (it is said that) Joanna was found, as it is far too dangerous (IMO). However, on the opposite side of the road, there is a car park, and a wood----good dog walking area. 


For this reason, I have always wondered whether Joanna was found on the opposite side. No doubt, you will all be raising your eyebrows and sighing, in  my absence!!!



Whoever killed Joanna, whether VT or somebody else, must have known in advance where to dump the body, and, IMO, would have planned to put it over the wall. If VT was the killer, there would have been no need for him to google Longwood Lane for this reason-----all my opinion, of course.

Thanks for that mrswah, no raised eyebrows from me ha ha.  I’ve not been to that area I’ve walked over the Suspension bridge and been underneath,  I walked the dog on the grassy area around the Suspension bridge before going over. We have stopped at your beautiful area on the Baltic Wharf on numerous occasions, catching the ferry or walking to town centre.

I don’t think there is any doubt that Tabak did not google Longwood Lane,

The police analyst gave evidence on Wednesday 19 October and claimed that the following (partly set out below in blue) is the result of her analysis of the metadata from Buro Happold’s computers and Tabak’s laptops at Flat 2. Prosecuting counsel related to the witness and she confirmed that her analysis shows that Tabak researched ‘police’, ‘missing persons’, ‘recycling’, etc.
The jury were told that some webpages couldn’t now be recovered as they had been changed but that some webpages had not changed, and so the prosecution showed films of some pages that had not been changed.
The jury looked at pages that have not been changed, allegedly (as the defence did not dispute (by defence forensic analysis or otherwise) any of the police computer evidence whatsoever.

So the defence forensic analysis would have checked these out.  Who knows what goes on in the mind of a Murderer, mrswah, they are outside the realms of normality anyway, once the reality kicked in with him and the consequences he faced, all he was bothered about was trying to stay one step ahead and prepare himself, virtually all his computer checks both at home and work showed this. He said he didn’t know the area and he drove towards the airport, probably passed Longwood Lane and seen it was a quarry and thought it would be ideal to hide the body, he couldn’t lift the body over the wall so he covered her with leaves and I hoped the snow would continue.  Two days later he checks the area on his computer, could be looking for references, alibi’s, anything to give him more knowledge if he ever was questioned?
.

[Real justice]

like I said mrswah, survival with no empathy would be his only thoughts.

 He scoured the internet for clues to how he could get off the hook before and after her snow-covered body was found by dog walkers on Christmas Day.

It is believed he may even have been getting sexual satisfaction from looking up pictures of Miss Yeates.

Detectives who recovered his laptops found he was looking at pornographic websites within seconds of looking at pages surrounding the inquiry into the death of Miss Yeates.

[mrswah]

Thanks for that mrswah, no raised eyebrows from me ha ha.  I’ve not been to that area I’ve walked over the Suspension bridge and been underneath,  I walked the dog on the grassy area around the Suspension bridge before going over. We have stopped at your beautiful area on the Baltic Wharf on numerous occasions, catching the ferry or walking to town centre.

I don’t think there is any doubt that Tabak did not google Longwood Lane,

The police analyst gave evidence on Wednesday 19 October and claimed that the following (partly set out below in blue) is the result of her analysis of the metadata from Buro Happold’s computers and Tabak’s laptops at Flat 2. Prosecuting counsel related to the witness and she confirmed that her analysis shows that Tabak researched ‘police’, ‘missing persons’, ‘recycling’, etc.
The jury were told that some webpages couldn’t now be recovered as they had been changed but that some webpages had not changed, and so the prosecution showed films of some pages that had not been changed.
The jury looked at pages that have not been changed, allegedly (as the defence did not dispute (by defence forensic analysis or otherwise) any of the police computer evidence whatsoever.

So the defence forensic analysis would have checked these out.  Who knows what goes on in the mind of a Murderer, mrswah, they are outside the realms of normality anyway, once the reality kicked in with him and the consequences he faced, all he was bothered about was trying to stay one step ahead and prepare himself, virtually all his computer checks both at home and work showed this. He said he didn’t know the area and he drove towards the airport, probably passed Longwood Lane and seen it was a quarry and thought it would be ideal to hide the body, he couldn’t lift the body over the wall so he covered her with leaves and I hoped the snow would continue.  Two days later he checks the area on his computer, could be looking for references, alibi’s, anything to give him more knowledge if he ever was questioned?
.

Sorry to sound ignorant, but what's the "Baltic Wharf"??

[mrswah]

Oh, and RJ, please could you include links. Many thanks!

[Caroline]

Oh, and RJ, please could you include links. Many thanks!

http://www.balticwharfbristol.co.uk/

[Real justice]

http://www.balticwharfbristol.co.uk/

Thanks Caroline

We used to stop here mrswah, sometimes on our way to Cornwall or for a holiday, it was the most popular CC site so bookings had to be made early.  Outside the main gates you could see the flats they used to film Only Fools and Horses and just down the road was the pub they shot the filming when Del Boy fell through the bar when he was chatting with Trigger.  Brunel SS Great Britain is near bye.  You might know it better as Spike Island.

https://www.caravanclub.co.uk/club-sites/england/southern-england/bristol/baltic-wharf-caravan-club-site/

https://www.caravanclub.co.uk/club-sites/england/southern-england/bristol/baltic-wharf-caravan-club-site/

[Caroline]

Thanks Caroline

We used to stop here mrswah, sometimes on our way to Cornwall or for a holiday, it was the most popular CC site so bookings had to be made early.  Outside the main gates you could see the flats they used to film Only Fools and Horses and just down the road was the pub they shot the filming when Del Boy fell through the bar when he was chatting with Trigger.  Brunel SS Great Britain is near bye.  You might know it better as Spike Island.

https://www.caravanclub.co.uk/club-sites/england/southern-england/bristol/baltic-wharf-caravan-club-site/

https://www.caravanclub.co.uk/club-sites/england/southern-england/bristol/baltic-wharf-caravan-club-site/

I never knew OFAH was made in Bristol (the outside anyway) - cheers for that RJ! 

[mrswah]

I never knew OFAH was made in Bristol (the outside anyway) - cheers for that RJ! 

I didn't know that either!  I liked OFAH!  Thanks for the info.

[Real justice]

I never knew OFAH was made in Bristol (the outside anyway) - cheers for that RJ! 

I think they changed from London to Bristol so far through the series Caroline, we caught the open top tour bus outside the park gates and they gave all the information, they took us past the studios that made Wallace and Grommit as well.  Love Bristol and the close proximity to Wales the coast, Bath and Cheddar Gorge. 

https://britmovietours.com/bookings/only-fools-and-horses-tour-of-locations/

[Caroline]

I didn't know that either!  I liked OFAH!  Thanks for the info.

I would be suspicious of anyone who didn't